Separating the Mandela Effect From Memory

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: TerryDon79

I never saw such a t-shirt mug or pen or reference in the first place. I remember LIAYF from watching the movie hundreds of times.

So you never saw any reference to the film outside of the film? I find that extremely difficult to believe.

a reply to: TerryDon79

No , I saw no such specific reference before the internet was well established and all the time before that I knew it as LIAYF.

Why do you find that hard to believe. I am not from America and overhere people didn't walk around in Star Wars tshirts or whatever.

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: TerryDon79

No , I saw no such specific reference before the internet was well established and all the time before that I knew it as LIAYF.

Why do you find that hard to believe. I am not from America and overhere people didn't walk around in Star Wars tshirts or whatever.

I'm not from America either. Star Wars was (and still is) a world wide hit. Being from a different country makes no odds.

People spoke about it in the streets, there were posters about it, advertising for merchandise and a whole load of other things.

To say you never saw ANYTHING outside of the film is rediculous. You must have atleast of heard about it for you to see it in the first place.

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
I could also say that mass media, films, adverts, pop culture etc use LIAYF because it used to be like that and that's how it is remembered. Why didn't they use NIAYF?

Because it's highly contextualised and in the example of a film where someone uses the quote, saying, NIAYF would get missed on a lot of people.

however, saying, LIAYF, WOULD work because the use of the name Luke contextualises it.

I don't expect you to understand this as time has no doubt shifted again and you won't remember it this way.

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: TerryDon79

I never saw such a t-shirt mug or pen or reference in the first place. I remember LIAYF from watching the movie hundreds of times.

Then you have a p*ss poor memory as that was never the line. And what's brilliant is you have NO evidence that it was otherwise, apart from "your memory".

Where as I have Laserdiscs, VHS tapes, DVDs and Bluerays (I collect Star Wars merchandise, btw), seen scripts which all have the same quote I recall when I first saw SW:ESB in the cinema all saying, NIAYF.

You have nothing, apart from you and a bunch of incorrect people saying you are 100% sure it was LIAYF, yet you have no audio recording, no video recording, NOTHING to substantiate apart from your human, fallible memory.

a reply to: noonebutme

Then you have a p*ss poor memory as that was never the line.

You sound very emotional too....I absolutely agree that it might never have been the line for you.

Where as I have Laserdiscs, VHS tapes, DVDs and Bluerays (I collect Star Wars merchandise, btw), seen scripts which all have the same quote I recall when I first saw SW:ESB in the cinema all saying, NIAYF.

I didn't make any comment on this, I replied to your claim that you could prove why people had a specific memory. You can't prove that.

You have nothing, apart from you and a bunch of incorrect people saying you are 100% sure it was LIAYF, yet you have no audio recording, no video recording, NOTHING to substantiate apart from your human, fallible memory.

Did I claim to have proof? How could I ever prove shifting to another reality? How could you ever prove I didn't?

a reply to: noonebutme

I don't expect you to understand this

Because of your superior intelligence?

There are lots of thirts that just say "I am your father" so apparently contextual recognition is not that big a problem.

Anyone who understands the reference "Luke I am your father" will also understand "No I am your father" or "I am your father".

a reply to: TerryDon79

I'm not from America either. Star Wars was (and still is) a world wide hit. Being from a different country makes no odds.

You are not in a position to make comments about the occurrance of Star Wars, and specifically LIAYF references in my environment.

Thinking you are is what's ridiculous.

I never saw anyone wearing a Star Wars tshirt. I never saw anyone make such a reference in my national media. Or in any American program I ever watched, at least not before the last decade. But I always remembered it as LIAYF from watching the movie. Over and over.

a reply to: CollidinParticules

So you just stumbled upon a film, watched it hundreds of times, never saw a reference to it, never heard anyone talking about it, EVER?

Yeah, right.

The goal posts always move. First it's the time line changed or something was altered. When you prove that wrong then it's explained by them saying that THEY have somehow changed time lines or shifted themselves.

It's a never ending circular delusion which requires no evidence.

a reply to: TerryDon79

You calling me a liar?

Like I said, not before 2002 anyway, because I didn't have internet before that.

I was the one making the references while noone cared about Star Wars. Noone ever qouted Star Wars for me. It just wasn't a thing. I wouldn't know where I should've seen it mentioned elsewhere in that time, especially not to the extent that it would trump my memory from watching it hundreds of times on VHS.

Off course, faulty memory is an explanation that I take into consideration.

a reply to: In4ormant

It helps if you don't make random assumptions about other poster's views. You should try to calm down a bit, you seem very agitated.

And you couldn't have proven such a thing, because that would be impossible. Is that why you are angry?

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: TerryDon79

You calling me a liar?

Like I said, not before 2002 anyway, because I didn't have internet before that.

I was the one making the references while noone cared about Star Wars. Noone ever qouted Star Wars for me. It just wasn't a thing. I wouldn't know where I should've seen it mentioned elsewhere in that time, especially not to the extent that it would trump my memory from watching it hundreds of times on VHS.

Off course, faulty memory is an explanation that I take into consideration.

We are all just astonished that faulty memory isn't the first and prevailing reason that comes to your mind. Why does common sense/simple science need the burden of proof yet time manipulation, dimension shifting, split universes etc. do not?

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: In4ormant

It helps if you don't make random assumptions about other poster's views. You should try to calm down a bit, you seem very agitated.

And you couldn't have proven such a thing, because that would be impossible. Is that why you are angry?

Your inferring mood from text. Your projection not mine. I find it all quite fascinating. Would be a great case study.

a reply to: In4ormant

It's not just LIAYF, and not just the ME alone. I am not trying to prove anything. I just have certain views that make me consider it not being just faulty memory.

I dismiss alot of these examples as bad memory, and often it makes sense that they are remembered wrong, but some things have changed for me that I am sure of, and I usually trust my gut.

If I then see a lot of others having the same experience with specific examples I am willing to entertain alternative theories.

a reply to: In4ormant

Your inferring mood from text.

Am I? It wouldn't mean that I am wrong though.

Would be a great case study.

I see where you are going with that. So this is friendly sarcasm I guess?

a reply to: CollidinParticules

You are wrong.

I think it's fascinating that people are so sure of something with a simple explanation. They want to belive this fantastical story. Why? Why is it so important to them to throw logic out the window for fantasy, even in the face of such easily dismissed things. No matter how many times they are shown the easy and logical solution to any of the things they pose they just refuse to accept it.

I'd love the world to be more interesting sometimes but I'm not going to cancel my subscription to science to deceive myself.

a reply to: In4ormant

You just did.

Logic tells me you don't know enough about the nature of reality to say that the most obvious explanation is the right one and to dismiss any other.

How can I deceive myself if I keep an open mind to all possibilities?

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: In4ormant

You just did.

Logic tells me you don't know enough about the nature of reality to say that the most obvious explanation is the right one and to dismiss any other.

How can I deceive myself if I keep an open mind to all possibilities?

That's like saying your open to the possibility that 2+2=73.

You have perfectly good, sound, PROVEN reasons why you are experiencing this confusion and yet fail to acknowledge it. That is deceiving yourself.

I just want to know why a person does such a thing. Not this just topic, there's many.

a reply to: In4ormant

I'd love the world to be more interesting sometimes but I'm not going to cancel my subscription to science to deceive myself.

The Multiverse is a possibility acepted by a part of the scientific community so the base concept is not completely unheard of. I think Quantum Physics also point to our reality existing at levels we can't graps yet.