Does the Sun leave the sky?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: butcherguy

60MPH just keep up with the clock and drive west. Of course you'll run out of road before long.

60 mph is insufficient. Not even close really.
You need to go nearly 1,000 mph to keep up with the Sun at the equator if you decide to chase it.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: butcherguy

Just because you can't see it doesn't make it gone. That's how babies think when you play peek-a-boo. They think you come and go when you cover their eyes.
They usually grow out of the game when they realise you haven't gone anywhere.

So if a car pulls a hit and run, then drives out of sight, and you witness it... and a cop comes to investigate, you could tell him it is right there and point in the direction that you last saw it.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: ignorant_ape

Excellent point.

Is it?
Have you ever spent time above the arctic circle in the winter?
There are long dark periods.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Nothing is stationary.

Earlier, you said that the Sun is stationary.
You like it both ways apparently.

I still don't understand the point of this thread.

Your question has been answered by myself and a few others.

What is it that you're looking for?

a reply to: TerryDon79

What is it that you're looking for?

Nothing more.
Thank you for participating.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: TerryDon79

What is it that you're looking for?

Nothing more.
Thank you for participating.

So all you really wanted was an answer to a question that all high school students know?

What was the purpose or underlying reason for the question?

a reply to: TerryDon79
It is about the common definition of the word 'sky'.
Sorry if you found it a waste of your time.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: TerryDon79
It is about the common definition of the word 'sky'.
Sorry if you found it a waste of your time.

I just got a bit confused as to the premise of the thread. It seems like a pretty basic question with a rather simple answer.

So it was all about the meaning of the word sky? Is this like an anti flat earth thread or something lol

a reply to: butcherguy

bollox - you are not asking about the " sky " or its ` common definition - you are asking about the " visible sky "

as this post demonstrates:

a reply to: butcherguy

so this is really about the visible sky - or more exactly - that can be seen ` between ` horizons - at an undefined time

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: TerryDon79
It is about the common definition of the word 'sky'.
Sorry if you found it a waste of your time.

I just got a bit confused as to the premise of the thread. It seems like a pretty basic question with a rather simple answer.

So it was all about the meaning of the word sky? Is this like an anti flat earth thread or something lol

No. I define the sky as the the area from horizon to horizon above an observer on the Earth. From the perspective of an observer on the Earth, the Sun leaves that zone which we call the sky, meaning it is out of the area where we can observe it.
The sky is something that we can only observe visually. You can't touch the sky.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: butcherguy

bollox - you are not asking about the " sky " or its ` common definition - you are asking about the " visible sky "

as this post demonstrates:

a reply to: butcherguy

so this is really about the visible sky - or more exactly - that can be seen ` between ` horizons - at an undefined time

The sky is entirely visual. You can't touch it. You can't hear it.

a reply to: butcherguy

thanks - so your " objection " was - as i suspected - utter bollox

hint - walking across the street alters your " sky "


a reply to: butcherguy

and the point of this is ???????????????????

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: butcherguy

thanks - so your " objection " was - as i suspected - utter bollox

hint - walking across the street alters your " sky "


a reply to: butcherguy

and the point of this is ???????????????????

I am sorry to have bothered you also.
I was looking for viewpoints though. Thank you for yours.

I should have mentioned, Yes, where you are alters your sky. Montana is 'Big Sky Country'. I have been to places where the locals swear that you have to lie flat on your back to see the sky.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: TerryDon79
It is about the common definition of the word 'sky'.
Sorry if you found it a waste of your time.

I just got a bit confused as to the premise of the thread. It seems like a pretty basic question with a rather simple answer.

So it was all about the meaning of the word sky? Is this like an anti flat earth thread or something lol

No. I define the sky as the the area from horizon to horizon above an observer on the Earth. From the perspective of an observer on the Earth, the Sun leaves that zone which we call the sky, meaning it is out of the area where we can observe it.
The sky is something that we can only observe visually. You can't touch the sky.

So your definition of the sky is wrong.

If you're standing on earth and the sun is directly above you, you would say it's "in the sky". But if you travel in a straight line from Earth to the sun, the sun will no longer be "in the sky", but "in space".

What I'm trying to get as is perception doesn't equal truth.

a reply to: TerryDon79

What I'm trying to get as is perception doesn't equal truth.

Yes.
I covered that when I wrote in the OP that I understand celestial motions and am aware of what causes night and day.
I have focused on the fact that the sky something visual.

I posted the definition of the word 'sky' in the OP.

Here is the one from the Cambridge Dictionary: 'the area above the earth in which clouds, the sun, and the stars can be seen'

You should see what I mean.

But if you travel in a straight line from Earth to the sun, the sun will no longer be "in the sky", but "in space".

The sky does not exist in space. It is a phenomenon that is related to being on the surface of a planet.

a reply to: butcherguy

So you understand what they sky is, the sun is, the motion of both, the human perception and that the sun isn't actually in the sky.

Still don't understand the premise of the thread lol.

"What is Sky?" "What does it mean to leave?"....

This whole discussion is like trying unravel some sort of Zen Riddle.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: butcherguy

60MPH just keep up with the clock and drive west. Of course you'll run out of road before long.

LOL! 60 MPH will not cut it. That will get you 1440 miles in 24 hours, by which time to Earth has gone around once. The correct answer is 1,000 MPH, which the speed at which the Earth rotates.

P.S. More precisely it's 1037 MPH, but like I said, it's in the ballpark.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
I still don't understand the point of this thread.

Your question has been answered by myself and a few others.

What is it that you're looking for?

It's just nonsense mental masturbation - nothing more.