So being Christian I must be perfect, non-judgemental and love everyone?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Well, there's a difference between you and me. You were tons more patient and serious in your answer than I was.

a reply to: Akragon

And who says they won't? Certainly Jesus doesn't. He says himself that many who call on Him will be rejected.

Of course, He also says that broad is the way but narrow is the gate which seems to imply that a LOT of folks can be headed in the right direction and STILL miss the way through too. That might address all the claims of "but I'm a good person ..." (even though I hate God) along with the people who behave like trolls while claiming to do so in God's name.

Some people will find Him and understand what that really means in there somewhere. They'll find the gate.

I would rather stand with God and be judged by the world than stand with the world and be judged by God.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: DeathSlayer

No, just answering your title question, being a christian you should reject, publicly, the evil doctrine contained within your text (namely old testament, or some of Paul's teachings, as well as revelation), while also pushing for a more peaceful and tolerant world, also you should reject any notion of a certain death for humanity as that is advocating the destruction of our species, thus you are supporting a death cult. Otherwise, do whatever the hell you want to do, or you will continue to be measured under the same brush that propels you to write threads such as this.

The Bible is not as violent as you would paint it.

The old covenant revolved around the law which is summarized in the 10 commandments. The new covenant re-codifies the old law down to two precepts:

1, Love God above all else.

2, Love everyone else as you love yourself.

Love then, informs our actions. Jesus explains that this is "the whole of the law". Additionally, Jesus provided a way for forgiveness of infractions which is fully compliant with the intent of the new "law" and builds upon the old one.

This also is, perhaps, a nod towards ethical maturity. The old law was more like a list of do's and dont's, the new one is a guideline for us to determine what the law should be.

In summary of the OP: "Christians aren't perfect. Just forgiven". Unfortunately, some adherents aren't quite ready for ethical responsibility and revert to 'legalist' ways, which by definition become judgemental.

Everyone has sinned, everyone has transgressed (except Jesus). Without forgiveness, the consequence of those sins is the same (whether it be mass murder or a bigoted opinion), so we have no right to be high and mighty about our 'moral history'.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

You can't expect atheists, or anyone else for that matter, to not be offended by hypocrites. You're right. None of us are perfect, but we're to strive for perfection. Complacency is the real enemy there.

The Church as an institution is a complete mess. Full of hypocrites and hate. Far from the original teachings of Jesus. I think we forget how practical Jesus really was. Scripture cannot be modernized, but mercy should be preached instead of a emphasis on condemnation. Your duty is to love and pray. Never, and I mean NEVER, judge. Let God work on their heart.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Who do you think you are? I know who I am. I am a flawed man,full of anger and violence. I'm also a family man who prays without ceasing. It is not for you to judge my faith.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

You can be Christian all you want. No one cares...no matter what Fox news tells you. That's the great thing about living with religious freedom, and here is where we have the problem. When you start confusing your religion with politics, enforcing YOUR beliefs onto the public, and generally being a proselytizing bigot; then you open a whole new can of worms and immediately pull the persecution card when folks start examining how you lead your life.

Believe me...no one cares how Christian you are, and as a Christian you should stay humble and follow the teachings of Christ. Simple. If you don't and stray from the path, then the burden is on you.

a reply to: chr0naut

Amen!

I am harder on my Christian brothers and sisters than atheist and those of other religions because we are one big family and the backlash we get from non believers...... we Christians need to remain united for together we can not fall.

We are children in the eyes of God because we must grow up..... not only physically but spiritually and the only way your spirit will grow is if you feed it. It needs spiritual food ...... God's word!

There are too many "warm" Christians out there and Christ said he would puke them out. It is just like playing "Texan Holdem" either you are "all in" or you are out.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Jesus tells you to be perfect and to love everyone, so the answer to your question is yes.

Matthew 7
24 Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.

Those who do not follow what he tells us to do (love your neighbor and do unto others) is like a foolish man.

It seems as though the premise of this thread is an example of the foolish man who built his house on sand.

Clearly a late night,alcohol fuelled thread.

You claim to have absolute knowledge ( to be a true christian) yet acknowledge that you learn something new everytime....do you mean to be a hypocrite?

You've no doubt read the dead sea scrolls and have used that information to pass judgement on others, right?

Yet you take no effort to learn the roots of Christianity and the mechanisms in place to warp your mind to the form it has taken....

