Violence Erupts outside Trump rally, a female Trump supporter assaulted

a reply to: LordDraconia

Yeah Trump supporters are having a great time, gearing up for the wave of violence and aggression they wish to unleash on all who oppose them.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: LordDraconia

Yeah Trump supporters are having a great time, gearing up for the wave of violence and aggression they wish to unleash on all who oppose them.

Ya just like San Jose just like Albuquerque just like Chicago. Someone is definitely gearing up for a wave of violence. I think 3 Trump people hit 3 protesters what 6 months ago? How many dozens of rioters have assaulted Trump supporters since then? I wish I could shake you out of your bubble. I'll tell you what, I'll try and keep an open mind and keep researching, and I beg you to do the same. Think outside your box. I was as scared of Trump as anyone before I did any research and saw where the fear mongering was really coming from.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: Gryphon66

You misunderstood I believe. Those violently protesting in gangs today ARE the left. That is the problem at hand. Yes...violence has been executed on the right and the left...but today's topic is referencing violence on the left at these protests.

Other than that...peace.

I haven't misunderstood a thing. Violence is becoming an increasing part of our political landscape.

Donald J. Trump has advocated for that. No other candidate has done so.

I am appalled by any and all violence, and will say, again, there is never any justification for it in the public square.

a reply to: dragonridr

1. Trump is not the only person in America who wants to look at reformulating immigration standards, and it bears noting that the Obama Administration has deported more "illegals" than any Executive in recent history.

2. Trump's approval (which includes approval of his rather unique take on the issues before us) has been steady around 33-35% for months. That is not a majority of anything, least of all the American people. That is the point I made that you are responding to.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: misskat1

You know, If you get the threatened feeling, or if you are being followed to closely on your way out, I advise you to defend yourself with any means possible, I hope it remains calm as well but don't let yourself wind up on some video. This # is out of control and it has to stop. Be safe and tell us how it goes

no it isn't out of control, because the police and security are either absent or ARE NOT controlling it....Baltimore was out of control, Ferguson was out of control....this is just you wishing for a "rage stimulant"

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: spiritualzombie

You do know the RULE OF LAW is the entire foundation our society right ?

I mean we have two houses of congress that's entire job it is to write bills that become LAWS.

Now since they don't matter.

Neither does the REST of them.

Can't have it both ways there.

And it doesn't make a person a 'hater'.

That's just someones transference.

And this is why we should round up all the people who habitually speed on the way to work and summarily execute them. We certainly can't be having law breakers in this great society of ours.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
a reply to: TechniXcality

I have wanted to start a thread that is a collection of "Anti Trump" people being violent toward rally goers and innocent attendees at these events. There are so many videos now of them assaulting, destroying property, attacking cops, women, yelling at elderly and children....etc..etc.

WHOEVER they are, whatever they come in the name of, they represent the LEFT, be they a Bernie or Hillary supporter. Most have seem to come in the name of Bernie, or Mexican "Liberation" movements, Socialists, or flat out Anarchist Black Bloc agitators.

But this IS...the LEFT.

They are so many videos out now of their aggression that I could make an entire thread with dozens of videos. Versus a FEW which showcase any Trump supporter using violence or being the initial aggressor. It's overwhelming now.

And the most DISGUSTING part of it is, is they are holding signs that talk about 'stopping hate', while the Media STILL claims that the Trump supporters are the violent ones, while as EVIDENCED, that is not the reality.

It's okay, more will come, and it will grow Trump's base, it will garner more support. I believe now is the time to physically 'take one for the team'....and when November comes....when Trump is in office....................

NO MERCY. NOT ONE INCH.

Boy, this is a nauseating little screed, innit?

It is a convenient fiction for violent authoritarians to create a chain of responsibility from anyone who has voted left of center to the most violent people acting out at Trump rallies. It's also a vile deception. I disapprove entirely of these people, but they do not number among anyone I know who supports anyone on the left. Who are they? I'm guessing agitators of opportunity. Angry, hormonally juiced individuals lacking the maturity to participate properly in the political process. Children who are not terribly bright but whose anger has been successfully stirred by Trump and his supporters.

But you sure seem excited to blur it all together into one large group that can be easily distinguished by having politics somewhere left of center, and announcing that once your man is in office there will be "NO MERCY" for any of us.

originally posted by: JohnnyElohim


It is a convenient fiction for violent authoritarians to create a chain of responsibility from anyone who has voted left of center to the most violent people acting out at Trump rallies. It's also a vile deception. I disapprove entirely of these people, but they do not number among anyone I know who supports anyone on the left.

Very eloquently stated.

The very ones here claiming to support free speech are the one's trying to shut it down.

