U.K Govt To Rush Through EU Vote Legislation

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: yorkshirelad

A high turn out will favour the Remain camp, but no, of course there is no conspiracy.

And I thought we were all made up. How do you possibly know that apart from what the media and Leave campaign say? If the government had said no, tough cookies, you left it too late, the Leave campaign would have gone into meltdown - sheesh, are all young people pro remain given that's it seems to be suggested that the late entries are mainly young people who have never registered to vote? What deduction do you make you your statement then that "A high turn out will favour the Remain camp"?

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: Maxatoria

I think three months notice was reasonable enough.

As I said, if you leave it to the last minute, you run the risk of something like this happening.

But don't the Chancellor and the PM and all the other Dads Army Remain Camp have the ability to predict the future and tell us all what's going to happen if we leave so wouldn't they have already determined what might happen last night? Exactly!

Well the so called big boys of Boris, Nigel and Gove seem to be able to predict with nothing to actually substantiate, and you post nothing in judgement of them that I see - same thing? Slightly pathetic, but not surprised.

Why would I post anything in judgement of the Vote Leave team when I agree with their sentiments and position. I want a sovereign self controlling and law defining UK and immigration/migration is and will continue to grow and whilst we are in the EU we cant stop it! If you wish for different then more fool you! Its pathetic wanting to be controlled and dictated to by a non democratic bunch of placed commissioners leading a federal EU from Brussels! Norway got it right (twice)!

So you want Norway, yes? Still got open movement within the EU, yes? Still has to comply with EU legislation, yes? Who's the fool?

I was referring to their economy! Because all that the Remain campaign waffle about is that and that's not the problem the UK people have, its Sovereignty, Control and Immigration. These are the things the UK people most care about unless you are a greedy B. Its more about quality of life, pride and self determination. Why would I be a fool. I am self made but not greedy with it! I have choices in life, which country I reside in (and currently its 3) do you? and I have never resided in a shoe box nor had such a narrow mentality. The British people want their country back and on the 23 June they will hopefullly get their wish. If not then those who voted remain will one day rue that decision.

So go and live in another country, I'm not sure if you would be missed. You didn't answer the question about Norway at all did you?

Are you Boris in disguise?

Whatever way I choose to vote on the 23rd, your voice, trust me, will be the last one that would ever have a chance of informing me. What do you mean by you have "never resided in a shoe box or had such a narrow mentality"? I think you may find that is where the leave campaign has a stronger hold, but you are too blinded to notice that aren't you?

If you have three passports, good for you, bye bye.

Yes I did. The only important thing about Norway is the big issue with the remain camp. They claim doom and gloom for the economy which is all speculation. Norway's economy has grown steadily since they first decided to not join and since the 2nd time they refused in 1994 their economy has grown even more. The simple point and reason I mentioned Norway is because it refutes the remains doom and gloom claims! And why should I go and live somewhere else permanently, although I may after the 23 June. I spend 6 months a year in UK and 4 months in Spain and 2 months in Asia. But that's my life choices. But my position is also inspired by the fact that I have 8 children (all British) and their welfare and long term interests are important to me! And they all have good jobs e.g. 2 are Surveyors, 1 Electronics Expert and some still at school. All are keen to vote OUT. My letters speak for me! So its hello because I am British born and bread and take pride in that fact, unlike the remain dad's army waffling camp! On that final note: I will now drop this argument because its spoiling the Op's thread.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: yorkshirelad

A high turn out will favour the Remain camp, but no, of course there is no conspiracy.

And I thought we were all made up. How do you possibly know that apart from what the media and Leave campaign say? If the government had said no, tough cookies, you left it too late, the Leave campaign would have gone into meltdown - sheesh, are all young people pro remain given that's it seems to be suggested that the late entries are mainly young people who have never registered to vote? What deduction do you make you your statement then that "A high turn out will favour the Remain camp"?

Ha ha, no, we will never be made up.

Only joking.

Okay, if there is a high turn out, and it is looking likely that it could be very high, which is great, because at least the democratic process is being engaged. If there is a high turn out it would be because of the youth vote.

