State police swiping motorist debit, prepaid cards to seize money.

Police in Oklahoma are now able to seize money from motorists even if they don’t have physical cash on them – and even if those people are merely suspected of a crime. Using a new device called an ERAD, or Electronic Recovery and Access to Data machine, Oklahoma Highway Patrol officers can now swipe debit or prepaid cards if they suspect a driver of obtaining money contained in their bank accounts illegally.

We’re gonna look for different factors in the way that you’re acting,” Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent told Oklahoma News9.com. “We’re gonna look for if there’s a difference in your story. If there’s someway that we can prove that you’re falsifying information to us about your business.” If drivers can prove, to an officer’s satisfaction, that the cash is legally theirs, they can keep their money.

All of this without an arrest, charge or warrant – an unconstitutional procedure that strips citizens of due process and civil rights, says Oklahoma Senator Kyle Loveless.

“You have effectively a way of instantly seizing a digital account from a traffic stop,” Henderson said, according to OklahomaWatch.org. “That’s a capability I have never seen before.”

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WOW ...... now that is scary. Simply get pulled over by the police and after questioning you they can seize your plastic debit cards and take your money AND without your consent or PIN code.

If it was me I would not answer their questions because you do not have to. Learn your rights and learn to control what you tell the police because now it can backfire on you. AND if this is new to you about this...... well it isn't..... already police can confiscate any money and valuables on your body or inside your vehicle. Most people can not afford to fight back and attempt to get their funds back so the state keeps the funds.

Thank God I moved out of USA back in the 70's and maybe this year I will renounce my citizenship after paying the required fee.

In 2014, the State Department announced its intention to increase the fee for renunciation of U.S. citizenship by 422% from $450 to $2,350. This followed a fee increase of approximately 220% in 2013. The increase took effect in January 2015.

"If you can prove it belongs to you to our satisfaction then we'll let you keep it."

Lol wut?!? I'm pretty confident that's not how it's supposed to work. What a ridiculous thing to say about a ridiculous concept.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

This is government racketeering at it's finest......asset forfeiture and seizure by debit card ??

a reply to: DeathSlayer

This sounds highly illegal to me, and should easily be overturned (once a case makes it to the Supreme Court.) I guess this means you have to keep pay stubs, receipts, etc., for everything if you're going to travel through Oklahoma, unless of course you're willing to defend yourself with lethal force from anti-American armed robbers who can't be prosecuted.

Wow. Glad I don't live, or pass through there, ever. It sounds like a third world banana republic to me.

There are RFID wallets that prevent scanning/confiscating the contents of your wallet. I'll be getting one tomorrow. This is grossly unconstitutional and will not stand in Oklahoma for long.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

This is only for people carrying large sums of cash on hand.

If you are a law abiding innocent civilian then you will not have your cash stolen from you.

Again this is for people who are pulled over, aroused the cops suspicion, and they find cash in your hands upon searching your vehicle.

If you have more than a few hundred dollars on you they can, and will check your bank records for verification. You see the funny thing is people agree with this. Since nobody carries around large sums of cash it makes it very suspicious to an officer. Just won big at a casino? They do the taxes right then and there. Most of the time they never let you walk out with the cash. Depending on how much money is involved. Most of the time they just cut you a check for safety reasons.

This will only jack up prices of money laundering across all odds and ends. If anything it will make the underworld hurt just a little bit more in the long run. Higher risks means higher pay.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
"If you can prove it belongs to you to our satisfaction then we'll let you keep it."

Lol wut?!? I'm pretty confident that's not how it's supposed to work. What a ridiculous thing to say about a ridiculous concept.

This scares the hell out of me and I will never drive through Oklahoma anyway but what if this goes nationwide? Which it probably will.....

So now the Oklahoma state police can question you about your finances before issuing a ticket?

I recommend EVERYONE to go online and on Youtube and research on what to do when a police officer pulls you over. Learn what to say and what not to say.....it might save your bank account. So what next? Those who have overdraft accounts..... the police can overdraft your account by pulling out funds that you don't actually own?

USA is a fascism state......and it is only going to get worse....

a reply to: GiulXainx

Yea I think the problem comes from the "guilty till proven innocent" attitude they seem to have about it.

Last I checked, it's not up to a citizen to prove their innocence. Pretty sure the burden of proof is the other way around. And as somebody who once had an empty magazine (as in for a gun, not reading material) "confiscated" and then only after a little less than three months of attempting to get it back was told that it was "missing," I wouldn't have any more faith in getting my money back any easier.

Resident here....

Usually arent so bold, but there is a huge Meth problem, and of course I35 corridor is a massive shipping lane from our innocent neighbors south of the border.

I moved back here after 20 years in Hawaii and 3 Texas.

Some smaller towns still have the "good ol boy" systems in place. If youre not from around there, you'll get shafted for anything they can find.

a reply to: GiulXainx

This is only for people carrying large sums of cash on hand. If you are a law abiding innocent civilian then you will not have your cash stolen from you.

It DOESN'T MATTER if I'm carrying large somes of cash! It's MY damn money!
Maybe I'm going to pay cash for a vehicle.
The cops should be required to prove I'm engaging in illegal activity.

According to the idiot state patrol officer in the article, he can take your money. YOU have to prove that you're NOT doing something illegal. That's insane.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Its not enough to seize our cash without charges nor due process.

Now they can swipe our plastic?

It said debt cards, what about credit cards?

Land of the stupid, home of the slave.

Here is a Youtube video for your review of what to do and what not to do when being pulled over by the police.




This is even a better one:

a reply to: GiulXainx

This is only for people carrying large sums of cash on hand.

The amount of cash a citizen carries is none of the states business. I don't care if the guy has 10 million dollars in his passenger seat. If that money hasn't been reported stolen, it's not the cops business.

You see the funny thing is people agree with this.

Yeah, if they're ignorant, and don't understand they're being fleeced by their own state government, as well as having their belongings seized unlawfully.

Federal and state governments have really grown balls over the last several decades. The gloves are off, they're in your face, and the subjugation of the American people is on.

Sounds like a scheme that may also create a lot of debt, theft aside.

a reply to: GiulXainx

No.

They've been doing this in Tennessee for a while and the "privilege" gets abused all the time.

They're hoping to catch folks with a few hundred bucks on them or a nice car to plant drugs in so they can confiscate the whole rig.

The department gets the money they take so you can rest assured it's a free-for-all in some cases.

a reply to: whitewave

That's true, but I think they're talking about taking your card and "swiping" it as if you were making a purchase.

a reply to: Klassified

Will piggyback on your comment with this:

Some people will agree with damn near anything. Somebody, somewhere, will agree with anything. That in no way, shape, or form, should be used as a measuring stick as to how "right" something is.

How are they bypassing PIN protection?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

This is horsepucky at its finest.

Do they forget that we have the right to be secure in our possessions until we are charge, tried and convicted?

This will never hold up in court, unless this story is missing something.

I'm guess the ACLU won't even mess with it, though, unless it's shown to disproportionately affect minorities.