Political violence is abominable, and, only one candidate has routinely advocated for violence from the podium:

Donald J. Trump

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

And this is why we should round up all the people who habitually speed on the way to work and summarily execute them. We certainly can't be having law breakers in this great society of ours.

Well that was lame.

Have anything other than hyperbole?

It's sadly ironic that the "law and order" authoritarians are so transparent in their prejudices.

Is it too much to hope that this trend toward violence that OP is pointing to (although I have noted that I utterly disagree with their suggestion that such is limited to only one side of teh political coin) can be reversed?

That's a question more in line with the intent of the OP, I would think.

a reply to: Gryphon66

It's sadly ironic that the "law and order" authoritarians are so transparent in their prejudices

Sure is transparent.

When it comes to environmental LAWS,Financial LAWS,Healthcare LAWS, Gun control LAWS, and the new kid on the block restroom LAWS.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: JohnnyElohim


It is a convenient fiction for violent authoritarians to create a chain of responsibility from anyone who has voted left of center to the most violent people acting out at Trump rallies. It's also a vile deception. I disapprove entirely of these people, but they do not number among anyone I know who supports anyone on the left.

Very eloquently stated.

The very ones here claiming to support free speech are the one's trying to shut it down.

Political violence is abominable, and, only one candidate has routinely advocated for violence from the podium:

Donald J. Trump

That's right. I am disappointed in Sanders regarding Nevada, suggesting that people who very clearly were his supporters and who quite clearly crossed the line were not his purview to comment on. I believe he implied, essentially, that their anger was justified and that it was the place of DNC officials to respond to their anger (and not his place to condemn their behavior). Because they were unambiguously aligned with him, I think he should have shown leadership and made it clear that death threats and vandalism are not acceptable. But that's the worst I've seen in terms of political leaders on the left endorsing violence. It's not good, but it's not the same thing as saying your political opponents should be brought out on stretchers for the crime of making noise where they're unwanted.

“If you see any somebody throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Just knock the hell out of them…. I’ll pay for the legal fees, I promise.”

"I love the old days—you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.”

"Part of the problem, and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right?… Our country has to toughen up, folks. We have to toughen up. These people are bringing us down, remember that they’re bringing us down… These are not good people. These are not the people that are going to make our country great… these are the people that are destroying our country.”

You see these thoughts echoed here on ATS resoundingly.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's sadly ironic that the "law and order" authoritarians are so transparent in their prejudices

Sure is transparent.

When it comes to environmental LAWS,Financial LAWS,Healthcare LAWS, Gun control LAWS, and the new kid on the block restroom LAWS.

Who the eff are you kidding with that crap?

Did you have something concrete to say about "environmental LAWS,Financial LAWS,Healthcare LAWS, Gun control LAWS, and the new kid on the block restroom LAWS"?

Particularly, the latter, because the only bathroom laws are the ones that try to set the government up as the Pee Police, like North Carolina's HB2.

If you're calling that "crap" I agree with you.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

And this is why we should round up all the people who habitually speed on the way to work and summarily execute them. We certainly can't be having law breakers in this great society of ours.

Well that was lame.

Have anything other than hyperbole?

I'm sure you're accustomed to people responding to you who are entirely unconcerned with your opinion. That said, the point is that you construct a black and white argument that says illegal immigrants are fundamentally lawless because they are residing in the US illegally. An impoverished mother who steals to feed her children is not automatically without respect for the rule of law, nor is the illegal immigrant. Adults decide all the time that their judgement in a specific circumstance trumps the rule of law. Sometimes they do this for quite noble reasons, sometimes for selfish ones. But to posture as though this doesn't all lie on a spectrum is obtuse. You seem smart enough. I'm sure you understood my point. You'd just rather not acknowledge it because you have an agenda here, I reckon.

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

I can understand your disappointment with Bernie ... he doesn't seem to be the same person that started the race last fall.

Notably, of course, both Sanders and Clinton immediately condemned the violence in San Jose.

Trump is the only one who has called for violence from his podium.

And, sadly, he's getting it.

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

That said, the point is that you construct a black and white argument that says illegal immigrants are fundamentally lawless because they are residing in the US illegally.

The LAW says it, and has for over 200 years.

Knock on the door ask for permission to come in, and get in line like everyone else except one demographic out of ALL the people that have come,and and still want to come here, but can't.

Because of ONE group who thinks they are so effing special.

An impoverished mother who steals to feed her children is not automatically without respect for the rule of law, nor is the illegal immigrant. Adults decide all the time that their judgement in a specific circumstance trumps the rule of law.

Awesome!

I love emotional 'arguments'. I really shed a tear,

So people should just ignore immigration law. Which means the rest of us get to ignore every LAW we don't like.

Hey let anarchy run supreme since people get to pick and choose what laws to obey.

Someone needs to tell congress to go home since they are no longer needed.

