Ultra High Definition (4K) Crew Earth Observations

Stunning fisheye lens footage.

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originally posted by: SemperFried
Why can we see objects over distances larger then 30 miles when they should be completely obscured by the Earth's curvature?

You can if you are not at ground level. Or if what you're seeing is tall enough to be visible.

Why does the horizon always rise to eye level?

It doesn't. Step outside and look again, mindful of what you're actually seeing and not just going from your memory of what you see. You may have to have some sort of pole marked at your eye level a few feet away - there seems to also be a sort of moon-on-the-horizon visual adjustment going on. It may be more apparent in photographs than in looking at the thing as well. Your eyes do all sorts of adjustments to what you're seeing, e.g. the moon on the horizon doesn't change size and is no larger than when it's overhead. But it looks like it does. And that one's pretty much impossible to overcome by just knowing it.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
...this is supposed to be UltraHD, are you telling us they STILL can't produce a decent enough camera with all their Trillions spent that would rectify this situation ??

Resolution is not dynamic range. They're actually sort of inversely related, the smaller the pixel in the camera, the less area you've got for light sensing, and the worse the dark noise is.

You also have to ask 'why would we spend another huge wad of money to develop a CCD or whatever with a huge dynamic range just to take shots of Earth out the cupola that show Earth and stars'. Because I can't come up with a need for it.

originally posted by: SemperFried
Why can we see objects over distances larger then 30 miles when they should be completely obscured by the Earth's curvature?

Have you ever looked at the Moon? Do you see it is round? Why do you think it goes through a crescent phase? Could it be a sphere?

Have you ever watched Jupiter through a good telescope? Did you realize you can watch some of the larger moons going around the planet over time? Could it be a sphere?

Have you ever paid any least attention to the motions of the planets, and how orbits work? I realize that it involves math, but it's the sort of thing most people can pick up. You'll find that the planets are moving around the Sun. And so are we.

a reply to: Bedlam

Have you ignored what I said completely? Yes you did for some reason. Did I mention any of those things?

a reply to: Bedlam

You can if you are not at ground level. Or if what you're seeing is tall enough to be visible.

I am talking about cases in which these variables are taken into account, objects simply are visible when they shouldn't be.

You really think you can simply dismiss what I am saying?

It doesn't.

It does, there is no debate about this.

originally posted by: SemperFried
a reply to: Bedlam

Have you ignored what I said completely? Yes you did for some reason. Did I mention any of those things?

No, but I did. And they refute your flat earth-no planets thing totally.

originally posted by: SemperFried
a reply to: Bedlam

You can if you are not at ground level. Or if what you're seeing is tall enough to be visible.

I am talking about cases in which these variables are taken into account, objects simply are visible when they shouldn't be.

How tall are the buildings you can see? Do you even know which buildings in Toronto are supposedly visible? And from what point? Start there.

"someone said so at some point on youtube" isn't going to cut, either. You're going to need specifics.

originally posted by: SemperFried

You really think you can simply dismiss what I am saying?

Pretty much, yeah. The earth isn't flat.

originally posted by: Kromlech
Stunning fisheye lens footage.

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If it was a fisheye lens then everything would be visibly warped and objects nearer to the edges of the lens would appear more warped in relation to objects in and around the center of the lens. Also the object near the lens which is part of the station would be similarly warped but i suppose you will say that was green screened or something like that.

originally posted by: SemperFried
a reply to: Bedlam

You can if you are not at ground level. Or if what you're seeing is tall enough to be visible.

I am talking about cases in which these variables are taken into account, objects simply are visible when they shouldn't be.

You really think you can simply dismiss what I am saying?

How about showing a example of this.

a reply to: Bedlam

The ISS "float" not high enough to capture such a beautiful curve... This view must be taken with a fish-eye lens. We do not want to feel fooled and thats is why the normal view would show a flat Earth.

And that is something we, earthlings do not want to see...We need to know the Earth is has a beautiful curve to it...of course.

originally posted by: zatara
a reply to: Bedlam

The ISS "float" not high enough to capture such a beautiful curve...

Sure it does. You'll note that they don't show you a spherical Earth with the entire globe in the pic. The reason they're pointing the camera at the edge is to show the curve. But if you look straight down, no, it's too close to show the whole thing. And they don't.

eta: Why do you think the Earth is flat, when it's obvious the other celestial bodies are not? By a direct observation YOU can do, at that.

