Orlando Nightclub Massacre

a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

Are you confusing the interception of the Hollwood gay parade potential attacker ?

originally posted by: Timely
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

Are you confusing the interception of the Hollwood gay parade potential attacker ?

Maybe... it's been a long day. I should probably take a brain cleanser and sleep this off. lol

Once again why is guns even brought up into all this? A person who wants to commit evil acts will find a way no matter what. All we need to do is look at 911 where guns were not even a part of it, and it didn't stop them in the least.

originally posted by: Timely
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

Are you confusing the interception of the Hollwood gay parade potential attacker ?

It was said but has since been refuted and I was not aware

Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer says at first officers mistakenly thought the gunman had strapped explosives to the dead victims and that the club was booby-trapped. A bomb robot sent back images of a battery part next to a body.

abcnews.go.com...

a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

the reason this guy was not arrested is because thoughts are not crimes. there are plenty of gangsters, mob members, and people with terrorist support that cannot be arrested. thats why there are no fly lists, thats why they are being watched and not in prison. we have to keep a balance between following our own laws and keeping people safe. unfortunately our laws sometimes fail us and complete safety is impossible.

Here's the next idea. ISIS claims responsibility because this guy was abandoned by his wife after she was rescued by her family because of his abusive behavior.

So, Islam isn't really a factor here. Neither is this guy's supposed dedication to ISIS, since he snapped after a co-dependent emotional snub.

Could it be that the entire ISIS movement is driven by co-dependent emotional snubs which drove these guys to show how badass they are by engaging in combat to attract other women after their love interests abandoned them? ...Since ISIS has accepted responsibility for a killing that was really brooding, lingering anger that occured after abandonment.

Reminds me of a book that says that men are trying to demonstrate the cave man within to have confidence in themselves and demonstrate worth to women. Can't remember the name of that book right now.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

the reason this guy was not arrested is because thoughts are not crimes. there are plenty of gangsters, mob members, and people with terrorist support that cannot be arrested. thats why there are no fly lists, thats why they are being watched and not in prison. we have to keep a balance between following our own laws and keeping people safe. unfortunately our laws sometimes fail us and complete safety is impossible.

Maybe I am just cynical but I believe that the law fails when a criminal is determined...

but is that really the law that could have prevented it?

Where there's a will there's a way? I hate using that saying in this context but I don't foresee it making a difference when someone wants to do harm to others. Just a personal opinion....again, my faith in any kind of humanity has been very little for quite some time.

Check this out. Victims carried TO the nightclub

originally posted by: vjr1113
unfortunately our laws sometimes fail us and complete safety is impossible.

That's where personal accountability and self-awareness come into play. If you are co-dependent and have an inability to move on after emotional snubs you have to accept that and deal with that, or see a counselor to help you deal with that instead of making it everyone else's problem like at Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook and Orlando.

originally posted by: scubagravy
Check this out. Victims carried TO the nightclub

Seems like a reach. Interesting but those victims all looked pretty well mobile and not really covered in that much blood (even the ones being carried) must have ran as far away as possible. Thats my take on it.

a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

he was being watched by the government, they knew about him, and they weren't allowed to take his guns away. it is illegal. would have he still killed someone, i dont know, if he wasnt allowed to have a gun from his work or from a store, i doubt he would have killed 50 people. the point is trying to prevent known terrorist supporters from having access to the weapons they need

One major news source says that this is being called "a domestic terror incident,"

So, now every time some guy gets dumped by his wife and starts brooding his anger and plegdes allegiance to ISIS it will be a terror incident related to religion instead of overblown co-depency.

Whatever.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

he was being watched by the government, they knew about him, and they weren't allowed to take his guns away. it is illegal. would have he still killed someone, i dont know, if he wasnt allowed to have a gun from his work or from a store, i doubt he would have killed 50 people. the point is trying to prevent known terrorist supporters from having access to the weapons they need

And I would like the same thing. The question is where is the line?

a reply to: scubagravy

thats interesting, that means he ran after them shooting or they ran after being shot. there were also talks of other possible suspects on the loose

a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

the line is terrorism for now. if this was political ie right or left, it would be a different story. but ties with isis or isil, is where the line should be drawn now. you support the islamic state, you are not trusted in a gun store or a job that provides guns.

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

he was being watched by the government, they knew about him, and they weren't allowed to take his guns away. it is illegal. would have he still killed someone, i dont know, if he wasnt allowed to have a gun from his work or from a store, i doubt he would have killed 50 people. the point is trying to prevent known terrorist supporters from having access to the weapons they need

And I would like the same thing. The question is where is the line?

There is no line. You buy the materials to make a bomb at Walmart and your corner convencience store. Flares. Propane tanks for outdoor cookouts and garage door openers. People can make their own radio transmitters from radio shack.

They can even make more complicated explosives like C4 with stuff you can buy the root ingredients of at a paint store or Lowes. They can make their own blasting caps.

originally posted by: scubagravy
Check this out. Victims carried TO the nightclub

Of course they were they set up a mobile triage in front of the building. Standard procedure for a mass shooting. They moved everyone away then once it's secured doctors from the hospital start a triage area to decide who needs immediate treatment and medical and who can be sent to other hospitals as a lower priority. So you had people who were wounded flee common sense really. And when the police had it secured they send people to the medics for aid.

SO now my question so what??

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

he was being watched by the government, they knew about him, and they weren't allowed to take his guns away. it is illegal. would have he still killed someone, i dont know, if he wasnt allowed to have a gun from his work or from a store, i doubt he would have killed 50 people. the point is trying to prevent known terrorist supporters from having access to the weapons they need

And I would like the same thing. The question is where is the line?

There is no line. You buy the materials to make a bomb at Walmart and your corner convencience store. Flares. Propane tanks for outdoor cookouts and garage door openers. People can make their own radio transmitters from radio shack.

They can even make more complicated explosives like C4 with stuff you can buy the root ingredients of at a paint store or Lowes. They can make their own blasting caps.

Precisely. There is no way to gauge what another human being is capable of.

a reply to: dragonridr

no need to be a fook-tard about it.

originally posted by: scubagravy
a reply to: dragonridr

no need to be a fook-tard about it.

I actually thought the response was clear and well thought out. Care to elaborate on your reaction?