What Happens To the Mentally Disabled If Our Spirits Live On

Hello all,

I'm on the fence as far as belief in the afterlife goes, though I hope there is one.

Anyhow, I hear people say physical disabilities disappear in the afterlife but what about those who have mental disabilities? If a persons mental state suddenly goes from one of retardation to what'd be classed as a ''normal'' working mind in the afterlife then that person's personality would be completely different, now this might be a good thing in many cases but what if the person who had the mental disability was happy with who they were and didn't want to change? What law decides at what level the mind would need 'refiltering' to? Surely a choice like that should be down to the individual but then how could that person choose what's best for them if their mental disability didn't allow it? In that case would it mean that someone would need to step in and choose for that person? I think whatever the answer is it could raise a fair few ethical questions.

Anyhow, I don't see much talk about this side of things and was just curious what people thought.

Take care

I think whatever challenges one faces here during their time on this plant, whether mental or physical, is meant to be a challenge for this life.

Then we all go back to normal and take on our next step or challenge once our time here ends and we arrive back home.

0rbital

The brain is not the soul. The brain is a physical thing that is fallible.

a reply to: 0rbital

I work with Intellectually/Developmentally disabled folks.
Truly.

but what if the person who had the mental disability was happy with who they were and didn't want to change?

Most that I know are NOT happy to be in the condition they are in. They long to be 'normal' and work hard every day to 'fit in' with the 'normal' folks.

They look at the rest of us with a longing for something unattainable that, IMO, we can never understand.

My belief is that there are many journeys and that the current one we are on is just one of many.
Well, that's what I believe today.
It changes frequently.

Interesting topic!


To add: I don't, personally, believe that we take out 'physicalness' with us when we leave this earth.

a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat


I only meant the mind itself, not the brain.

originally posted by: 0rbital
a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat


I only meant the mind itself, not the brain.

How can you separate them in a physical world?

a reply to: TNMockingbird

See now i know why you are such a sweetheart that's very altruistic and respectable, thank you for your service to our society. As to the OP I think this is the only shot we got, and I was talking to my very depressed best friend last night who has been drinking as well, and he was questioning his faith, he declared," well if there is no God life has no meaning" and I said," rick, I am not going to try to convince you out of your faith nor would I want to, but I will say this, The chances of actually living a human life are so astronomical that we can't even conceive of the odds, for this fact alone life and your life is the most valuable and precious thing we have"

In what I have read many people who have managed to communicate from the other side (suspending disbelief here for the sake of the argument) say that they can think much more clearly and faster, and that advanced concepts that eluded them on Earth (advanced math, for example) have become clear. That would seem to indicate that our "disabilities," including mental ones, do not carry forward, or are at least repairable.

As to why anyone would want to experience life with disabilities, I do not understand, but that is often the explanation that is given. I'm afraid I suspect the greater scheme of things is not at all democratic and that this "system" is a bit totalitarian, i.e.: Our ego and personalities are unimportant to the "soul" that wants to experience life. That kind of pisses me off, but this is not my soul talking here.

originally posted by: TNMockingbird

They look at the rest of us with a longing for something unattainable that, IMO, we can never understand.

It's truly sad, the deep hole they must feel inside them.

Then you have people with down syndrome, these are some of the warmest, loving, freindliest people I've ever met and I've seen no hint from them that they want to be as other ''normal'' people (I really dislike using the word normal, really there is no normal but I'll use it to fit the purpose of point)

I like that your belief changes frequently because the truth is that we can believe but we don't really ''know'', no one does.

a reply to: TechniXcality

Thank you my handsome Texan friend!

Love and (hugs) to you!

You are so wise, it is refreshing!



(beat you at Chess soon! LOL)

originally posted by: TechniXcality
". . . well if there is no God life has no meaning"

When I completely stepped out of the "God Circle" - - I felt so much more alive, and felt life had so much more meaning.

I felt I had been hindered by making life about someone else, for a reward at the end. Life became vibrant with meaning that I was a real part of it and what I did mattered.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: 0rbital
a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat


I only meant the mind itself, not the brain.