What do you think happens at the edge? Why do the oceans not simply pour off? How do people sail around the world? Or fly? How do you explain sundown?

originally posted by: everyone
How about showing a example of this.

There's a lot of "I've heard you can" and "someone once took this picture" out there. But it's hard to come up with a good pic taken from a known vantage point so you can specifically state "this picture was taken from this point at a height of six feet and shows x y and z buildings in Toronto"

Without that, you can't nail down the goalposts. And believe me, they'll be sliding around like mad when you start doing the spherical trig for them.

a reply to: Bedlam

Hi Bedlam, no I do not think the Earth is flat. I like to poke tho and push a button or two... Just all in good fun. The other thing is that I like to keep an open mind.

I hope you agree with me that NASA isn't telling us always the truth. Then it is hard to know when a lier is telling the truth. Being an ATS member for almost 10 years it is clear to me that what we read in the news papers, watch on TV and are being taught in school is not Always how the real world is like. So... for now I stick with my guns that the Earth is a globe. But it would not surprise me if it turns out to be flat afterall.

I am aware we are a little off topic but we are here to educate eachother and have a good time....so mods..indulge us. You have legit questions ands I recommend to watch the work of Mark Sargent and Eric Dubay on YouTube. They will answer all such obvious questions you have.. Here, let me help you a little.

Today with cgi it seems more people fall for the flat earth theory because they believe the videos and pics have been faked for those people here is a video with an explanation of video proving the earth is a globe as well as the reason they couldn't be faked.

a reply to: zatara

Eric Dubay...you can't be serious?

Flat Earth...you can't be serious?

a reply to: SemperFried

Why can we see objects over distances larger then 30 miles when they should be completely obscured by the Earth's curvature?

We can see for over 100 km, provided the land features are tall enough. The Earth curves away very gently.

Here's my photo of the coast of North Africa as seen from Spain, from approx 160 km away:



Notably, it looked like a chain of large islands rather than a continuous strip of land, signifying that what you're looking at are the monutains, and that the coast itself was below the horizon.

During my latest holiday in Spain, I was looking at the sea horizon, and suddenly wondered why it looks so clear-cut, with absolutely no atmospheric haze that usually affects distant land and gives us the clue about how far things are. Then I realised it's so because of the curvature of the Earth: the sea/ocean is so relatively flat that even the slight curvature that occurs some 10 or 20 km distant will hide the surface below the horizon.

Well I noticed something here...

Are some of you so stuck on everything being a conspiracy that you can't see the beauty of the planet you live on because you refuse to understand not everything is a conspiracy?

I am amazed that at a time when we are looking to travel the heavens, some of you want to act as though we are still in 250 BC...Which btw was a time when even those without any way to fly to the heavens knew the Earth was round.

As for this being a fisheye lense...that's just too laughable.

originally posted by: wildespace
We can see for over 100 km, provided the land features are tall enough. The Earth curves away very gently.

I hope he comes back and names the location from which Toronto's skyline can be seen across the lake. It's a long lake. And it being a Flat Earther, if he DOESN'T pin down the thing, whereever I choose randomly will be the wrong place after he's proven wrong.

The issues are several -

1) from where are you supposedly able to take the pictures of Toronto?
2) How many and which buildings seem to be visible?
3) What is the altitude of downtown Toronto and the altitude of the vantage point? (another reason to know the place the photo was taken)

Toronto's a big city. And there are many buildings that are more than tall enough to be seen at 30 miles. There's 60 some-odd buildings taller than 450 feet in downtown Toronto. Depending on the relative height of where the photo was taken, 450 feet above lake level will be right at the horizon at 30 miles. So, yeah, you can see every big downtown "skyline" building from a 30 mile point across the lake, unless the vantage point is in a hole. I'm assuming the lake's level with the vantage point of the photographer, and I know that downtown toronto is about 150 feet above the level of the lake. So even the shorter buildings in the 'top 65' will show from a 30 mile distance across the lake, as their tops will be at about 600 feet relative to the photographer.

So the entire 'oo Toronto's skyline is visible' is pretty much sacked as a point. Of COURSE you can see it, if the air's clear enough. Because the tops of the taller buildings will be poking over the horizon.

But I bet he doesn't come back. Pity.