Sophia the Goddess and Holy Spirit

a reply to: Parazurvan

Freemasonry is a veil and unoriginal in every sense. The Trinosophists were those who study three sciences, hence the trinity. The triangle consists of three sides, one being the mineral kingdom, another the vegetable kingdom and the third and final side representing the animal kingdom, in that order. Trinosophia implies a triple meaning to the book itself that can only be interpreted correctly by using three keys of Logos. Alchemy, Cabbalism and Hermetism (which ones are left for you to figure out).

The Rosicrucians were a bunch of posers, who like the Freemasons, re-veiled the influential wisdom that had been previously imparted. Like you said earlier, if Rosicrucian literature made your head spin, deciphering it only alludes to another layer of allegory that has little to do with their teachings. Bacon did nothing more than convolute the already veiled mysteries, for better or worse in relation to his position at the time.

Here's a hint for the source of each key...

"The various texts are written in Chaldean Hebrew, Ionic Greek, Arabic, Syriac, cuneiform, Greek hieroglyphics, and ideographs. The keynote throughout this material is that of the approach of the age when the Leg of the Grand Man and the Waterman of the Zodiac shall meet in conjunction at the equinox and end a grand 400,000-year cycle. This points to a culmination of eons, as mentioned in the Apocalypse: "Behold! I make a new heaven and a new earth," meaning a series of new cycles and a new humanity.

a reply to: Parazurvan

Sophia is the Greek word for wisdom.

Wisdom is generally regarded as having good judgement about the application of knowledge. An example would be knowing the recipe for a deadly poison, but choosing not to pass that knowledge to anyone around you.

Sophia is also a common Greek female name, as wisdom is a desired attribute by all human cultures.

The Hebrew scriptures use the poetic allegory of of wisdom as a female companion through life (Proverbs 1:20 and onward). We know that this is allegorical because it states earlier (in Proverbs 1:7) the "Fear of the Lord (YHWH) is the beginning of wisdom" (It is obvious that a goddess was not made out of fear of the Lord) and, in the same chapter, wisdom is compared to an opposite allegorical "deceiving prostitute" which leads the unwise astray.

The word is used extensively in Greek translations of Scriptures.

At the time of the original writing of the Gospels, there was no Greek goddess or angel called "Sophia".

The fact that Gnostic tradition has invented a goddess and pantheon in which she allegedly resides, claiming ancient roots where none exist, demonstrates their ignorance rather than their knowledge (Gnosos) and is fairly typical (if you just made it up, it isn't knowledge, is it? It's fiction).

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Parazurvan

Sophia is the Greek word for wisdom.

Wisdom is generally regarded as having good judgement about the application of knowledge. An example would be knowing the recipe for a deadly poison, but choosing not to pass that knowledge to anyone around you.

Sophia is also a common Greek female name, as wisdom is a desired attribute by all human cultures.

The Hebrew scriptures use the poetic allegory of of wisdom as a female companion through life (Proverbs 1:20 and onward). We know that this is allegorical because it states earlier (in Proverbs 1:7) the "Fear of the Lord (YHWH) is the beginning of wisdom" (It is obvious that a goddess was not made out of fear of the Lord) and, in the same chapter, wisdom is compared to an opposite allegorical "deceiving prostitute" which leads the unwise astray.

The word is used extensively in Greek translations of Scriptures.

At the time of the original writing of the Gospels, there was no Greek goddess called "Sophia".

The fact that Gnostic tradition has invented a goddess and pantheon in which she allegedly resides, claiming ancient roots where none exist, demonstrates their ignorance rather than their knowledge (Gnosos) and is fairly typical (if you just made it up, it isn't knowledge, is it? It's fiction).

Thank you for sharing.

originally posted by: Parazurvan
I have added a link up top to the List is Sophia if anyone would like to learn about Sophia.

Here is some more scripture featuring Sophia in many texts: Nag Hammadi scriptures

Are the Nag Hammadi scolls now scriptures? When did that happen?

a reply to: eisegesis

In Hebrew there are 4 instead of the 3 which I I'll also leave for you to figure out.

PRDS are the beginning of the letters for each method of interpretation.


But that is good information I'm happy you shared that. And for the link.

Is Sacred Texts not the greatest site? I love it.

originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: eisegesis


I just discovered Philo and he opened my mind to allegorical principles of interpretation. He was a master.

Clement applied his methods too.

The words are the garment and the the body is the real meaning of the text, the Spirit.

