Why the Golden Age of "UFOs" Ended

a reply to: cuckooold

I think one of the better cases is the Colares case. Kandinsky did an excellent thread on this some time back, and I've made a couple of attempts to revisit this case in a new thread. Perhaps soon I hope as Colares is a genuinely weird case.

I think a lot of the ones you mentioned have been somewhat debunked (at least in my opinion), but Colares still has me stumped.

Sorry, I missed this originally.

Yes many of those 'classic' cases have been subject to painstaking analysis down the years. Much of it not good for the pro-ET people.

But the body of history of the UFO phenomenon should not be discounted whether the 'big' cases are debunked successfully or not. There are 'intelligence links going back to the contactee era of the 1950s and the Antônio Vilas Boas abduction story back in 1957 (perhaps the first notable abduction case?).

If there is evidence of a more down to earth 'interference' then these cases still need to be studied further.

a reply to: mirageman

In your opinion, how do the classic cases stand up for the "high strangeness people"?

As for the "ET people", I've never seen a single case stand up for that theory.. not a single one.. even cases with radar traces and physical evidence in no way hint at an "ET".

The trouble with the ETH, is that you pretty much have to have a physical craft land on the white house lawn, and have a delegation come out and show home movies of their home planet, give you the math behind their star drive and let you examine it, before you MIGHT think that they were genuine "ET's"

Otherwise, they could just be 'masqerading demons', projections into the mind, or native crypto creatures of the Earth, or even black project humans.

The ETH requires the most stringent evidence imaginable, to differentiate it from the more reasonable theories, and there has never been even one case which has gotten even 10% towards the required level of proof.

IMHO.

Your opinion?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What an awesome thread, really enjoyed what I have read so far and you argue a good case for your POV, I just had to reply to this post to ask about the "woo" and connection to the Earth.

So it's your belief this "woo" comes from the Earth somehow and humans are like a TiVo box?

Do you think the "woo" is alive or we somehow give it life even if it's temporary?

Incidently, I have had a few "woo" experiences. Today is the solstice and I honestly haven't been following the date recently but I did get the feeling today was the solstice... I got no sleep, confirmed this morning the day and I feel "awake" always do on the solstice. I have a good feeling about some "woo" tonight.


I would also like to mention your sighting with morphing... I've no recollection of such things but I have this extremely lucid dream about seeing a manifestation, the humour I'd never forget, I heard no laughing but at one point I saw a teacup. A flying tea cup, got a good laugh when I woke. Almost mocking, your sighting struck a chord with me. I have a sighting that suggests the woo woo likes a laugh or we percieve it that way?

Anyway, again awesome thread I'll read the rest and hopefully have something to contribute.

a reply to: RAY1990

You weren't listening to Gong before you saw the flying teacup were you?

a reply to: Tulpa

I had to look them up so no, not exactly old enough for that but wow that is some trippy listening material.

Good stuff


I actually made a loose story based on that dream a while ago mainly for memory...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's a bit all over and tbh all I remember now is being in a chopper over the sea in spitting distance of a tr-3b type craft and almost falling out laughing at it turn into a tea cup then gun, then tennis racket? Not sure fun dream non the less.

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Listening to the lyrics of a gong song... Man that's a very nice coincidence.

a reply to: RAY1990

Oh no. What have I done!
When you said tea cup I instantly thought of flying teapots.
I just assumed you were hinting in that direction.
I'm sorry.
That album shouldn't be revived!

a reply to: RAY1990

Thank you very much for participating.

My personal theory is that sentient "energy"life forms co-evolved with physical life on Earth.

That "they need to stay tethered to us" to help keep their form..or at least initially needed to.

Is also say they need us to breed..

That in fact when people talk about "souls" or even "chakras", that in fact its these symbiotic lifeforms which are the "truth" behind such things and the "real part" of the UFO mystery as well.

In a nutshell.

Kev

a reply to: RAY1990

On a slightly more serious note...
The whole hippy thing did bring with it a popularisation of mysteries and mysticism. Stone circles and crop circles and even the occasional drum circle.
It also brought a popularisation of psychedelic drugs and that fact seemed to become the ace up the sleeve for the debunking mob.
Any suggestion of something, even as innocent as a half of bitter would be the go to answer.
Must've been drunk, high, etc.
I think this helped close the door on the golden age as we moved into the new age.

a reply to: Tulpa

On the other hand government spooks seem drawn to shaman like a moth to flame.

Interesting double standard there...

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I see, tbh I agree somewhat. With personal sightings and hindsight I can concure with the theory or possibility with "energy" beings and it's highly possible myths of the past and more modern ufo sightings are one in the same.

The majority of my sightings have been in phases of being "in touch" with the land and it's worth noting in those times I had some strange synchronicity, another poster mentioned about a series of weird events, the fort bragg post?. Anyway I remember for a a couple of weeks in between sightings I'd be walking along and suddenly figured I'd look down and I'd find a 4-leafed clover... I found about 5 including a 6-leafer, I was giving them away people couldn't believe their luck. Funny really.

