Pakistani husbands can ‘lightly beat’ their wives, Islamic council says

a reply to: Sublimecraft

And until they cease this archaic practice

Shame, but unfortunately this will never come to fruition, due to the embedded religious culture and beliefs of islam. It's NOT a religion that you can have a constructive discussion about, as for muslims there is nothing other than allah and the koran.

a reply to: tommo39

This is pretty normal in a lot of countries in the middle east. Be careful people are going to call you Islamophobic and possibly xenophobic. The western feminists need to start focusing on the middle east.

a reply to: onequestion

You don't hit a woman? You don't hit anyone for that matter unless it's self-defense. South-Africa is pretty vanilla in some regards, well compared to the rest of Africa.

Its ok. Its liberal, as long as its muslim culture.

*shakes head*

a reply to: Winstonian

Be careful people are going to call you Islamophobic and possibly xenophobic

Thanks, iv'e been called many names and it does not perturb me at all. Life is what it is, and living in SE Asia, the negative actions in islamic cultures leave me cold. The attitude of many posters on ATS is they have never got of their # and go see 1st. hand the problems in the world. But we are talking about the superior armchair critics arn't we and they sure would be lost without MR. GOOGLE..........

a reply to: Winstonian

This is pretty normal in a lot of countries in the middle east.

Pakistan is not in the middle east but, unfortunately it's pretty normal here in the US too.
Though not overtly sanctioned. We have laws against it and now so does Pakistan (as shown in the OP).

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Kali74

Thats to soft for me I require a different approach.

In my opinion human animals are predatory and need to be viewed as such for proper perspective.

Sun Tzhu and Machiavelli had it right.

Some are predatory and those tendencies should be discouraged. One of the things the Muslim got right was usury from my point of view. One right do not fix all the other wrongs.

But I do like the Sufi. They seem to have ideas that are peaceful beyond Muhammad:s duality ideas. When this is what is written in the Quran we might get a Islam that is worthy of praise.



All power to the reformists that follows the golden rule. Much work to be done.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: onequestion

Can you more clearly articulate your perspective so that people actually know what your saying instead of making such vague comments about the right wing?

It's pretty clear, if you ask me.

Religion is a second-hand factor when compared to an overall Right Wing ideology.

Human rights in general are threatened more by the latter.

Some religions are more duallistic (hateful instead of accepting of others) than others.

If you want to discuss fascism lets look at Hitler and Muhammad idea world. Lets look at the similarities.
JIhad/Struggle/Mein Kampf?
The Fuhrer/The Prophet showing the way leading.
Submit or die?
We are the Chosen.

Paul was in Christian bible a pusher for duality insanity but that does not make Muhammad a non dualist like Rumi. All ideas should be measured and criticized. The Wahabbi movement would not be finding justification for their insanity if the Quran was not filed with these Insane ideas.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Yeah, and I'd certainly like to know their lawful definition of "Light Beating" and where they draw the line. Kinda like the definitions in my country of "Assault" (Slap) "Assault Occasioning Actual Bodily Harm" (Cut or Bruising for instance) "Assault Occasioning Grievous Bodily Harm" (Serious and disfiguring) "Manslaughter" (degrees) and "murder" (degrees).

So where is this level of "Light Beating". Not that any beating is considered appropriate where I live. However it would be interesting to see this tested in their courts system and the man (thinking fantasy here) judged by a female magistrate or judge.

Now, the reason this law is passed is because I imagine women are not allowed to be seated upon councils, albeit religious or law. Tragically then it seems people of those persuasions who feel the need for some freedom and protection, attempt to leave for the country that protects them the most.

The fall out in their adopted countries remains with their adjustment to their new demographics and the percentage who don't adapt ruin it for those who truly respect their new countries laws and traditions and make an honest attempt to compensate.

Cheers,

Bally.

a reply to: Phage

Depends on who you talk to. It neighbors Afghanistan , and it identifies more with it's neighbors to the left. But heck what do I know.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

Well, there is the Planned Parenthood shooter but if you're looking for major tragedy then your search begins in Norway with a look who murdered Muslim children and thinks he's a Knights Templar.

And were these acts praised by the Christian community? I think not. Openly stoning women in the street and beheading apostates with no legal reprocussion vs some people who identify with a religion carrying out certain malicious acts that are shunned by the surrounding general public and thrown into jail and executed...

Yes, so similar.

Since we are talking about specific situations do you care to comment on the ongoing mass killings of Christians in the middle east and Africa by people who identify as muslim?

a reply to: tommo39

"Lightly beat" their wives???

Not saying i have not come close in the past to blows with my Mrs down to stupid pointless arguments over matters that quite frankly a few days or weeks down the line seem trivial. But my mother raised me and my brother to know displaying violence or raising our hands to toward any woman is completely unacceptable under any circumstance other than self defense.

And any nation that condones such actions, especially so in this day of age, is quite frankly nothing more than a backwards thinking uneducated cesspit of a place and should be required by international law to amend such arcane practices or face condemnation.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

The only true reform will be when ancient ugly religions are left behind, in my opinion. I find it silly that theists are constnatly having to sugar coat their religious teachings and look past the harsh old-world dogma.

The reform for big religions have already happend in a way. In the U.S., christiains aren't stoning witches and muslims aren't killing homosexuals in mass.

However, lets see how the religions in the U.S. react if we were suddenly sent back to the stone age.

Sufism is interesting though, but I'm not sure sufism is religious. It seems like hindu mysticism, in a way. It has nonsensical mythology attatched to it, but at the core, its goal is mysticism. Not religious dedication. At least, from my little knowledge.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: tommo39

That's part of the reason Muslims emigrate to the West, to escape religious rule.

The main reasion muslems are sent to the west is to export islam and all this crap and distroy the west.

a reply to: imod02

Maybe that is the agenda for higher powers, but most musllim immigrants probably just want to find a better life. I find that most devout religious folk have a tendency to push their religion on others.

Muslims just happen to have a lot of devout followers.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: imod02

Maybe that is the agenda for higher powers, but most musllim immigrants probably just want to find a better life. I find that most devout religious folk have a tendency to push their religion on others.

Muslims just happen to have a lot of devout followers.

You should understand the vast amount of muslim immigrants have been sent to the west to do "Gods work" people need to stop looking at islam with westren eyes and understand what is going on

a reply to: imod02

Well, is that much differnt than christians going to the east and spreading christianity? It's basically the same thing in my opinion. Islam is just a faster growing religion.

a reply to: blueman12

I dont know about that, i mean with education, the study of mathematics and modern science, the concept of most organised religions are simply dispelled by the cold hard logic of truth.

So unless the Islamic world somehow manages to abolish or severely retard our systems of education and institutions associated with learning and knowledge. Returns to a 17th century caliphate way of life, which is apparently the plan of groups such as ISIS, its really doomed in the same manner that Christianity is.

Achieving such a feat is like trying to put the proverbial djinn back in the bottle.

a reply to: andy06shake

Doomed, perhaps. Although, most likely not in our lifetimes.

a reply to: blueman12

No not in our life time, and not while we are creating the next generation of terrorist by bombing there villages and smallholdings into oblivion while claiming to bring democracy to a people who nether wish or require such.