We all know the blue rinse brigade vote, they are likely to vote out. The working population will vote, to a large degree, and this appears to be split currently, maybe favouring Remain.

If the youth vote the way it has been suggested in the media, they will swing it for Remain.

If you can't see that, then you are trolling me.

Looking thru the posts is an interesting read on opinions on the matter. Personally, I think democracies should require people to vote as does Australia. Support is essential and all should have to decide on the matter whether they what's at stake or not. My best,

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: yorkshirelad

A high turn out will favour the Remain camp, but no, of course there is no conspiracy.

And I thought we were all made up. How do you possibly know that apart from what the media and Leave campaign say? If the government had said no, tough cookies, you left it too late, the Leave campaign would have gone into meltdown - sheesh, are all young people pro remain given that's it seems to be suggested that the late entries are mainly young people who have never registered to vote? What deduction do you make you your statement then that "A high turn out will favour the Remain camp"?

Ha ha, no, we will never be made up.

Only joking.

Okay, if there is a high turn out, and it is looking likely that it could be very high, which is great, because at least the democratic process is being engaged. If there is a high turn out it would be because of the youth vote.

We all know the blue rinse brigade vote, they are likely to vote out. The working population will vote, to a large degree, and this appears to be split currently, maybe favouring Remain.

If the youth vote the way it has been suggested in the media, they will swing it for Remain.

If you can't see that, then you are trolling me.

Not trolling, the media sometimes suggests youth vote will be to remain, but I think that's a sweeping generalisation and would depend to a large extent on where the media were camped on any given day.

Like I said, and I'm glad we agree, the main thing is that people actually vote rather than see results and moan about it.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: Maxatoria

I think three months notice was reasonable enough.

As I said, if you leave it to the last minute, you run the risk of something like this happening.

But don't the Chancellor and the PM and all the other Dads Army Remain Camp have the ability to predict the future and tell us all what's going to happen if we leave so wouldn't they have already determined what might happen last night? Exactly!

Well the so called big boys of Boris, Nigel and Gove seem to be able to predict with nothing to actually substantiate, and you post nothing in judgement of them that I see - same thing? Slightly pathetic, but not surprised.

Why would I post anything in judgement of the Vote Leave team when I agree with their sentiments and position. I want a sovereign self controlling and law defining UK and immigration/migration is and will continue to grow and whilst we are in the EU we cant stop it! If you wish for different then more fool you! Its pathetic wanting to be controlled and dictated to by a non democratic bunch of placed commissioners leading a federal EU from Brussels! Norway got it right (twice)!

So you want Norway, yes? Still got open movement within the EU, yes? Still has to comply with EU legislation, yes? Who's the fool?

I was referring to their economy! Because all that the Remain campaign waffle about is that and that's not the problem the UK people have, its Sovereignty, Control and Immigration. These are the things the UK people most care about unless you are a greedy B. Its more about quality of life, pride and self determination. Why would I be a fool. I am self made but not greedy with it! I have choices in life, which country I reside in (and currently its 3) do you? and I have never resided in a shoe box nor had such a narrow mentality. The British people want their country back and on the 23 June they will hopefullly get their wish. If not then those who voted remain will one day rue that decision.

So go and live in another country, I'm not sure if you would be missed. You didn't answer the question about Norway at all did you?

Are you Boris in disguise?

Whatever way I choose to vote on the 23rd, your voice, trust me, will be the last one that would ever have a chance of informing me. What do you mean by you have "never resided in a shoe box or had such a narrow mentality"? I think you may find that is where the leave campaign has a stronger hold, but you are too blinded to notice that aren't you?

If you have three passports, good for you, bye bye.

