Collections of weird artifacts - Klaus Dona

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
a reply to: Peeple
When i first saw this, years ago, i was stunned, and i am till today!!!!!

Fixed your video

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DAVID64

No. I just don't dismiss it.. If the hieroglyphs were fake how come there was a pathway discovered nearby? Scans showed it's leading to a grave.

And I spent hours looking into it, didn't cost me a cent...

But can you read hieroglyphs? I can. I'm taking courses in Egyptology from the University of Manchester England (with real Egyptologists.) The symbols on that rock wall are sometimes copied from real texts but mostly copied from tourist junk. Many are not Egyptian hieroglyphs and many are written backwards. It wasn't a picture-rebus writing, as many people try to make it out to be.

Think of today's Chinese language with its hundreds of symbols. Egyptian hieroglyphs are similar to those.

Why fake it? These are called "pious frauds" in academic circles. en.wikipedia.org... - although they don't attempt to show a Biblical figure was involved, people are attempting to "prove" their ideas... and in some cases they're simply doing graffiti of their favorite symbols. Or favorite imagined symbols.

Also, the collection of symbols grew from the time that the park ranger discovered the perpetrator making the first symbols. People visited, added their own.

a reply to: Byrd

Chillax.
As I said before, I am still looking into this and you're right 1965-1983 created and the tunnel they found was also the work of a pranking Aussie.
Still pretty cool.
I can research


Now that's one down, about 3.000 more to find out about. You're invited to help, but I'm afraid there are no more hieroglyphs.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DAVID64

No. I just don't dismiss it.. If the hieroglyphs were fake how come there was a pathway discovered nearby? Scans showed it's leading to a grave.

And I spent hours looking into it, didn't cost me a cent...

But can you read hieroglyphs? I can. I'm taking courses in Egyptology from the University of Manchester England (with real Egyptologists.) The symbols on that rock wall are sometimes copied from real texts but mostly copied from tourist junk. Many are not Egyptian hieroglyphs and many are written backwards. It wasn't a picture-rebus writing, as many people try to make it out to be.

Think of today's Chinese language with its hundreds of symbols. Egyptian hieroglyphs are similar to those.

Why fake it? These are called "pious frauds" in academic circles. en.wikipedia.org... - although they don't attempt to show a Biblical figure was involved, people are attempting to "prove" their ideas... and in some cases they're simply doing graffiti of their favorite symbols. Or favorite imagined symbols.

Also, the collection of symbols grew from the time that the park ranger discovered the perpetrator making the first symbols. People visited, added their own.

Byrd,
A little of topic,but sisnce you brought up pious frauds, I have just read a couple of articles in a major regional news paper, from their native American History writer, and i have learned some interesting things.
There are a couple of rock inscriptions in the south east that appear to have been in non native american script and language and have been labeled pious frauds.
But new genetic evidence and newly acknowledged old world records show that one inscription is a hebrew marriage vow in Ladino and dates to the early 17th century.
In course of chasing down this rabbit hole I ran across a historian whom has found early 16th references to spanish jew and moor prospectors being in georgia and the carolinas, as early as the 1530's, exploiting the same gold and silver veins the maya were trading for.

And the genetic evidence shows that cherokee, in georgia, have a slighlty different DNA profile from there creek neighbors, and have small amounts of MtDna markers for shepardic jews and north africans(Moors), yet their neighbors dont and the cherokee in OK, have reduced amounts of those markers.

Im kinda trying to gather enough of the circmstantial evidence for the Cherokee being a tribe composed Creek and Ladino and Moorish ancestors, to do a thread on.
The notion that non catholics, escaping the tyrany of the Inqusition sought refuge in the new world, during earliest phases of settlement really changes how we should look at some of these anomolous inscriptions ,a nd maybe they arent all junk.

originally posted by: punkinworks10

A little of topic,but sisnce you brought up pious frauds, I have just read a couple of articles in a major regional news paper, from their native American History writer, and i have learned some interesting things.
There are a couple of rock inscriptions in the south east that appear to have been in non native american script and language and have been labeled pious frauds.
But new genetic evidence and newly acknowledged old world records show that one inscription is a hebrew marriage vow in Ladino and dates to the early 17th century.

That one doesn't make sense to me, but...

In course of chasing down this rabbit hole I ran across a historian whom has found early 16th references to spanish jew and moor prospectors being in georgia and the carolinas, as early as the 1530's, exploiting the same gold and silver veins the maya were trading for.

...but... until I looked it up, I would have seriously doubted gold and silver in Georgia and the Carolinas. Go figger.

And the genetic evidence shows that cherokee, in georgia, have a slighlty different DNA profile from there creek neighbors, and have small amounts of MtDna markers for shepardic jews and north africans(Moors), yet their neighbors dont and the cherokee in OK, have reduced amounts of those markers.

Intriguing.

Im kinda trying to gather enough of the circmstantial evidence for the Cherokee being a tribe composed Creek and Ladino and Moorish ancestors, to do a thread on.

You'll have to set up the timeframe... you mean, I assume, modern Cherokees?

The notion that non catholics, escaping the tyrany of the Inqusition sought refuge in the new world, during earliest phases of settlement really changes how we should look at some of these anomolous inscriptions ,a nd maybe they arent all junk.

Ye Skeptic looks forward to this. You've always got some delightful topics.

a reply to: Peeple

You might also give a second look at the "space suit" artifacts and ask yourself "does it really look like a space suit?"

