Trump’s racist attacks are creating chaos — and even his own campaign is sick of it

a reply to: Gazrok

True, polls only give an indication as to how the electorate is feeling, however as you well know....

It's not about the popular vote anyway. It's about the Electoral vote in America and Trump has no control over that.

On the outside chance that Trump does get elected; I would support him in getting rid of the Electoral College.



www.washingtonpost.com...

Hanging chads...not just for breakfast anymore!! Incase this reference eludes you; it's about when Gore won the pop. vote but Bush won the POTUS.

This election is going to be fun!! Dirty and Nasty....

edit on 8-6-2016 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)

Cry me a river.. Trump is a racist for what he says huh? The policies of the left a racist in their implementation. Just look at every inner city in America. Ran by the left and they are bringing more over from every country on the planet. I hope it backfires on them and they all vote to the right in the coming years.

Trump is as racist as Hillary and at least he hasnt murdered anyone or giving our secrets to our enemies.

What racist attacks?? All I see is a bunch of libtards without jobs and racists attacking Trump supporters at every chance. Proving once again liberals are below average IQ and have mental problems and criminal records. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM.

I remember Archie Bunker fondly. When I was younger (4 or 5, i guess) i'd sit and laugh at the show. Meathead reminded me of my uncle.

Watching it in reruns is pretty cringeworthy. Same with Blazing Saddles. Especially given how racially mixed my family is.

The thing about Trump is that he doesn't just come out and say racist things. So the "Trump is a racist" just doesn't really seem to fly with me. Its just a slander, which makes me feel more supportive of Trump. Which I really don't appreciate very much.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Gazrok

True, polls only give an indication as to how the electorate is feeling, however as you well know....

It's not about the popular vote anyway. It's about the Electoral vote in America and Trump has no control over that.

On the outside chance that Trump does get elected; I would support him in getting rid of the Electoral College.



www.washingtonpost.com...

Hanging chads...not just for breakfast anymore!! Incase this reference eludes you; it's about when Gore won the pop. vote but Bush won the POTUS.

This election is going to be fun!! Dirty and Nasty....

That is an old article. The electoral map is tightening as new polls come in. At the time of your link, for example, Clinton was leading in Florida by 13 points. Trump is ahead in the latest Florida poll.

Up to data electoral map forecast - Real Clear politics.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: UKTruth

You need to post some links with those numbers.

I think you are just making them up.


Here's the latest from Reuters....Looks like Trump has peaked and Clinton is surging.

www.reuters.com...


This race isn't about who is going to win....It's about who is going to LOSE. Time will tell.

Link posted above. Not hard to find the data really.

The head to head percentage vote is up and down... Clinton is ahead by 2-5% in most recent polls, with Reuters as the exception having Clinton further ahead. Trump was ahead of Clinton 3 weeks ago, but behind by over 10 points 6 weeks ago. Head to head seems to move around a lot - mainly driven by independents who are still making up their minds.

The electoral college map is more important though.

a reply to: UKTruth

You are correct. Trump is making substantial gains. If Trump can keep his momentum up until November; he might stand a chance.

The debates will be interesting; if he doesn't punk out like he did with Bernie.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: UKTruth

You are correct. Trump is making substantial gains. If Trump can keep his momentum up until November; he might stand a chance.

The debates will be interesting; if he doesn't punk out like he did with Bernie.

Interestingly if it were Sanders, Trump would have zero chance. I'd say vs. Clinton he has a small chance but a chance nonetheless.

a reply to: olaru12

“Fasten your seatbelts. It’s going to be a bumpy night.”

Yes, let's keep this election fun, dirty, and nasty!

originally posted by: Gazrok
By the way, the last President to ban all Muslims? A Democrat .....Carter

False.

Carter acted against Iranian nationals, not an entire religion.

"The difference is that Iranians were citizens of, and owed allegiance to, a country that was acting against the United States," said Kermit Roosevelt, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania. "The class of ‘all Muslims’ has no similar connection to ISIS or terrorists. That makes the analogy seriously flawed."



Carter was ratcheting up diplomatic pressure in a fairly traditional process of crisis management.

Experts said that Carter’s actions are best understood in the context of a traditional conflict with a nation-state, something that doesn’t exist in the environment now shaping Trump’s proposal.

even the best spin....

The biggest area of agreement we found between Greenfield and experts is that Carter was responding to a crisis involving a sovereign state, whereas today’s threats come from non-state actors such as ISIS or al-Qaida. Today, non-state threats are growing in severity, making the kinds of tactics Carter used moot.

Martin sees some merit in this argument. "I don't deny that some legal doctrines will change -- and are already changing -- based on the very different types of conflicts we now face against non-state actors," Martin said. "And maybe someday, in a deeper emergency, a president will find it necessary to adopt some other type of broad categorical exclusions on immigration from a particular region."

Still, he added, "Trump's action can't possibly find justification based on such an analogy. Barring all Muslims uses a ridiculously overbroad proxy when viewed either as protecting against danger or as creating a plausible bargaining chip that could get the other side to cease its violations."

source

Semantics.

As you pointed out, much different situation now, where you have folks that aren't from established states, and nearly zero chance of vetting.