And by allegory it is hidden from most.

Why does everyone have to get meaning out of the texts that are not actually plainly there? Does the secretness and inscrutability add any import?

a reply to: eisegesis

I believe that the 144,00 in Revelation is about 12 complete solar cycles, as a solar cycle through the cosmos is 12,000 years. 2000 for each age.


Which makes it kind of irrelevant but also good news. The world isn't ending!

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: eisegesis


I just discovered Philo and he opened my mind to allegorical principles of interpretation. He was a master.

Clement applied his methods too.

The words are the garment and the the body is the real meaning of the text, the Spirit.

And by allegory it is hidden from most.

Why does everyone have to get meaning out of the texts that are not actually plainly there? Does the secretness and inscrutability add any import?

I can tell you from experience that the allegorical meaning of scripture is the true meaning. It is just veiled in mythology.


I enjoy it is the reason I do it. I like it a lot. It makes the scriptures come alive. The letters kill, but the spirit of the texts is life.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Parazurvan
I have added a link up top to the List is Sophia if anyone would like to learn about Sophia.

Here is some more scripture featuring Sophia in many texts: Nag Hammadi scriptures

Are the Nag Hammadi scolls now scriptures? When did that happen?

Well the scrolls were always scripture so they didn't become scripture. They were written as scripture.

Not Christian scripture, in the mainstream sense.

But scripture nonetheless.

If you have a problem with this thread I am sorry but I have my beliefs and you have yours. I know you don't like it because you have been negative. Not rude or anything, just it is obvious you don't care for these scriptures.

So I don't see why you are in the thread, welcome though you are, you would only be contributing negativity if you continue.

But it is fine with me as I don't believe in stifling peoples freedom of expression even if it is in the form of questioning my beliefs.

a reply to: eisegesis

Oh hey, the words in PRDS are Hebrew not English. I forgot to tell you.

a reply to: eisegesis

That book from the link is said to be written by Rosicrucians? Is is still worth reading?

originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: eisegesis

I think the all time greatest of allegorical writing and encoding secret messages in literature was Bacon. I don't have an intimate knowledge of his life but that is the most interesting thing I have heard about him. Shakespeare or not he was very powerful for a man of his profession.

I like bacon too, especially when it is cooked just crispy.

But Francis Bacon was born in London on January 22, 1561 and died on April 9, 1626 at Highgate. Shakespeare was born just prior to 26 April 1564 (was baptized on 26th) at Stratford-upon-Avon and died May 3, 1616 at Stratford-upon-Avon. The suggestion that they were the same person suffers from the fact that they were two separate people.

Sir Francis Bacon was known of as the "Father of Empiricism" because of his "Baconian method" of careful observation and inductive reasoning. There has been suggestion that he should be regarded as a champion for the establishment of the scientific method (which differs slightly from the Baconian method).

Your liking of Bacon's writings does not seem to have extended to application of what he actually said.

originally posted by: Parazurvan

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Parazurvan
I have added a link up top to the List is Sophia if anyone would like to learn about Sophia.

Here is some more scripture featuring Sophia in many texts: Nag Hammadi scriptures

Are the Nag Hammadi scolls now scriptures? When did that happen?

Well the scrolls were always scripture so they didn't become scripture. They were written as scripture.

Not Christian scripture, in the mainstream sense.

But scripture nonetheless.

If you have a problem with this thread I am sorry but I have my beliefs and you have yours. I know you don't like it because you have been negative. Not rude or anything, just it is obvious you don't care for these scriptures.

So I don't see why you are in the thread, welcome though you are, you would only be contributing negativity if you continue.

But it is fine with me as I don't believe in stifling peoples freedom of expression even if it is in the form of questioning my beliefs.

Plato's Republic was in the jar. Just sayin'

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: eisegesis

I think the all time greatest of allegorical writing and encoding secret messages in literature was Bacon. I don't have an intimate knowledge of his life but that is the most interesting thing I have heard about him. Shakespeare or not he was very powerful for a man of his profession.

I like bacon too, especially when it is cooked just crispy.

But Francis Bacon was born in London on January 22, 1561 and died on April 9, 1626 at Highgate. Shakespeare was born just prior to 26 April 1564 (was baptized on 26th) at Stratford-upon-Avon and died May 3, 1616 at Stratford-upon-Avon. The suggestion that they were the same person suffers from the fact that they were two separate people.