How can you separate them in a physical world?

You can't, Annee. I mean in the afterlife. I picture the brain as a container and when we die we're free from our container, when I say mind I mean consciousness which is what I perceive the soul as, consciousness without physical barriers. If we're in for a big change in consciousness when we move on it's like we've lived our whole lives as someone else, like our whole lives were a lie.

a reply to: 0rbital

It's actually very simple.

Your body is not you, you are more than the sum of your parts. That extra is your soul.

Your body is like a remote controlled toy, some of us have perfect cars and controllers, some of us have messed up cars that don't work right, or the controller can't properly send the commands you want it to correctly.

Once they put down the broken controller or turn off the broken toy car, they still operate perfectly.

I believe everyone has a soul which creates a spirit which goes on to a next existence which is mostly like dreams (or nightmares). The mind is part of the spirit and it's all intangible stuff driven by hardware which is shed at the end of a life. Mental problems may shroud the spirit but it never gets destroyed or broken, more like temporarily disabled or diminished somehow.

That's all the domain of the physical. It may be difficult to see the spirit in some people both the innocent and the evil but it's there somewhere. Anyone reasoning different I think is just out for control over another for many reasons like being able to exploit one or for a sense of security which comes with control or just because they don't know any better.

originally posted by: 0rbital

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: 0rbital
a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat


I only meant the mind itself, not the brain.

How can you separate them in a physical world?

You can't, Annee. I mean in the afterlife. I picture the brain as a container and when we die we're free from our container, when I say mind I mean consciousness which is what I perceive the soul as, consciousness without physical barriers. If we're in for a big change in consciousness when we move on it's like we've lived our whole lives as someone else, like our whole lives were a lie.

OK. That's pretty much what I believe.

I believe everything is energy. That individual thought energies evolved from the One over billions of years. That there are "layers" upon "layers" upon "layers" of created worlds, of many kinds including physical thought creations. Basically everything is a energy thought creation.

So, I do believe the energy consciousness is pure. That does not mean benevolent. But, in energy form you can't hide your true nature.

Physical? Basically you throw all the ingredients in a big pot and stir - - - the chances of perfection are slim.

We're learning more and more that the brain is the "harddrive" of who a physical human is.

Your pure consciousness works with the tool its given, and how its wired. Its frustrating to know in your mind you have capabilities, but the tool is imperfect.

a reply to: 0rbital

I have heard some people describe our brains as things that register or process our spirits. So a mental disability is maybe like a faulty processor. So, we the information, are not our faulty brains.

Although, I don't know how I feel about everything that is classified as "mental disability".

a reply to: 0rbital

It's not their spirit that's disabled, it's their bodies. Because of their disabled bodies they are Autistic, have Down's Syndrome, or are Intellectually Disabled (formally known as Mentally Retarded).

a reply to: 0rbital

A lot of mental disabilities are caused by physical impairments in the brain. When one died, these would go away and they would be free to be themselves.

Ever go through a patch of life where you're overwhelmed with problems and concerns, bad guys on every corner, no plan to get out of a mess and everything generally sucks?
Ever go to bed one night and after hours of tossing and turning, you finally fall away into a coma-sleep; then when you wake up the next morning, before your brain has time to remember just how messed up everything is, you feel wonderful, renewed, even if only for a few minutes?

That's kind of how I picture the afterlife; you are free of all bodily concerns, including the tragedy of disease and a disfunctioning body; it transcends intellect, culture and language. It's an earned and sincere liberation that touches every person equally.

I think..... I hope....... When our eyes close for the final time in this life... Some other time, some other place, We open them. We open them and the smell of bacon fills our senses, and we look around at our surroundings very confused. And as we make our way downstairs and see our mom making us breakfast.... we look at her, looking just the way we remember her and say.. " mom, I had the weirdest dream"

I hope very much we can access time at any point of our lives.... I hope that is what deja vu is.......