Yes I did. The only important thing about Norway is the big issue with the remain camp. They claim doom and gloom for the economy which is all speculation. Norway's economy has grown steadily since they first decided to not join and since the 2nd time they refused in 1994 their economy has grown even more. The simple point and reason I mentioned Norway is because it refutes the remains doom and gloom claims! And why should I go and live somewhere else permanently, although I may after the 23 June. I spend 6 months a year in UK and 4 months in Spain and 2 months in Asia. But that's my life choices. But my position is also inspired by the fact that I have 8 children (all British) and their welfare and long term interests are important to me! And they all have good jobs e.g. 2 are Surveyors, 1 Electronics Expert and some still at school. All are keen to vote OUT. My letters speak for me! So its hello because I am British born and bread and take pride in that fact, unlike the remain dad's army waffling camp! On that final note: I will now drop this argument because its spoiling the Op's thread.

I honestly couldn't care less. Not quite sure why you felt the need to say all that.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Just registered today (I leave everything to the last minute).

Really glad because I thought I'd blown it; I'd resigned myself to the fact I had missed the deadline for registering, so hats off to the government.

I'm not young by the way, and I shall be voting leave.

Leave EU founder and businessman Arron Banks has said he is considering launching a legal challenge to the governments decision to extend the deadline and is seeking judicial review , he's called the decision "unconstitutional".

In an interview for BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Banks, an insurance millionaire, told political correspondent Ross Hawkins: "We've got lawyers that are looking at it at the moment. "They are tending to say it's unconstitutional because once you've set the rules you can't really change it halfway through, and Parliament really shouldn't be doing this."

In a statement Mr Banks said: "We believe it is unconstitutional at best and have been advised that with legitimate cause we could challenge this extension. "We are therefore considering all available legal options with our legal team, with a view to potentially launching a judicial review now and after the outcome of the referendum on 23 June."
www.bbc.co.uk...

I hope he does , Cameron's desperation to save his own political skin is moving us into dirty waters.

originally posted by: gortex
Leave EU founder and businessman Arron Banks has said he is considering launching a legal challenge to the governments decision to extend the deadline and is seeking judicial review , he's called the decision "unconstitutional".

In an interview for BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Banks, an insurance millionaire, told political correspondent Ross Hawkins: "We've got lawyers that are looking at it at the moment. "They are tending to say it's unconstitutional because once you've set the rules you can't really change it halfway through, and Parliament really shouldn't be doing this."

In a statement Mr Banks said: "We believe it is unconstitutional at best and have been advised that with legitimate cause we could challenge this extension. "We are therefore considering all available legal options with our legal team, with a view to potentially launching a judicial review now and after the outcome of the referendum on 23 June."
www.bbc.co.uk...

I hope he does , Cameron's desperation to save his own political skin is moving us into dirty waters.

Well, Michael Gove was all for it last night, does he count as a leave campaigner? What's up, you think people who couldn't be bothered to register are those that don't want to vote leave?

Personally I wouldn't have extended, but that's not my choice or yours. The government have submitted the request to see if it will be legally honoured, that request may be overturned.

You really do sound a little desperate, are you having a bad week? Not enough to moan at Obama choosing his daughters graduation day over attending Ali's funeral to get that irritation out?

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Of course a Government spokesman talked about democracy and that everyone should get the opportunity to vote on this historic referendum. I agree that they should, but if people could not be bothered to register until the 11th hour, hard luck I say.

I disagree.
My 18 year old son assumed incorrectly that he had automatically been registered when he reached voting age.
I asked him the day it was the final chance and he rushed to do it in the evening and the website crashed, he was gutted, but then the government extended it and he did it last night.

He is voting leave so be pleased for that extra vote, and who knows how many other people around the UK.
I look at it from a purely public service perspective. The government gave us until that specific time and date to register online. The government failed to provide the service so the extension is reasonable in my opinion.

My son tells me that the overwhelming majority of his friends are voting leave, we could be surprised.
I certainly hope so at least.

a reply to: uncommitted

What's up, you think people who couldn't be bothered to register are those that don't want to vote leave?

Some of them yes ,but that's not the point.

You really do sound a little desperate, are you having a bad week?

Not desperate just want to see both sides follow the rules , the cut off point is just that.
Your other dig is pathetic , I will state my belief as I please.

