Rise of the American Left Wing Authoritarianism (Fascism from the left)

a reply to: theantediluvian

Yup, greed is the seed of our corruption in DC. The MSM, despite portraying Trump negatively (as if they could ever positively with the things he says) they made loads of money off of him because of the ratings. I guess while hating Trump and not wanting him to be the nominee they figured they could smear him and make a few bucks while they're at it. Trouble is, that backfired. I guess they don't call him Teflon Don for nothing.

Trump admitted this himself when he said he could murder someone and his supporters would still shower him with praise.

a reply to: onequestion

Here we go what? Care to expand?

Are you saying the political spectrum isn't equally diversified on college campuses? A national discussion about it? What, here on ATS? To be honest, I have no idea what you're talking about but you and I worry about completely different things.

Are you going to become a teacher or go for a school admin position, like principle, dean, or super superintendent some day? How do you plan on fighting this good fight?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: scolai

Only one person on that list was an actual fascist and that's Hitler. There's some confusion over the use of the word I think because their definitions have so much overlap, particularly now. All fascist are authoritarians but not all authoritarians are fascist. The rest of them are more properly referred to a totalitarians.

Contrast the lives of Germans under Hitler and those in the Soviet Union under Stalin to see the differences.

The "Fasci" were under Mussolini.......

AKA "Fascio"

It's Italian.....

You should read more.....

It would help....

originally posted by: scolai

originally posted by: onequestion
First off let me start by saying that I realize that Fascism is considered right-wing...

How is Facism right wing?

-Pol Pot
-Lenin
-Hitler
-Mao Tze Tung
-Kim Il Sung
-Ho Chi Minh
-Stalin

Name one of these famous Facists who were not Socialist or Communist. I'm sure right wing Facism exists, but historically speaking, it's been mostly the left wing that has exhibited Facist tendencies.

100% correct.

And the "Fasci" were in fact, Socialists.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Not that socialism. The other one.

You know. The other one. It's always the other one.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Not that socialism. The other one.

You know. The other one. It's always the other one.

And it's "never done correctly"

"we just haven't done it right"

"We need REAL Socialism"

"Let's try this the way it was intended"

DUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRPP

originally posted by: scolai

originally posted by: onequestion
First off let me start by saying that I realize that Fascism is considered right-wing...

How is Facism right wing?

-Pol Pot
-Lenin
-Hitler
-Mao Tze Tung
-Kim Il Sung
-Ho Chi Minh
-Stalin

Name one of these famous Facists who were not Socialist or Communist. I'm sure right wing Facism exists, but historically speaking, it's been mostly the left wing that has exhibited Facist tendencies.

Yes, these fascists were all so left-wing.

Benito Mussolini.
Japanese Prime Minister Fumimaro Konoye in 1940.
Chiang Kai-shek in China prior to the rise of Mao (who I also think was a facist)
Generalissimo Franco of Spain
Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte
The Estado Novo regime of António de Oliveira Salazar in Portugal
D F Malan in South Africa who supported Hitler's Brownshirts.



Hitler was not left-wing, despite the current right-wing's attempt to revise history and paint him as some left-wing facist.

Are you ignorant of the history of facism, as it is far from only being a left-wing ideology? I could go with this list of right-wing facists, as I think it is pretty evident which side of the fence the facist ideology generally falls on. Not to say that there aren't left-wing facists, but the right dominates here.

Fascism can be implemented from both left and right and the degree on how "fascist" you are depends on the real freedom of the people living under the system. When brainwashing is done efficiency there is a dissonance between the real freedom and the view of how free you are.

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Benito Mussolini own quote of fascism. “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”

An example where fascism is being white washed on ATS by using the Corporatism label instead of fascism.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Even communist countries are fascist when they create a power pyramid where political power and manufacturing power is taken away from the people to a few politicians. Feudalism is also fascism if you look at the power pyramid and the rights of the people.

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
drumpf lowered the bar, and there are idiots in every party

I have been following US politics since 1980 and I can't ever remember violence being this common, and it all started with the hate speech and not so sublte fascism coming from drumpf in phase 1

Are you aware how childish you post looks when you change trump to drumpf. Many people changed their last names when they came to the united states.

lol hate speech. Listen you can call it what ever you want. The black panthers used hate speech, I hear hate speech in rap all the time. Turn on CNN and watch how hate speech is used agaisnt non latino white people and republicans without anyone blinking an eye or anyone being called out on it.

the sad realility is even if its "hate speech" That doesnt automatically make whats being said incorrect or wrong. Someone who is using hate speech can tell the truth and most of the time its unpopular simply because it paints a picture of one ethinicity or race in a bad light.
Now that doesnt also mean that all unpopular topics are truthful because they are unpopular "White privledge" Is a topic that is amazingly outdated yet still being taught like its 1950's south. Class warfare makes much more sense but it includes others races and ethicities and for that reason you rarely hear about it from the " Progressives" because they cant point to the "White Man" as the only reason.

I'm sorry to have to inform you of this but the left have been nazi for a long time. Look at the Facebook situation recently and before them it was yahoo and before them it was certain schools.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: scolai

Only one person on that list was an actual fascist and that's Hitler. There's some confusion over the use of the word I think because their definitions have so much overlap, particularly now. All fascist are authoritarians but not all authoritarians are fascist. The rest of them are more properly referred to a totalitarians.

Contrast the lives of Germans under Hitler and those in the Soviet Union under Stalin to see the differences.

The "Fasci" were under Mussolini.......

AKA "Fascio"

It's Italian.....

You should read more.....

It would help....

Mussolini wasn't on the list he was replying about and he made no comment at all on the origin of the word.