And lest you think I have no idea about Muslims, or the Middle East, I actually lived in Saudi Arabia a few years. The average Muslim is just like you or me. They care about family, friends, etc. and they care even LESS for who rules them. But, it isn't like you can just pick out who is and who is not dangerous. Even Muslim friends I have are for a thorough vetting process due to current circumstances.

Hanging chads...not just for breakfast anymore!! Incase this reference eludes you; it's about when Gore won the pop. vote but Bush won the POTUS.

I'm in Florida, so yeah, I know all about that, LOL. While I do get the idea behind the Electoral College, the execution of it, and lack of oversight, is what makes the system so corruptible.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Ah. See, there's where populist social pressure bites people in the ass. Racism requires hatred and hatred is far too strong a concept to be applied to a lot of the stuff accused of being racist these days. Saying a word doesn't make someone a racist... having hatred in their heart makes someone a racist. Blazing Saddles IS one of the funniest, best movies ever produced. That fact has not changed just because populist nonsense tries to shame people who laugh at farcical stereotypes and race based humor.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Ah. See, there's where populist social pressure bites people in the ass. Racism requires hatred and hatred is far too strong a concept to be applied to a lot of the stuff accused of being racist these days. Saying a word doesn't make someone a racist... having hatred in their heart makes someone a racist. Blazing Saddles IS one of the funniest, best movies ever produced. That fact has not changed just because populist nonsense tries to shame people who laugh at farcical stereotypes and race based humor.

im not offended by it at all. i just don't find it funny like I used to.

tell you another one that kinda hit me in the face; the unknown comic. you remember that guy....he did his gig with a paper bag over his head back in the early/mid 80's? i used to roll in the floor laughing at his stuff. looked it up on youtube the other day and was impressed by how unfunny it was.

i think its the lowbrow nature of the stereotypes played on. They've been overplayed so much its ridiculous. Kinda like how Carlton killed the possibility of 'the white dance' really being funny anymore. its past the crescendo.

Ralphie May is starting to ease over that crescendo now, too. But man, was he funny for awhile.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Racism requires hatred...

It does?

All it really requires is a belief that there is such a thing as race, and that some races are better than others - or at least different enough to be considered separate

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Then by that definition, anyone who believes there is such a thing as systemic racism or supports any sort of protected classes based on race is, in fact, a racist.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So, Tex...what I get out of this thread (from you) is that things aren't as funny as they used to be

:-)

I have a lot to say about that - but I don't want to get all maudlin

I watched 2 All in the Family episodes last night - hadn't seen it in years

Cringe worthy - as it was meant to be. But I still think they're relevant

I think the cast is still brilliant - but it might not be as funny anymore because we talk about this stuff all the time lately. The shock value is gone. Thank you internet and 24/7 news, chat, propaganda and public bellyaching. All of it does seem to make us a little numb - and way less thinky

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Then by that definition, anyone who believes there is such a thing as systemic racism or supports any sort of protected classes based on race is, in fact, a racist.

how do you figure?

I know people like to say that - but - just hoping you can be ironic doesn't make you ironic

Break it down for me

:-)

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

It's comedy. Blazing Saddles? Holy bat balls the funniest. Comedians make fun of everyone. I think some of you need a taste of Mr Bigsby.

Trumps problem is that he has no filter. He is a businessman. He does not need one. A politician is so scared to say the wrong thing they apologize first, then make a statement and then clarify that statement with another statement. Not having a filter and being honest though is better than the political double speak of HIllary. Far superior.

If I have a Jewish friend and I nicknamed him Johnny the Jew, is that racist?
If I had two friends named Frank, one white and one black. If I called one White Frank and the other just Frank would it be ok? How about if I called him Black Frank?

Makes no sense right. That is my point. If we cannot laugh at ourselves then we are doomed.

Now the Bern is on the Clinton bandwagon the next few weeks will be interesting.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

In your own words from above...

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
All it really requires is a belief that there is such a thing as race, and that some races are better than others - or at least different enough to be considered separate

For a person to believe that they are a victim of systemic racism or deserving of protected class status, then they are
1. identifying that they believe there is such a thing as race.
2. Indirectly supporting the idea that the races are different through declaration of the need to artificially uplift one or more races at the expense of others because they feel unable to directly compete on a level playing field.

That's racism... racist victimhood, in fact.

Just believing one race has some sort of unfair advantage or privilege doesn't mean they actually have an unfair advantage or are beneficiaries of privilege.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

For a person to believe that they are a victim of systemic racism or deserving of protected class status, then they are
1. identifying that they believe there is such a thing as race.

Or, they are correctly noticing that they've been singled out and treated differently - because other people believe they are a separate race

2. Indirectly supporting the idea that the races are different through declaration of the need to artificially uplift one or more races at the expense of others because they feel unable to directly compete on a level playing field.

Wow - what a load that was. And loaded too :-)

Your argument wouldn't even fly with children - we all know we look different. But here - let's play with words:

If you are resentful - my noticing you are resentful doesn't make me resentful

My reacting to your arbitrariness - doesn't make me arbitrary

My trying to protect myself from your being violent...does not make me violent

My ability to recognize that you don't like me because you think you're better than me - doesn't mean that I feel superior

My being able to see that you are racist - doesn't make me a racist