Atheist Drops Lawsuit Against Texas Church Building America's Tallest Cross

a reply to: DeathSlayer

non believers on this site are allowed to insult and degrade people of faith with no worry of banishment.

Questioning your religion is not insulting and degrading you.

Good, that idiot lost the suit. It shouldn't even have gone to court. Screw these militant atheists, there as bad as muslim extremists.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: DeathSlayer

non believers on this site are allowed to insult and degrade people of faith with no worry of banishment.

Questioning your religion is not insulting and degrading you.

Correct ........ however it is HOW and the TONE being used...... surely you know how this works. No reason to have to look between the lines its blatant.

originally posted by: Konduit
One thing that pisses me off more than religious nutters, are militant atheists.

The only thing that pisses me off is people calling others atheists and others calling themselves atheists. That is how corrupt Christians take control the world. It is called the blame game. In before "Do not judge others". Treat other like you want to be treated.

Jesus doesn't approve with propaganda and false crusades.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: DeathSlayer

non believers on this site are allowed to insult and degrade people of faith with no worry of banishment.

Questioning your religion is not insulting and degrading you.

Correct ........ however it is HOW and the TONE being used...... surely you know how this works. No reason to have to look between the lines its blatant.

If the question is valid, neither the tone or degree matter.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
Today is the sabbath..... at least for me.

OK.

Should I give up on you? Well I will not, there is hope.....

Give up on me? What are you "hoping" to do to me?

I truly love atheist and other non believers....... I really do.

OK.

The information provided this evening came from reliable sources and not from me.

I am not doubting the information. It's a matter of public record.

The rest of your post is you complaining about the unfairness you feel exists here. Take it up with the mods.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: Klassified

Maybe with some luck it will illuminate at night and light up your neighborhood as you grind your teeth.

You think having an illuminated cross near me would bother me? Lol! The biblical Jesus was not crucified on a cross...

The Greek word generally translated “cross” is stau·rosʹ. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·rosʹ] never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle . . . There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”

In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xyʹlon. (Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”

The apostle Paul says: “Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hung upon a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’” (Galatians 3:13) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23, which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross.

There is no evidence that for the first 300 years after Christ’s death, those claiming to be Christians used the cross in worship. In the fourth century, however, pagan Emperor Constantine became a convert to apostate Christianity and promoted the cross as its symbol.

And lastly...

The cross is, in fact, pagan in origin. The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures.” Various other authorities have linked the cross with nature worship and pagan sex rites.

Linky (In case you're concerned with the source, instead of the information, you can find all of this information on many websites. This was just convenient, and all in one place.)

Even Tertullian said: "Crosses, moreover, we Christians neither venerate nor wish for. You indeed who consecrate gods of wood venerate wooden crosses, perhaps as parts of your gods. For your very standards, as well as your banners, and flags of your camps, what are they but crosses gilded and adorned? Your victorious trophies not only imitate the appearance of a simple cross, but also that of a man affixed to it."

Put up all the crosses you want DS.

a reply to: Vector99

Give up on me? What are you "hoping" to do to me?

Not what I do to you but that you receive .....everlasting life ....... to live an eternity with the one true God and creator of all. Sounds pretty good instead of going into non-existence.....

Isn't there someone you love who you would love to spend eternity with?

I would be honored to spend eternity with you but you will need to change your faith BUT the resurrection is a gift and can not be earned. It is my hope you will see the resurrection........ NOT reincarnation because THAT does NOT exist.

If I am wrong you can kick me in the ass for all eternity but if the bible is right...... you will be nowhere found.

Hell is NOT for eternity ...... one day it will be destroyed along with everyone in it.


going to bed........old man.....tired...

a reply to: DeathSlayer

you replied to me with someone else's words.

But in sincerity, I do not believe in your god, nor would I ever believe in it. Your god is not a kind god. Your god seems to take pleasure in tormenting it's creations.

You want me to believe in and worship something that does that? Sorry pal.

originally posted by: Watcher777
As long as the cross doesn't violate any building codes why would this guy care? If someone wanted to put up a 230 foot pentagram they should be able to also. That may be extreme for some, but if it is their property and there are no building codes or ordinances have at it.

Because he is one of the atheists bent on controlling the US ? Making everyone accept him and his anti-religion ? I got news for goofy . Christians already do accept the atheists as a group . Its the control freaks that they are against
Peace.