I guess the point I'm making is personal experience hits to me a lot more is going on subconsciously. A being of something not physical being "anchored" with a physical being to feed, mate or do whatever they do and sometimes this "anchoring" has an effect on the host is not a bad theory whatsoever, infact it feels about right.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I believe they also brought a new variety of Kool Aid.
The spooks, that is.
We all know some dodgy stuff was involved.
But were those spooks following something or leading the way.
Difficult to tell but the expression contagion of belief fits the times. Contamination too.

a reply to: Tulpa


Personally I put a little more faith in the honest account from someone who may have had a few pints, they could have left that detail out. The majority of pass time recreation drugs and alcohol are not psychedelic. Unless the account could have direct correlation e.g." I saw a wobbling ufo but I was drunk" answers itself, probably was a drunk looking at Venus but the majority of the time it's an ignorant debunking method.

a reply to: Tulpa

Well "The Stargate Conspiracy" is now on my permanent short list.

In the past I've bumped into the Theosophy people, the "Arcane School" cult of Alice Bailey, and others associated with "The Nine".

But I never knew how deep it went into letter land and Puharic land.

When I first came to ATS I was being harassed by "Ra" and as a child by "the Ennead" before I had come across anything Egyptian or "mystical bookish".

So I think there is "something" actually there...but I'll be first to agree that our letter spooks and various occult groups have majorly conspired to herd us blind sheep to an obnoxious global religion of Absolute deception, even worse than the earlier religious control systems.

Kev

mainly because in a matter of seconds, i can, on my phone carefully analyze a video and know its bullocks. its not dying, its just that my 9 year old can spot a cgi ufo by looking at it now.

the amount of data that would be included in a simple ufo video taken on a high-end camera phone, is enough to throw it in the hoax bin immediately. its not a mystery, its just the fact that i can control my car with my phone, so i know there are tools out there that will tell me if a 'ufo' video is faked. which 99% are. the other we just dont know.
my grandma is editing complex settings on her laptop to make her leisure time easier, if i show her a ufo video, she would say 'zoom in, check the interlace settings, get rid of those artifacts, or adjust the scale' so i can inspect it a little better. '

its hard to FOOL people today! even my nana who wont stop texting.... those already fooled are just grandfathered-in i guess.



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remember the age of crop circles...? yea, formations done by aliens in order to 'help' humanity etc...
that died a lot quicker due to more access to technology and inquisitive minds questioning why would aliens do shapes in crops to make contact with another alien species.... people got smart so to speak [more or less with cameras equipped with higher recording fields than just visible light!]

a reply to: odzeandennz

Anything that can have it's picture taken is not something worth photographing, and not worth investigating, as no nuts and bolts UFOs have ever visited this planet insofar as I know.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Alice Bailey? Wasn't the nine a mk-enterprise with Uri Geller?

a reply to: Peeple

If you read "The Stagate Conspiracy" by Lynn Picknett she does a fabulous job tying it all together.
I"m super duper glad I read the book. I consider it a must read, along with "messengers of deception"
and "passage to magonia".

You'll find that Blavatsky and Bailey were basically the mothers of modern UFOlogy, AND the
"new age".

No doubt the "Phenomenon" has been at work for thousands of years, but those two ladies have
piles of dead bodies at their feet, broken minds, wars and all manner of madness passing
through though their works, down to more recent people of ill repute such as Puharich.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

In your opinion, how do the classic cases stand up for the "high strangeness people"?

Of the ones I listed earlier I would say not a lot to be honest.

1947 - Kenneth Arnold. Who knows what he saw but it doesn't really lend itself to high strangeness.

1947 - Roswell - Whatever came to earth in 1947 does not seem to be high strangeness.

1952 - Washington DC - Another incident that doesn't really feature high strangeness in my opinion

1961 - The HIll Abduction - Possibly high strangeness possibly something else much more down to Earth.

1964 - Lonnie Zamora Sightings - No high strangeness. I think Lonnie saw something for real.

1965 - Kecksburg - Not even sure anything came down in Kecksburg. But nothing stratospherically strange in this case either.

1966 - Westall - Yes maybe this was something really WOO!

1967 - Shag Harbour - No I don't think so here either.

1975 - Travis Walton abduction. - Either Travis is a complete fake or this was a lot of WOO!

1980 - Rendlesham Forest UFO - Could be something woo but far too much crap being thrown around to tell.

Mid 1980s - Hudson Valley - Could be something highly strange or could it be secret airship testing?

1989/90 - Belgium - See above

1997 - Phoenix Lights Out - Probably nothing but military flares.

Cases that have a lot of high strangeness to me are the Bob Taylor one. The Warminster case and perhaps the Alan Godfrey story.

a reply to: mirageman

Those floating robot goblins from Kecksburg seem mighty strange to me.

Otherwise I don't disagree.

I'd also consider most of the pre-1900 cases high strangeness cases. (there are thousands of them that few people study).

I consider modern technology is keeping those golden age cases supressed.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Those floating robot goblins from Kecksburg seem mighty strange to me.

That was Kelly, Hopkinsville 1955 wasn't it? - Definitely a high strangeness case.

Kecksburg is allegedly a crashed capsule in the woods in Pennsylvania in 1965.