You should read posts more

It would help....

a reply to: cuckooold

Your both wrong fascists fall between communism and neo liberalism. The ipisit of a fascists on the political spectrum is an anarchist. HITLER for example fell just slightly to the right of center meaning he had both leftist and right policies. Currently the left on the US is playing with authoritarian policies we see it in Obama for example where we use the state to control bahavior on what we can buy what we can say and what we can have.

This outcome was inevitable as there is a cycle in politics. We have both sides going to extremes the right is moving more to anarchy and thr left fascism. Look at the policies of thr far right they want to remove government from everything the left want more control.

originally posted by: onequestion
First off let me start by saying that I realize that Fascism is considered right-wing, but I believe we are beginning to see the rise of authoritarianism from the left. I've noticed a recent surge of this phenomenon working its way into the MSM rapidly by mostly Bernie Sanders supporters.

Now let me make it clear that I believe it has nothing to do with Sanders himself, its a rogue element using Sanders in the same fashion that Daesh and other radicals use Islam to turn believers into radicals or to gain support from believers.

Observer

The modern social justice movement, or the new “political correctness,” vaulted into the spotlight last year. Student protests swept across campuses with demands often focused on purging thoughtcrime—leading to heated debates on whether this movement is a dangerous pseudo-progressive authoritarianism or a long-overdue effort to achieve justice for all.

Here we have one of the most important questions we need to be asking ourselves.

Is this authoritarian or prgoressive and cultural adaptation?

I totally understand wanting to end hate paradigms and addressing with REAL racism, sexism, and other forms of indiscriminate hate against any and all groups, HOWEVER I do not believe the way we are going about it is the right way. We should be creating and promoting cultural changes that are based on merit and not sex, race, religion, nationality or any of it!

Chris Ryan PHD Podcast

Here is an episode from the Chris Ryan Podcast where he interviews Reid Mihalko, a professor and self professed SJW. During this episode you'll hear Reid address all the scary ideology being promote by this movement. Subjects like, safe spaces, gender pronouns, white privileged, among others.

Regardless of my own thoughts on the above subjects what really makes me nervous is not the conversation around these topics (which can be good) but the action taken by many so called SJW's. You can see it on campus, on the forums, on Facebook and in social media.

What am I talking about?

Violence, verbal and physical violence being accepted from the social justice movements towards people who do not agree with their perspective and the acceptance of this violence. Either your a moron, an idiot, completely stupid, or worthy of physical attack if you disagree with anything being said by the purported leaders of this movement! Its insanity!

I realize the country is going through a lot and our minds are adjusting to information overload from the internet but I think we need to all step back and chill out a little bit and realize that we're entering into a new paradigm culturally and globally. That we really have no precedence for and how we handle it is going to determine the future for the entire human race.

Communism is on the far left, Chairman Mao and Stalin made Hitler look like a choirboy. Two murdering psychopaths of epic proportions.

I had to look up WTF SJW meant.

From Urban dictionary

"SJW
Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.
#1:

A social justice warrior reads an essay about a form of internal misogyny where women and girls insult stereotypical feminine activities and characteristics in order to boost themselves over other women.

The SJW absorbs this and later complains in response to a Huffington Post article about a 10-year-old feminist's letter, because the 10-year-old called the color pink "prissy".

#2:

Commnter: "I don't like getting manicures. It's too prissy."

SJW: "Oh my god, how #ing dare you use that word, you disgusting sexist piece of sh$t!"
#sjw #dogpile #internet activist #slacktivism #angry people #tumblr #livejournal
by boiledchicken January 07, 2012

a reply to: scolai
Hitler was not left wing, he was right of center, or have you forgotten how the Nazis loathed communism so much they started a war over it? Not to mention they were so right wing that America employed them all after the war.

Calling Hitler left-wing is just another tactic by religious people to blame everything on the 'wing' they hate, just like their false claims that Hitler was atheist.

The interesting thing about the far right and the Trump Fascist agenda is the way it was necessary to convince his supporters that they were the threatened minority and all those other groups of dangerous lefties were 'coming to get them', and 'those people are all violent.'

It is the line that the Fascists will use to crack down hard on protestors, and anybody who disagrees with them.

Fascism? We're talking about how fascism is defined?

How about we ask Franklin Roosevelt. You know... The guy who was POTUS during the rise of fascism in Europe, and the subsequent world war that followed.

The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.

Message to Congress

Somewhat interesting.

There are those who, in current times, would call Roosevelt a Socialist, Communist, Fascist, etc.

But what did that guy know right?

a reply to: onequestion

Its not the size of the group that worries me its their power.

You have good reasons to be worried. I posit that what they're managing to achieve is marginalizing people who disagree with them out of the public square, or in the terms of the Internet, public space. Through their PC programs, the SJW crowd creates an atmosphere such that the only thing "normal" people can do is to take all measures necessary to avoid contact with these people. And that's because in their rants, they control language such that there's no persuading them to any middle ground.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

You're a clever one. What's next? "Actually the sky is blue and water is wet?"

Maybe you should take a moment to read the prior posts before you presume to "correct" people. The post I was responding to had a list of names:

-Pol Pot -Lenin -Hitler -Mao Tze Tung -Kim Il Sung -Ho Chi Minh -Stalin

Notice that Mussolini isn't in the list. Do you see Mussolini on the list? No? Was either the post I was responding to or my own post about the history of fascism? No? Because if it were, I wouldn't have started with Mussolini. I would have started with the proto-fascists in France and the philosophical progenitor, Georges Sorel.

Feel free to apologize if you're big enough.

a reply to: Swills

Why do you keep trying to derail the thread talking about Trump?

Nah, I'll just alert all of your trump post.

It's obviously deliberate.