A Warning To Christians

a reply to: mamabeth
Matthew 6:6 ESV / 325 helpful votes

That law is vague and does not persecute Christians but rather protects a group of people. Do religious beliefs say to mock and belittle other people? Not that I am aware of.

Would definitely put some of us into worshiping in secret.

But isn't that exactly how Jesus said to pray?
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: peskyhumans
Marriage doesn't belong to the Christians marriage today is a legal agreement between two people. There has been laws against discrimination in America for decades. I'm surprised it took Canada this long to get laws like this.

From the OP source:

This bill will ban anti-transgender speech, including both gender identity and gender expression, with up to 2 years in prison for violators. The bill is an incremental extension of their existing “Hate Speech” laws.

This bill already exists. It's just being modified to extend to transgender rights. Which of course is another reason why the OP doesn't know what she is talking about and/or just spinning a non-issue completely out of hand due to her overbearing Christian persecution complex.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I just adore your post replies and your continuous assumption that I suffer from
a persecution complex.

a reply to: mamabeth

Well threads like this just drive that idea home. It's already been proven to you in this thread that you are complaining about nothing and this law protects Christians too (a point which you've ignored). You are merely trying to make a good situation seem awful because you don't agree with the politics surrounding it, and you are doing this by attempting the tired and played out Christian persecution angle. Your intentions and delusions are plain as day.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I am not trying to mock or belittle,I am a very loud and outspoken person.
I see myself as trying to warn others and remind them of upcoming trouble.
If my approach is too strong or wrong I will stand convicted and repent.

This thread was intended for christians to read and ponder the possibilities.
Too many have sold out or have gone to sleep and need a wake up calling.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

On the surface it appears to protect christians but my gut tells me otherwise.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Krazysh0t

On the surface it appears to protect christians but my gut tells me otherwise.

Right, and that's why you have a Christian persecution complex. Instead of listening to logic and reality you instead decide that you are under persecution attack. Heck this specific persecution complex isn't even YOUR idea; you are just parroting a poor conclusion some wacko political pundit in Canada vomited out of his mouth. A conclusion so absurd that it has to be spun very carefully, but even then the author still disproved it once or twice with his own words.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

My gut feelings have saved me more times than I can recall.
I really hate to say this...I don't have to be logical because
I am a woman!

a reply to: mamabeth

And how many times are you neglecting where your gut instinct was wrong? I think it is a safe bet to say that the number is rather large since we all make tons of mistakes in our lifetimes.

Nice attempt at proving your reasoning through proof by anecdote though. It really drives home how little objective thought you've given this idea. Instead letting bias and preconceived notions (such as a tendency to see Christian persecution everywhere) dictate your thinking. Which is what you are calling "gut instinct".

a reply to: mamabeth

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

It is CERTAIN that the oligarchy has such in their plans.

Absolutely certain.

a reply to: mamabeth

BTW, I think that responding to the hostile naysayers is a waste of typing energy and screen space.

AS you know . . . the verse about what fellowship does light have with darkness.

Some are darkened in their minds because of a deliberate long set of choices in such directions.

Others are just uninformed and spiritually clueless.

Then there are those of both above groups with a visceral family of origin set of experiences that have left them extremely hostile to Christianity. A number of those on ATS would likely be cheering and aiding in the process if Christians were again literally crucified.

a reply to: mamabeth

At this point, following The Voice within is exceedingly logical.

Congrats.

a reply to: mamabeth

I used to try to see both sides of this. I really did. But I can't anymore. I can't pretend that the rights of those who wish to discriminate against other demographics are more important than the the rights of others to live in peace and with dignity.

I won't pretend to respect the institution that pushes discrimination, fear, and hate. I won't. I do NOT think they are equally worthy of protection because they are actively pushing an agenda of discrimination.

No. If a religion or any sort of group expresses these positions, I will no longer try to play the devil's advocate with these people and try to understand and respect their position. Instead, I will speak out against it and piss on their holy hate manuals. I've spent too long defending them, waiting for them to acclimate to reality.

THIS is why people hate your religion. It's not persecution against your gods, you are not a martyr, and no, your congregation isn't having some spiritual revival if only you could stop gay marriage in your town. It is no longer compatible with a just and decent society. It never was. Any segment of the Abrahamic faiths that don't adjust to the times, they will erode into nothingness. Which is what they base their hate on.

Christians need to stop trying to play the persecuted martyr card and grow up. Their gods are not bigger than the rest of us.

31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You are right there about my gut not always being right,examples...
Before I was saved: my gut feeling would get me into trouble.
After I was saved: my gut feelings kept me out of trouble.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You are right there about my gut not always being right,examples...
Before I was saved: my gut feeling would get me into trouble.
After I was saved: my gut feelings kept me out of trouble.

More anecdotes written in a way to elate your misinformed thinking versus accepting that you may have formed a poorly thought out opinion and should just admit your mistake. Mark of stubbornness.

a reply to: Abysha

I agree with much of this. Christ's original teachings were very simple: love God, love yourself, and love others as you love yourself. Somehow (big surprise) his teachings became a religion that was warped and demented to control others - totally against what Jesus would have wanted. That's human nature for ya.

I have known a few Christians who really try to live their lives according to the teachings of Christ. They truly try to treat others how they would like to be treated. When I ask them about things like homosexuality and transgender people, they say, "ya know, I'm just going to worry about myself and let others be." When I ask them if they would refuse to do business with gays (like the wedding cake example), they say, "all people who would come into my shop deserve my best service, no matter if I agree with how they live their lives or not. I would turn no one away, as long as they are polite and not disruptive." Now, THAT is a true Christian, and very hard to find.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Bingo,I am a very stubborn woman and I do listen,I do watch and I do respond.

a reply to: mamabeth

Yea, you remind me of my mother. I can't stand talking to her when I have her dead to rights on being wrong either.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Abysha

I agree with much of this. Christ's original teachings were very simple: love God, love yourself, and love others as you love yourself. Somehow (big surprise) his teachings became a religion that was warped and demented to control others - totally against what Jesus would have wanted. That's human nature for ya.

I have known a few Christians who really try to live their lives according to the teachings of Christ. They truly try to treat others how they would like to be treated. When I ask them about things like homosexuality and transgender people, they say, "ya know, I'm just going to worry about myself and let others be." When I ask them if they would refuse to do business with gays (like the wedding cake example), they say, "all people who would come into my shop deserve my best service, no matter if I agree with how they live their lives or not. I would turn no one away, as long as they are polite and not disruptive." Now, THAT is a true Christian, and very hard to find.

If the Christian right were to act like this instead of the spoiled babies they always act like whenever some social issue they don't like gets legislated then their religion wouldn't be having the difficulties it is having currently.