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Of course a Government spokesman talked about democracy and that everyone should get the opportunity to vote on this historic referendum. I agree that they should, but if people could not be bothered to register until the 11th hour, hard luck I say.

I disagree.
My 18 year old son assumed incorrectly that he had automatically been registered when he reached voting age.
I asked him the day it was the final chance and he rushed to do it in the evening and the website crashed, he was gutted, but then the government extended it and he did it last night.

He is voting leave so be pleased for that extra vote, and who knows how many other people around the UK.
I look at it from a purely public service perspective. The government gave us until that specific time and date to register online. The government failed to provide the service so the extension is reasonable in my opinion.

My son tells me that the overwhelming majority of his friends are voting leave, we could be surprised.
I certainly hope so at least.

Well I am surprised that you had not discussed this with your son prior to the last day.

I don't agree with the extension, regardless if those who left it too late are voting to leave or remain.

I work with a lot of young people in Construction training and discussions I have overheard, the majority are voting to remain. I can't and won't get into political discussions with them, so I won't be trying to persuade them to vote leave.

My own son, who is off to University in September is voting leave, but again a larger percentage of his peers are voting to remain.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Oh we'd discussed our intentions to vote for months I just casually asked him if he'd had his voting card before the deadline, also assuming he was registered. You want the boring reason to relieve you of surprise?
He's lived walking distance half the week with me and my ex-wife (and most trusted friend) since the age of two, he's always been registered at her address for everything though, school, doctor, blah.
She is particularly good at the administrative side of his life so I assumed she had his vote registration covered.

I checked with him before the deadline, I had assumed incorrectly, so he attempted to do so within the time limit the government decreed. The government failed to provide the service, it gave an extension which I believe to be morally/contractually correct.

You wanna ask questions was the website crash intentional then yep, this is ATS after all. But if the government failed to provide the service to facilitate registration before a set deadline, then the extension was arguably appropriate.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Slightly different slant, so do you want polling stations to shut their doors if there happens to still be a queue of people outside at 10pm?
Same thing fella, same thing.

a reply to: grainofsand

Would you be happy for the polling station to extend the opening for an additional 48 hours?

Listen, it's done now, but there is a legal challenge in the offing, but that will probably come to nothing. I meant no offence about leaving it late, just surprised. I wasn't looking for a reason why, everybody got a story to tell, chap.

a reply to: grainofsand

Not really , registration has been open for months polling is only one day.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Lol, I just like adding the human element to the story, you must know I ramble a bit by now.
We're voting the same so it's all good anyway, I would love to know exactly why those servers crashed though, crap decision making or something more conspiratorial.
I keep an open mind...but I'm glad my lad has his leave vote because of the extended deadline.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: grainofsand

Not really , registration has been open for months polling is only one day.

Yes really, everyone knows the date and deadline of the vote will be 10pm on the 23rd of June. Are you suggesting if people who are procrastinating on polling day and suddenly turn up at 9:55 should have the door slammed in their face at 10pm if the queue is still there?

Yes, it's the same thing, just a 24 hour deadline, not 3 months.

*Edit*
It's not even 24 hours, but my point and principle stands.

a reply to: grainofsand

Are you suggesting if people who are procrastinating on polling day and suddenly turn up at 9:55 should have the door slammed in their face at 10pm

No , everybody who has a vote should be allowed to vote , those that couldn't be bothered or didn't realise they needed to register didn't register for a reason.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: grainofsand

Are you suggesting if people who are procrastinating on polling day and suddenly turn up at 9:55 should have the door slammed in their face at 10pm

No , everybody who has a vote should be allowed to vote , those that couldn't be bothered or didn't realise they needed to register didn't register for a reason.

No, everyone was able to procrastinate about registering to vote up until midnight. The 'contract' was not met by the government regarding facilitation of the online service.
Local authorities provide a service for voting, if they are unable to fit all the people in before 10pm they stay open.
Argue the difference between the two deadlines set by government offering a service or facility related to democracy.

*Edit*
I consider the crashed servers as a digital queue where the digital doors were shut before the deadline on decision day.