You were told it "looks like a space suit" but why would someone from an advanced civilization be lumbering around in a bulky suit that's hard to wear?

a reply to: Peeple

Alternative solution's do exist, the obvious alien mask and ufo disc's are genuinely something to think about but the Isis statue complete with sun disc head dress may be more down to ancient ambassadorial link's between the ancient Chinese nation and ancient egypt, or even religious contact.
I like Klaus donna, don't agree 100 percent of the time though.

The Disc's, Alien's etc indicate either they have been here or visited a very long time and maybe they were actively worshiped as deity's by some tribe's and culture's, either way extremely interesting, some also believe that many UFO's are demonic or spiritual in nature so that must also be born in mind?, demonic and spiritual can also of course be re worded as other dimensional and the human race has always it seem's believed in Spririt's (other dimensional being's).

a reply to: frenchfries

Thanks for the video. That was very interesting.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Peeple

Alternative solution's do exist, the obvious alien mask and ufo disc's are genuinely something to think about but the Isis statue complete with sun disc head dress may be more down to ancient ambassadorial link's between the ancient Chinese nation and ancient egypt, or even religious contact.).

Its clearly an Alien grey, which is proof enough in itself of its fakery, in case you weren't aware, there was no such thing in Ufology until 1961

originally posted by: LABTECH767 The Disc's, Alien's etc indicate either they have been here or visited a very long time and maybe they were actively worshiped as deity's by some tribe's and culture's, either way extremely interesting, some also believe that many UFO's are demonic or spiritual in nature so that must also be born in mind?, demonic and spiritual can also of course be re worded as other dimensional and the human race has always it seem's believed in Spririt's (other dimensional being's).

Yup, or they are clearly modern fakes

a reply to: Marduk

I would be lying if I said you did not make a very good point, artifact's can indeed be counterfeit, however without proof it is a fake it will remain in the GREY area.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Marduk

I would be lying if I said you did not make a very good point, artifact's can indeed be counterfeit, however without proof it is a fake it will remain in the GREY area.

Without proof it is genuine, it is a fake

You do it the wrong way round

a reply to: Peeple

thanks for info about the stones, it is very interesting if they are true!

about india, there is a lot more going on than it is accepted by mainstream in my opinion also.

If you want some more additional information I would like to show this video from Graham Hancock (great guy, with really interesting opinions, check him out if you are interested in alternative history):


in my opinion India has a very reach hidden history, there are many different evidences pointing to that if you will do some research made by alternative researchers...
Old temples, caves and then there are probably lost cities or other buildings and artifacts under the sea as you mentioned...
one of the most telling are Ellora caves for me, personally. They are so perfectly made and carved right from the whole rock that it is really amazing feat, even by modern standards and still hard or maybe even impossible to duplicate!


buut I am not saying it was aliens...and have a different theory, maybe past civilization and forgotten technology or "mind over matter" in case of enlightened beings in more recent times.

well who knows...right?
I certainly don't know, but i have few guesses, hah.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DAVID64

This is a conspiracy site, right?

As they wanted to dig Australian officials immediately said: no.

Which "Australian Officials" exactly?

a reply to: Byrd

Well we do wear space-suits, don't we? That totally depends on what you think shamans tap into.
You can't know that, but I firmly believe the dreamlands, where we trip to, UFOS and all that are not extraterrestrial at all. So if I see something like that I have the strong feeling we look into our own future, or in this case present.

Also grey aliens look a lot like babies, don't they? Big heads, big eyes, fragile bodies with a bit odd proportions...
That's a bit off topic, just to clarify why I think it could be genuine. It's art. Sci-fi artifacts, if you will.
Memories from birth and the future, because to our eternal parts, soul, or collective subconscious, what have you, time is irrelevant.

a reply to: UniFinity

Hancock, Bauval, van Däniken, etc. always rub me the wrong way. I always feel like they're doing the woo-archeology more harm than good.
That's what I liked about the presentation of Dona, he doesn't seem to be so biased, more curious.
But that's just me, wtf do I know, right?
Luckily I can watch him in German. His English is also driving me nuts, I always hear legions, when he says legends.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: UniFinity

Hancock, Bauval, van Däniken, etc. always rub me the wrong way. I always feel like they're doing the woo-archeology more harm than good.
That's what I liked about the presentation of Dona, he doesn't seem to be so biased, more curious.
But that's just me, wtf do I know, right?
Luckily I can watch him in German. His English is also driving me nuts, I always hear legions, when he says legends.

I hate to break it to you like this, but Klaus Dona is a well known fraud and hoaxer, he got totally busted a few years ago about "the genetic disc"
full explanation here

a reply to: Marduk

He is art exhibition curator. As I see it that's what he does.

a reply to: Peeple

haha legions...thats funny.

yeah I know what you mean about the rub. I have it also for others you mentioned, but Hancock seems okey ... for me.
I like about him, that he admits and knows he don't know for sure, but evidence seem to point to this and that. He at least seems honest and curious to find out real story behind history.

a lot like Dona seems to be, from your posts and opinion...

well, for me personally newearth on youtube is the best source on alternative history and her voice is also funny sometimes, but always sweet : )
I think she is russian or from ukraine...
Also her site is megaliths.org...

another russian guy A.Koltypin, but this time from formal university student and scientists.
earthbeforeflood.com...
about him:
earthbeforeflood.com...

check them out, if you want...

I use to watch this stuff way back.

Sadly his artifacts are hoaxes but I know that doesn't matter if you want to believe it's cool, I don't pay for your pineapples.

originally posted by: UniFinitybut Hancock seems okey ... for me.
I like about him, that he admits and knows he don't know for sure, but evidence seem to point to this and that. He at least seems honest and curious to find out real story behind history.

Would you like evidence that Hancock lies for profit, or would you prefer to live on in ignorant bliss that you are constantly being fooled