First female major party nomination in History: Congratulations Ladies!

If I might be permitted to poke my head out of my hole again to say...

... I don't celebrate her being the nominee either. I don't support her, won't vote for her personally, and disagree with a great many of her positions, words, and actions.

That said, it is possible to separate that from something altogether different, which I will celebrate and applaud: that society at large has for the first time seen fit to allow a woman to be nominated for the Presidency.

It's not about whether the candidate is a good choice herself. Someone else pointed out that Jesse Jackson shed tears of joy despite intensely disliking Obama. That's a good analogy. I intensely dislike Clinton's politics and character and will not vote for her, as stated. But that society has evolved at last fully from a time when no woman candidate - be it someone like Clinton, or someone infinitely better in its estimation - would be allowed to attain the nomination, to this, set apart from the person in question herself, is a wonderful and historic thing in and of itself in my opinion.

That doesn't mean its sufficient reason to vote for her mind you. I'll never vote someone into office just to set a historic precedent. Even if I agree with the precedent.

It's possible to hold a multifaceted opinion of an event. Nuance.

*Returns to hole*

Peace.

a reply to: AceWombat04

desert approaches hole..... knock knock knock.....knock knock knock....Ace, I just wanted to let you know that I liked your enlightened post. ..... desert turns to go back to ATS, but suddenly turns around..... Ace? Ace? Are there any more holes around here that I can direct people to for enlightenment?....Bye, Ace!....And, Peace.

You spineless weaklings make me sick.

Source How Dramatically Did Women’s Suffrage
Change the Size and Scope of Government?

It is not really surprising that this welfare state should breed a politics not of “justice” or “fairness” but of “compassion,” which contemporary liberalism has elevated into the most important civic virtue. Women tend to be more sentimental, more risk-averse and less competitive than men—yes, it’s Mars vs. Venus—and therefore are less inclined to be appreciative of free-market economics, in which there are losers as well as winners. College-educated women—the kind who attend Democratic conventions—are also more “permissive” and less “judgmental” on such issues as homosexuality, capital punishment, even pornography.

Irving Kristol, “The Feminization of the Democrats,” The Wall Street Journal (September 9, 1996): p. A16

Hi. I started reading this post before it got so long so forgive me if this has been brought up; but Hillary Clinton is NOT the first female runner for prez. In fact, shes quite late to the game: en.wikipedia.org... . I'll be voting for Anonymous' party before the Dem or Trump anyways, just thought I'd bring this to attention.

ed: not nominee, but female runner and proponent of basic female rights.

Nominating a criminal is not progress.

There is nothing more superficial than celebrating someone's genitals.

The world has had many women leaders.

Humans are corrupt regardless of gender, race, orientation, etc.

Conscientious women are appalled at the idea of Hillary Clinton being representative.

a reply to: Willtell

you never heard of magaret thatcher she was an epic # !

be careful of anyone in power !male or female

Also Hilary clinton is a # , she knew about the contra scandal whilst her husband was in office when it was exposed to the US public and it was covered up by the clinton lewinsky scandal

so she really cares for the american public enough to hide that story!

Sad that the first woman running for prez is a criminal. I feel sad for women that so blindly (emotionally) want a women president as to completely overlook corruption and her hideous record. I could site things, but honestly, we all know.

I feel sad again that people will support her just because she is a democrat.

People, you deserve what you get, and it ain't gonna be free, or good, by no means. So strap on those blinders, hold your nose and swallow the crappy medicine, the medicine you think you need, but will just make you sicker.

America as we knew it, the great country where people came from all over the world to "Be American" is gone.

originally posted by: 0001391
Humans are corrupt regardless of gender, race, orientation, etc.

Careful there, you are messing with the "heterosexual white male = cause of all the world's problems" line.

Your views aren't progressive enough to realise the real reason for all the war, injustice and misery in the world.

a reply to: AceWombat04

You're a weird guy, Ace.

But seriously, I suppose I can see where you're coming from. Although, if I were a woman, this might lead me to think there is less chance of any Jane Doe becoming president. Yes she's a woman(?). Yes, this could be inspirational to women. But, to anyone in the know, the outright grotesqueness of her story can (and should) overshadow this 'milestone'. There are so many other women around the world to look up to, who actually have defied all odds and made a real difference. I know I'm being negative but where is the logic in celebrating the success of a female, when she is an extreme tyrant?

I'd be the first person to vote for a woman for President who isn't a crook with a dead body list.a reply to: Willtell

Yeah, and she already stated that she can't do the job, "Bill will handle the economy" she's an idiot.

Never vote for someone who doesn't even know how to drive a car!

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My daughter is 19. I asked her if she was proud of Hillary being the first women "Major" party candidate for president. She looked at me in disgust. She said it is very unfortunate that a women that defended Bill through the sex scandals, a women that has taken bribes covered up in the "Clinton Charity Foundation", a women that takes hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in the form of "speeches", and a women that claims she doesn't know what "wiping a server" means can in someway be nominated for president is somehow a victory for women...

She said all this tells women is in order to be nominated for president you need to be a lying, corrupt, self serving, politically corrupt women. She said she is very embarrassed that Hillary is in some way a positive for women.

a reply to: Willtell

It is not progress and she doesn't posses any feminine principles like being against violence or destruction.

She has done the complete opposite of that.

or. this thread is satire and I just didn't see it?

This isn't a step forward, it's a step backward, as a greedy, murderous selfish person represents women at the presidential candidate level. You must be delirious if you don't understand that's how people see Hillary. That's what people will remember. But Hillary might be the first woman president too.

Feminists should be outraged that Hillary is what represents women politicians and women in general.

Nothing wrong with a female in office, but HC is the worst possible choice, the most dangerous choice. I have no doubt that woman will lead this country to war--nuclear war--IF she reaches the white house. I hope there are enough sane people in the world to prevent that from ever happening.

originally posted by: RobertBedford
Nothing wrong with a female in office, but HC is the worst possible choice, the most dangerous choice. I have no doubt that woman will lead this country to war--nuclear war--IF she reaches the white house. I hope there are enough sane people in the world to prevent that from ever happening.

Agreed

There are many, many successful woman holding public offices.

Hillary is not the first to go after a high ranking position, and not the first to acquire one.

People are quick to celebrate this and diminish the effort of all the extremely qualified women who have been working in politics for decades.

a reply to: Willtell

Only....she isn't the first female nominee.
I know most people don't count Green party nominees but they exist.
And as a woman I will never welcome her to office. If she wins every second of her "reign" will be a horror.

a reply to: B14ckC47

www.christianpost.com...

No there where several female presidential candidates before Hillary Clinton.

Jill Stein was the first female presidential nominee to a major US political party not Hillary.

originally posted by: Willtell
I know it’s like a milk warm tribute…Hillary Clinton?

But its progress…

For us who believe this rotten world is too much devoid of the feminine principle tonight is a step forward.

The beginning of a small crack in the male dominated egotistical macho-man world of violence and destruction.

Hopefully better woman than Hillary will follow her and make the world better

Congratulations!

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WOW!
Are you kidding? Nominated? She hasn't WON anything yet. She's only gotten this far through election fraud and voter suppression. Yeah, Let's have a slow clap.
Jill Stein, woman, running Green Party, Geraldine Ferraro ran for VP woman.
Please do not hold her up as someone we should be proud of.
Thanks, but no thanks
#NeverHillary

a reply to: Willtell
As someone who lives in a jurisdiction larger than many countries, that is governed by an openly lesbian woman, I'm having terrific time watching the proceedings!