Since it's their jobs go write bills that become LAWS.

Someone needs to tell the cops to go home too since they are no longer needed. Since they don't have to be enforced.

Let ANARCHY REIGN SUPREME!

Screw financial LAWS.

Screw gun control LAWS.

Screw the ACA LAW.

Screw em all.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

I can understand your disappointment with Bernie ... he doesn't seem to be the same person that started the race last fall.

Exactly. It saddens me.

Notably, of course, both Sanders and Clinton immediately condemned the violence in San Jose.

Trump is the only one who has called for violence from his podium.

And, sadly, he's getting it.

Right, and this is key: the narrative here and presumably in the conservative echo chamber (I watch Fox semi-regularly as a sort of self-assigned homework) insists that an action by one of these violent protestors cannot be separated from Hillary, Bernie, or their supporters. How does this work? They are at least condemning the violence. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is offering to fund the legal defense of his supporters who seem quite clearly guilty of Assault. To be honest I am more than a little concerned with where we are headed with these themes.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

That said, the point is that you construct a black and white argument that says illegal immigrants are fundamentally lawless because they are residing in the US illegally.

The LAW says it, and has for over 200 years.

Knock on the door ask for permission to come in, and get in line like everyone else except one demographic out of ALL the people that have come,and and still want to come here, but can't.

Because of ONE group who thinks they are so effing special.

You are being obtuse. My point is not that it's legal, nor that it's admirable. My point, as you well know but refuse to acknowledge because you are a shill slinging empty and dishonest words, is this: people break the law for many reasons. Having chosen to break one law does not mean you'll not respect others. See: speeding.

Awesome!

I love emotional 'arguments'. I really shed a tear,

So people should just ignore immigration law. Which means the rest of us get to ignore every LAW we don't like.

Hey let anarchy run supreme since people get to pick and choose what laws to obey.

Someone needs to tell congress to go home since they are no longer needed.

Since it's their jobs go write bills that become LAWS.

Someone needs to tell the cops to go home too since they are no longer needed. Since they don't have to be enforced.

Let ANARCHY REIGN SUPREME!

Screw financial LAWS.

Screw gun control LAWS.

Screw the ACA LAW.

Screw em all.

I am making a clear point that I am sure you understand but choose to misrepresent. Is it just that you are filled with so much hatred that you feel that this is all a no-holds-barred match? That, because you and I are on different political "teams", it's totally acceptable for you to twist and misrepresent my words until they suit the two dimensional straw man you are feverishly constructing? What's the point?

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

You are being obtuse. My point is not that it's legal, nor that it's admirable. My point, as you well know but refuse to acknowledge because you are a shill slinging empty and dishonest words, is this: people break the law for many reasons. Having chosen to break one law does not mean you'll not respect others. See: speeding.

The only people being 'obtuse' here are ILLEGAL immigrants when everyone else has to play by the rules.

And those that defend it.

en.wikipedia.org...

Heres the short list.

I am making a clear point that I am sure you understand but choose to misrepresent. Is it just that you are filled with so much hatred that you feel that this is all a no-holds-barred match? That, because you and are on different political "teams", it's totally acceptable for you to twist and misrepresent my words until they suit the two dimensional straw man you are feverishly constructing? What's the point?

The 'strawman' was this crap.

And this is why we should round up all the people who habitually speed on the way to work and summarily execute them. We certainly can't be having law breakers in this great society of ours.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

You are being obtuse. My point is not that it's legal, nor that it's admirable. My point, as you well know but refuse to acknowledge because you are a shill slinging empty and dishonest words, is this: people break the law for many reasons. Having chosen to break one law does not mean you'll not respect others. See: speeding.

The only people being 'obtuse' here are ILLEGAL immigrants when everyone else has to play by the rules.

And those that defend it.

en.wikipedia.org...

Heres the short list.

All beside the point. Your premise that a person fundamentally disrespects the rule of law if they have ever violated a law is comically absurd. Illegal immigrants are not automatically anarchists with no regard for order. There are as many sets of motivations as there are illegal immigrants. Some of them, I am sure, do have a callous disregard for the law of the land they move to. Most of them are likely to be desperate people taking desperate measures to improve their lives and the lives of their dear ones. Some people speed "responsibly" in ways that add little or no risk for others. Some people speed recklessly and take other people's lives into their hands.

The 'strawman' was this crap.

Is it hyperbole, or is it a strawman? Oh wait! I wrote it, so you could just ask me what the intent was! I wrote the below as a humorous and sarcastic example of how absurd it is to argue that because someone immigrated illegally, they have absolutely no respect for the rule of law. Life is not so black and white.

And this is why we should round up all the people who habitually speed on the way to work and summarily execute them. We certainly can't be having law breakers in this great society of ours.

www.abovetopsecret.com...