Sir Francis Bacon was known of as the "Father of Empiricism" because of his "Baconian method" of careful observation and inductive reasoning. There has been suggestion that he should be regarded as a champion for the establishment of the scientific method (which differs slightly from the Baconian method).

Your liking of Bacon's writings does not seem to have extended to application of what he actually said.

I clearly stated I was not intimately acquainted with the writings of Bacon. Meaning I have not read them and just know about them.

I prefer Philo.

You are acting a little immature. There is no need for animosity this is a peaceful discussion.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Parazurvan

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Parazurvan
I have added a link up top to the List is Sophia if anyone would like to learn about Sophia.

Here is some more scripture featuring Sophia in many texts: Nag Hammadi scriptures

Are the Nag Hammadi scolls now scriptures? When did that happen?

Well the scrolls were always scripture so they didn't become scripture. They were written as scripture.

Not Christian scripture, in the mainstream sense.

But scripture nonetheless.

If you have a problem with this thread I am sorry but I have my beliefs and you have yours. I know you don't like it because you have been negative. Not rude or anything, just it is obvious you don't care for these scriptures.

So I don't see why you are in the thread, welcome though you are, you would only be contributing negativity if you continue.

But it is fine with me as I don't believe in stifling peoples freedom of expression even if it is in the form of questioning my beliefs.

Plato's Republic was in the jar. Just sayin'

A page of it. I don't see why that would be a problem I have read it it doesn't say anything bad on that tiny piece of it that you're talking about.

See for yourself. Tell me what you find problematic.

Platos Republic one page

originally posted by: Parazurvan

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: eisegesis


I just discovered Philo and he opened my mind to allegorical principles of interpretation. He was a master.

Clement applied his methods too.

The words are the garment and the the body is the real meaning of the text, the Spirit.

And by allegory it is hidden from most.

Why does everyone have to get meaning out of the texts that are not actually plainly there? Does the secretness and inscrutability add any import?

I can tell you from experience that the allegorical meaning of scripture is the true meaning. It is just veiled in mythology.


I enjoy it is the reason I do it. I like it a lot. It makes the scriptures come alive. The letters kill, but the spirit of the texts is life.

So, whaterver the texts don't explicitly say, is what they mean. By this reasoning, one could state that the Avedas are actually deeply hidden, secret recipes for CocaCola and Swiss Chocolate?

Can you see the fault in your reasoning? Anything outside the specifics of what is explicitly said (a very small set) is possible. Anything is an infinitely large set.

The premise of the methodology is irrational, belief in its conclusions, delusional.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Parazurvan

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: eisegesis


I just discovered Philo and he opened my mind to allegorical principles of interpretation. He was a master.

Clement applied his methods too.

The words are the garment and the the body is the real meaning of the text, the Spirit.

And by allegory it is hidden from most.

Why does everyone have to get meaning out of the texts that are not actually plainly there? Does the secretness and inscrutability add any import?

I can tell you from experience that the allegorical meaning of scripture is the true meaning. It is just veiled in mythology.


I enjoy it is the reason I do it. I like it a lot. It makes the scriptures come alive. The letters kill, but the spirit of the texts is life.

So, whaterver the texts don't explicitly say, is what they mean. By this reasoning, one could state that the Avedas are actually deeply hidden, secret recipes for CocaCola and Swiss Chocolate?

Can you see the fault in your reasoning? Anything outside the specifics of what is explicitly said (a very small set) is possible. Anything is an infinitely large set.

The premise of the methodology is irrational, belief in its conclusions, delusional.

Good night Cronot.

Sofia means wisdom. it is not really a goddess, but more women had wisdom in the past than guys had. The Holy spirit is wisdom or sofia. It is one of the aspacts of god. The unblinding of a person from their ego.

This property has been associated with a mother figure or trait throughout history. Saana or Shaman is an equivalent word.

The wisdom of god is a very good thing to have, the ability to reason and use your intellect wisely has always been treasured by people. This gift is actually not a part of god, it is sort of a gift. An awakening, all religions seemed to have something about wisdom being very important.

a reply to: rickymouse

You must not be familiar with the Goddess of the Nag Hammadi scriptures.

She is as real as any God or Goddess.


Unrelated to the word Shaman entirely.
Shem is related to the word Shaman
Sem SemSem from Egypt.

But not Sophia.

a reply to: Parazurvan

There is a saying Sophia is actually the wife of God.

In fact there was a thread that covered this idea.

www.abovetopsecret.com...