So
This is how Christians show love, this is how Christians express Jesus into the community, by building some oversized representation of the cross
Hell, that's surely going to win souls, that's going to share Jesus message of love, feeding the poor, loving the unloved, that's going to show gods mercy to mankind, a great big cross.

What's wrong with the church, it's not supposed to antagonize people, it's supposed to love people
Jesus Himself didn't go around building temples, constructing public works, Jesus went around rebuilding people's lives not crucifixes everywhere, Christ never built one crucifix His entire life
His message was love not construction.

Stupid christians sometimes

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: Klassified

Maybe with some luck it will illuminate at night and light up your neighborhood as you grind your teeth.

You think having an illuminated cross near me would bother me? Lol! The biblical Jesus was not crucified on a cross...

The Greek word generally translated “cross” is stau·rosʹ. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·rosʹ] never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle . . . There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”

In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xyʹlon. (Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”

The apostle Paul says: “Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hung upon a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’” (Galatians 3:13) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23, which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross.

There is no evidence that for the first 300 years after Christ’s death, those claiming to be Christians used the cross in worship. In the fourth century, however, pagan Emperor Constantine became a convert to apostate Christianity and promoted the cross as its symbol.

And lastly...

The cross is, in fact, pagan in origin. The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures.” Various other authorities have linked the cross with nature worship and pagan sex rites.

Linky (In case you're concerned with the source, instead of the information, you can find all of this information on many websites. This was just convenient, and all in one place.)

Even Tertullian said: "Crosses, moreover, we Christians neither venerate nor wish for. You indeed who consecrate gods of wood venerate wooden crosses, perhaps as parts of your gods. For your very standards, as well as your banners, and flags of your camps, what are they but crosses gilded and adorned? Your victorious trophies not only imitate the appearance of a simple cross, but also that of a man affixed to it."

Put up all the crosses you want DS.

Spoken like a true Jehovah Witness

I don't think it matters the skin colour of Christ, nor the means of His death, only that He was who He was and He died for our sins.
Great argument the validity of the cross but truthfully irrelevant, Christ was hung. It was prophesied

a reply to: Raggedyman

Christ was hung. It was prophesied

Prophesied where, exactly?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Raggedyman

Christ was hung. It was prophesied

Prophesied where, exactly?

Uhhmmm, in the bible, exactly

Don't be lazy, you have google, put some effort in.

This can be a chance to learn to study the bible and not be told what to accept from it

a reply to: Raggedyman

Uhhmmm, in the bible, exactly

Uhhmmm, no it isn't. Prove me wrong.

a reply to: Konduit

I guess you are ok with militant Homosexuals and Lesbians?

Oh my off topic sorry.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Raggedyman

Uhhmmm, in the bible, exactly

Uhhmmm, no it isn't. Prove me wrong.

Uhhmmm, no, I don't have to

Oh wait I do, I made a statement, defined
Like if I was saying evolution is a scientific fact
You come back with a question, maybe asking for evidence, empirical
The onus is on me to show the evidence or you can assume I am a liar as I can't produce the evidence

This is my issue with evolutionists,
They make a statement
I ask for empirical evidence
and they run

I make a statement
You ask for proof
It's in Deuteronomy, don't remember exactly where

It does seem I may be wrong, thanks

a reply to: Raggedyman

This is what you claimed.

Christ was hung. It was prophesied

It's in Deuteronomy

No it isn't. Prove me wrong.

a reply to: windwordyou must understand you look for an exact word "crucified ona cross" to prove it was prophecied. But what you don't want is to compare spiritual things to spiritual which would required study and reading and rereadng the Bible. But many forshadowings of Christ are found throughout scripture. But that would take time and study and you being of this instant generation want it now with no study. No study no wisdom only empty headed knowledge that profits nothing.

1. Sold for Thirty Pieces of Silver

Prophecy: Zechariah 11:12 And I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages.

Fulfillment: Matthew 26:14-15 Then one of the twelve, named Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests, 15 and said, “What are you willing to give me to deliver Him up to you?” And they weighed out to him thirty pieces of silver.
2. Betrayed By a Friend

Prophecy: Psalm 55:12-14 For it is not an enemy who reproaches me, Then I could bear it; Nor is it one who hates me who has exalted himself against me, Then I could hide myself from him. 13 But it is you, a man my equal, My companion and my familiar friend. 14 We who had sweet fellowship together, Walked in the house of God in the throng. (See also Psalm 41:9; Zech 13:6).