And if you are a true christian you best be writing this thread in Israel otherwise this is the biggest joke of a thread. Cos you are the chosen people right? Shouldn't you be pillaging, raping and killing livestock from the surrounding areas. Or are we choosing to ignore that bit? Carry on reading it, as you learn something everytime. Hopefully you will find the purpose of it ( and all other religions).

a reply to: jaymp

I think we are supposed to not condemn. Judgement we are absolutely supposed to do.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

It says right there, not to go telling others not to do something unless you stop doing it yourself. How else could you be a hypocrite?

a reply to: GemmyMcGemJew

And there it is!

Thank you for proving my point!

The no true Scotsman.

OP, this is a sincere response to your question. It is not a dig. It is a description of how those outside of Christianity see you, and why they hold you to such a high standard...

It is not the unbeliever that has placed Christians on a pedestal, it is Christianity itself that has done so, because it makes the claim of having the high ground, morally, theologically, doctrinally, eternally, and so on. Christianity claims to be the one and only way to God, and the only way not to be condemned.

It also claims to be the religion of the only true god. ALL others are of the Devil, and a deception. Christianity claims to have the only true word of God, and therefore, a monopoly on knowledge, the human condition, morals, this life, and the afterlife, just to name a few. In other words, Christianity has made itself the be all, end all answer to life, the universe, and everything else.

Christianity is seen as elitist, arrogant, bigoted, cultish, and by some who understand a little more, murderous, violent, and anti-human, because of the bible they cling to, knowing that it promises billions of deaths during a time of God's wrath. On top of all that...

Christians themselves are even more divided than the world is. There are literally so many sects of Christianity, that it's hard to even track them. Many are more than willing to pronounce God's judgement and wrath on each other, as well as the heathens.

Christianity has made itself the enemy, and eventually the judges of its own species(by the promise of God), and yet claims to be about love and compassion. Christianity has become a caricature of its own making. Christianity has brought the worlds derision down upon its own head. Any persecution Christianity receives, it has asked for many times over.

That is why Christians are held to a MUCH higher standard than anyone else. "A city set on a hill cannot be hidden".

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Not really.

And I would take some time to justify that, but if you are conversant with what Jesus said, then you know I won't. It's not proper and wouldn't serve any real purpose anyhow.

1.) No matter how "good" I might be, it would never be enough to justify myself in the eyes of the almighty internet.

2.) I'm not going to get into the game of playing holier than thou.

a reply to: Klassified

Made ourselves or were made by others?

I never made myself anything.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Akragon

And who says they won't? Certainly Jesus doesn't. He says himself that many who call on Him will be rejected.

Of course, He also says that broad is the way but narrow is the gate which seems to imply that a LOT of folks can be headed in the right direction and STILL miss the way through too. That might address all the claims of "but I'm a good person ..." (even though I hate God) along with the people who behave like trolls while claiming to do so in God's name.

Some people will find Him and understand what that really means in there somewhere. They'll find the gate.

Can't say i disagree with that...

What i do disagree with is when people claim Calling ones self "Christian" will get them to said gate... or making the sunday appearance in Church makes them a good person.

We will be judged by what we do with this life... and what we don't...

Not on what we believe... because regardless of said belief, we all owe a death

Belief matters not at that point...

a reply to: Klassified

Well said brother

a reply to: Klassified

You have made some valid points and I agree with some of it BUT when you said:

Christianity claims to be the one and only way to God, and the only way not to be condemned.

These words you wrote above .... came from the mouth of Jesus Christ, not my mouth, not a Christian's mouth but Jesus Christ.

So who should I follow you and those who think like you or Christ?

The answer is simple....... Jesus Christ.....every time.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Klassified

Made ourselves or were made by others?

I never made myself anything.

Read the whole post, Ketsy. Your question is answered in it more than once.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: Klassified

You have made some valid points and I agree with some of it BUT when you said:

Christianity claims to be the one and only way to God, and the only way not to be condemned.

These words you wrote above .... came from the mouth of Jesus Christ, not my mouth, not a Christian's mouth but Jesus Christ.

So who should I follow you and those who think like you or Christ?

The answer is simple....... Jesus Christ.....every time.

Read what I wrote again. There is a reason I used the word Christianity, and not Christians in that sentence.