Donald Trump Was Right: Mexico is sending it's people to America

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

You going to sit here and tell me that 2000 guns and not arresting members of the sinaloa cartel cause the entire problem that Mexico is having in it's country right now?

Why can't Mexico police it's own country why do we have to do it for them?

What other countries do you reccomend us policing?

Should we police the entire south and central America since that's all our fault too?

Hell lets educate their kids too.

Didn't watch the video yet, but we don't need Trump to say it's so. Other countries citizens have been fleeing to other nations in order to better themselves for eons. It's not a new concept and yes they send money back to their very large families. Emphasis on large, since the men seem fond of fathering umpteen children with multiple women. Let's be honest here. Thus, some of the family also come here.

I can't say as they have shown themselves to be model citizens, although I'm sure there are some who are. Big deal.

Are any of them currently destroying my life and/ or hurting my family ? Yes, I would say so. More than once.

Would America be a better place if they controlled who they let in? Possibly over time, but I'm afraid the damage has been done.


I'm an immigrant , not from Mexico, but it's true we came to Canada because of the opportunities. Not sending any money back though. Haven't brought in any drug cartels either.

We talk about an entire group of people and we use illegal in reference to them......Does that not mean anything at all? WE the people are as much to blame as our Government is. They don't enforce the laws we have regarding illegal immigrants & we don't vote them out. We have been invaded in silence.......if those 12 to 25 million illegals were Isis sleeper agents...we be screwed , blued & tattooed.

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originally posted by: onequestion
Setting up what strawman?

Are you reading this thread?

Do you know what a strawman is?

getting involved in what exactly

Training Los Zetas, protecting the Sinaloan cartel from mexican policing. You keep saying they should police themselves but the US went in and said you can't touch these guys.

a reply to: daskakik

www.aljazeera.com...

Some of the cartel's initial members were elite Mexican troops, trained in the early 1990s by America’s 7th Special Forces Group or "snake eaters" at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, a former US special operations commander has told Al Jazeera.

The Zetas were trained by our military personal when they were Mexican military BEFORE they became cartel members or formed the cartel.,

FYI

a reply to: onequestion

Old tricks.

I know ATS is no longer just a conspiracy site but that is the conspiracy theorist angle.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

FYI the information connecting the DEA and the Sinaloa Cartel is all information provided be El Universal, a Mexican Newspaper.

None of it has been confirmed by outside sources.

According to one of your links Business Insider

That has not been established, despite claims by Zambada-Niebla's lawyer and Stratfor's source. What El Universal's investigation and the newly published court documents reveal is that there was a strong correlation from 2005 and 2009 between the rise of the Sinaloa cartel and the DEA's relatively regular contact with a top Sinaloa lawyer.

You have an agenda to blame the US for all of the worlds problems. Im tired of the anti US sentiment.

a reply to: daskakik

Yeah sure.

a reply to: onequestion
You are not going to make people forget what the US has done in their countries by turning a blind eye and making excuses.

ETA: Just to keep it on topic. Either way it doesn't make Trump's words true that mexico sends people to the US. It isn't even really true that people are fleeing for their lives. I remember a member that was living in mexico, like a bunch of americans are, who pointed out that outside the hotspots mexico is pretty calm.

I'm thinking that this whole mess is more a psy op on the us citizens.

originally posted by: ker2010

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: upperhand12
I see a lot of hate for the Mexican people. Sure some of them are piece of #s. But come on, are all Americans angels? Here in Utah every where you look you will see a druggie and guess what race they are? On the other hand you tend to see most Mexicans working their ass off, where as most Americans are just lazy and want the easier jobs. That's why it drives me up the wall when you people say that Mexicans are taking your jobs, when you wouldn't want to have those jobs anyways!

Just remember, it's not just Mexicans that have criminals in the USA.

Well it's the Mexicans beating people up in the streets. Are you concerned about that hate?

You gotta understand the liberal logic. We have American citizens who murder and rape therefore its ok we have Illegals that come over and do the same thing.

You have that backwards.

Conservative logic is that rape and murder by citizens happens but they largely ignored it—until an immigrant does it, then all of a sudden it's a HUGE OMG big deal "the illegals are raping our women and children!" Because it sells the anti-immigrant brand.

That's one of the older propaganda techniques in our history: "The minorities will rape our women!"

a reply to: onequestion

You have an agenda to blame the US for all of the worlds problems. Im tired of the anti US sentiment.

I bet you were one of those people chanting "U-S-A, U-S-A, in front of Bush, weren't you?

Talk about (blind) nationalism...

a reply to: Liquesence

Yup thats me!

a reply to: TheBulk
Saw this video when it came out. Loved it. The wall just got ten feet higher.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: TheBulk

Well if a YouTube video says Trump is right then it must be true. Fun fact, more Mexicans are leaving the US then entering.

Are you quoting the administration's numbers that counts a deportation as 'every time someone is turned around at the border', even if they try to cross multiple times in one day?

a reply to: onequestion

You mean the same anti us sentiment you espouse when railing against our government?

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

You going to sit here and tell me that 2000 guns and not arresting members of the sinaloa cartel cause the entire problem that Mexico is having in it's country right now?

No, this is you using an appeal to extremes fallacy.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Oh what's this a strawman or ad hom or false equivalency or hyperbole...

I'm not anti US I'm pro fixing our government not blaming them for every single problem in the world.

originally posted by: onequestion
Oh what's this a strawman or ad hom or false equivalency or hyperbole...

I'm not anti US I'm pro fixing our government not blaming them for every single problem in the world.

Strawman. Nobody is blaming them for every single problem. You are the only one who keeps claiming that because it easy for you to defend that point, although nobody else has made it.

You bring it up so you can knock it right down.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Oh what's this a strawman or ad hom or false equivalency or hyperbole...

I'm not anti US I'm pro fixing our government not blaming them for every single problem in the world.

But i am not blaming them "for every single" problem, either. Those are your words, not mine.

I blame our government for what they ahve done. Nothing more, nothing less. When they do it to me, i call it out. When they do it to Mexico, i call it out. Same, same.

I don't magically think that the US government is benevolent on the global stage while at the same time thinking they are the devil incarnate at home.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

so who do we blame when its the US that is what is "going wrong"? You complain about how out of control your government is

It only seems like everything is our fault because we meddle in the affairs of everyone so much. What, do you think they spend $15bil/year on relief aid?

If the US would get out of their way, tourism would explode. As it stands, people are off put by the mass beheadings, and state department travel warnings. Imagine Mexico with a diverse economy, not fully reliant on oil and low value agricultural exports (at least, on the record).

seems to be a reasonable response to the hellhole that the US has made out of Mexico. We flooded them with guns and gauchos to protect our drugs coming up from central and south america, as well as Mexico itself.

To ask why Mexico doesn't share int he blame is the same as asking why Iraq or Afghanistan don't share in the blame for the state of their country.

We made a cesspool out of Latin America throughout the 80's. Before that, Mexico was a fairly nice country.

Your words not mine.