Fulfillment: Matthew 26:49-50 And immediately he went to Jesus and said, “Hail, Rabbi!” and kissed Him. 50 And Jesus said to him, “Friend, do what you have come for.” Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and seized Him.
3. The Money Cast to the Potter

Prophecy: Zechariah 11:13 Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Fulfillment: Matthew 27:5-7 And he threw the pieces of silver into the sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. 6 And the chief priests took the pieces of silver and said, “It is not lawful to put them into the temple treasury, since it is the price of blood.” 7 And they counseled together and with the money bought the Potter’s Field as a burial place for strangers.

NOTE: Notice that in both prophecy and fulfillment we find stated that (1) it was silver; (2) there were 30 pieces (Matt. 27:3); (3) they were thrown down; (4) they were cast down in the House of the Lord; and (5) the money was used to purchase the potter’s field.
4. The Disciples Forsook Him

Prophecy: Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, And against the man, My Associate," Declares the LORD of hosts. "Strike the Shepherd that the sheep may be scattered; And I will turn My hand against the little ones.

Fulfillment: Matthew 26:56 “But all this has taken place that the Scriptures of the prophets may be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples left Him and fled. (See also Mark 14:27)
5. Accused by False Witnesses

Prophecy: Psalm 35:11 Malicious witnesses rise up; They ask me of things that I do not know.

Fulfillment: Matthew 26:59-60 Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain false testimony against Jesus, in order that they might put Him to death; and they did not find any, even though many false witnesses came forward. But later on two came forward, . . .
6. Smitten and Spit Upon

Prophecy: Isaiah 50:6 I gave My back to those who strike Me, And My cheeks to those who pluck out the beard; I did not cover My face from humiliation and spitting.

Fulfillment: Matthew 27:30 And they spat on Him, and took the reed and began to beat Him on the head.

NOTE: Note here the details that correspond in both prophecy and fulfillment (1) He was to be smitten, (2) He was to be smitten on the face (as well as the other parts of the body). See Luke 22:64. (3) He was to be spit upon, and (4) He was to be spitten upon in the face.
7. Dumb Before His Accusers

Prophecy: Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth.

Fulfillment: Matthew 27:12-14 And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He made no answer. Then Pilate said to Him, “Do You not hear how many things they testify against You?” And He did not answer him with regard to even a single charge, so that the governor was quite amazed.
8. Wounded and Bruised

Prophecy: Isaiah 53:5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.

Fulfillment: Matthew 27:26, 29 Then he released Barabbas for them; but after having Jesus scourged, he delivered Him to be crucified. . . . And after weaving a crown of thorns, they put it on His head, and a reed in His right hand; and they kneeled down before Him and mocked Him, saying, “Hail, King of the Jews!”
9. Fell Under the Cross

Prophecy: Psalm 109:24 My knees are weak from fasting; And my flesh has grown lean, without fatness.

Fulfillment: John 19:17 They took Jesus therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha. Luke 23:26 And when they led Him away, they laid hold of one Simon of Cyrene, coming in from the country, and placed on him the cross to carry behind Jesus.

NOTE: Evidently the Lord was so weak that His knees gave way under the weight of the heavy cross. So they had to put it on another.
10. Hands and Feet Pierced

Prophecy: Psalm 22:16 For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet.

Fulfillment: Luke 23:33 And when they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left.

NOTE: Christ was crucified in the customary Roman manner, the hands and feet being pierced by huge spikes which fastened the body to the wooden cross. See John 20:25-27 “ . . . except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails . . . Then said He (Jesus) to Thomas, reach hither thy finger and behold My hands,” etc.
11. Crucified with Thieves

Prophecy: Isaiah 53:12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, And He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out Himself to death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors.

Fulfillment: Mark 15:27-28 And they crucified two robbers with Him, one on His right and one on His left. 28 (And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "And He was numbered with transgressors.")
12. Prayed For His Persecutors

Prophecy: Isaiah 53:12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, And He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out Himself to death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors. (emphasis mine)

Fulfillment: Luke 23:34 But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.

Here Jesus, as foreseen by Isaiah, “interceded for the transgressors” who nailed him to the cross.

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13. People Shook Their Heads

Prophecy: Psalm 109:25 I also have become a reproach to them; When they see me, they wag their head.

Fulfillment: Matthew 27:39 And those passing by were hurling abuse at Him, wagging their heads.
14. People Ridiculed Him

Prophecy: Psalm 22:8 “Commit yourself to the LORD; let Him deliver him; Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.”

Fulfillment: Matthew 27:41-43 In the same way the chief priests also, along with the scribes and elders, were mocking Him, and saying, 42 “He saved others; He cannot save Himself. He is the King of Israel; let Him now come down from the cross, and we shall believe in Him. 43 “He trusts in God; let Him deliver Him now, if He takes pleasure in Him; for He said, ‘I am the Son of God.’”
15. People Astonished

Prophecy: Psalm 22:17 I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me;

Fulfillment: Luke 23:35 And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One.”
16. Garments Parted and Lots Cast

Prophecy: Psalm 22:18 They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.

Fulfillment: John 19:23-24 The soldiers therefore, when they had crucified Jesus, took His outer garments and made four parts, a part to every soldier and also the tunic; now the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece. 24 They said therefore to one another, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, to decide whose it shall be”; that the Scripture might be fulfilled, “They divided My outer garments among them, and for My clothing they cast lots.”

NOTE: How exact the inspired prophecy! The garments were to be parted among them, but the vesture was to be awarded to one by lots. These were statements that would appear almost contradictory unless explained by the record of the scene at the cross.
17. His Forsaken Cry

Prophecy: Psalm 22:1 For the choir director; upon Aijeleth Hashshahar. A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.

Fulfillment: Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? “that is, “ My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me ?”
18. Gall and Vinegar Given Him

Prophecy: Psalm 69:21 They also gave me gall for my food, And for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

Fulfillment: John 19:28-29 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, in order that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop, and brought it up to His mouth.
19. Committed Himself to God

Prophecy: Psalm 31:5 Into Thy hand I commit my spirit; Thou hast ransomed me, O LORD, God of truth.

Fulfillment: Luke 23:46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into Thy hands I commit My spirit.” And having said this, He breathed His last.
20. Friends Stood Afar Off

Prophecy: Psalm 38:11 My loved ones and my friends stand aloof from my plague; And my kinsmen stand afar off.

Fulfillment: Luke 23:49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee, were standing at a distance, seeing these things.
21. Bones Not Broken

Prophecy: Psalm 34:20 He keeps all his bones; Not one of them is broken.

Fulfillment: John 19:33, 36 but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs; . . . 36 For these things came to pass, that the Scripture might be fulfilled,” Not a bone of Him shall be broken. “

NOTE: It is profitable to notice two other prophecies concerning His bones which undoubtedly had an exact fulfillment, although such is not stated in Scripture in so many words. We draw our conclusions from honest inference. (1) Psalm 22:14 “All my bones are out of joint.” Hanging on the cross by the hands and feet would easily disjoint the bones, especially when we remember that the body was fixed to the frame while lying on the ground. (2) Psalm 22:17 “I may tell all My bones.” He was left hanging on the cross naked (John 19:23) and all His bones could thus easily be seen. The extension of the body and the wasting pangs of crucifixion would make the bones more prominent than usual.
22. Heart Broken

Prophecy: Psalm 22:14 I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within me.

Fulfillment: John 19:34 but one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately there came out blood and water.

NOTE: The blood and water running out of the pierced side presented an evidence that the heart had literally burst.
23. His Side Pierced

Prophecy: Zechariah 12:10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a first-born.

Fulfillment: John 19:34-37 but one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately there came out blood and water. 35 And he who has seen has borne witness, and his witness is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you also may believe. 36 For these things came to pass, that the Scripture might be fulfilled,” Not a bone of Him shall be broken. “ 37 And again another Scripture says, “They shall look on Him whom they pierced.”
24. Darkness Over the Land

Prophecy: Amos 8:9 “And it will come about in that day,” declares the Lord GOD, “That I shall make the sun go down at noon And make the earth dark in broad daylight.

Fulfillment: Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour.

NOTE: The Jews reckoned twelve hours from sunrise to sunset. This would make the sixth hour about noon, and the ninth hour near three o’clock.
25. Buried in a Rich Man’s Tomb

Prophecy: Isaiah 53:9 His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

Fulfillment: Matthew 27:57-60 And when it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered it to be given over to him. 59 And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away.