Chicago man chokes 8-year-old girl in public bathroom

originally posted by: Phage
Laws do not allow things.

Laws like this one do...

originally posted by: Phage
Just like they always have been able to. Unless, of course, you can provide an example of a law which had prohibited it.

Are you insane? if they were "always able to" why in the heck did Obama and his administration make these mandates/laws?...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Are you insane?

No.

Laws like this one do...

Which law is that?

Are you insane? if they were "always able to" why in the heck did Obama and his administration make this mandates/laws?...

What mandate? What law? Citation please.

Please provide a citation of a law which restricted bathroom access prior to this year.

originally posted by: Phage
Which one?

What mandate? What law? Citation please.

...

Obama Administration To Issue Decree On Transgender Bathroom Access In Schools
“No student should ever have to go through the experience of feeling unwelcome at school or on a college campus,” Education Secretary John King Jr. said.

05/12/2016 09:24 pm ET | Updated May 12, 2016

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration will issue a sweeping decree on Friday telling every U.S. public school district to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity.

The letter, signed by officials from the Education and Justice departments, does not have the force of law but contains an implicit threat that schools which do not abide by the Obama administration’s interpretation of the law could face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid.
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www.huffingtonpost.com...

What's a decree?...

decree

noun
1.
a formal and authoritative order, especially one having the force of law:
a presidential decree.
2.
Law. a judicial decision or order.
...

www.dictionary.com...

Heck, the Obama administration claims this...

...
The move comes as the Obama administration and North Carolina battle in federal court over a state law passed in March that limits public bathroom access for transgender people.

By passing the law, North Carolina became the first state in the country to ban people from using multiple occupancy restrooms or changing rooms in public buildings and schools that do not match the sex on their birth certificate.

“No student should ever have to go through the experience of feeling unwelcome at school or on a college campus,” Education Secretary John King Jr. said in a statement.
...

www.huffingtonpost.com...

And all women and minors have to feel uncomfortable, and unsafe by allowing all people "who see themselves trapped in a man's body but still have male sexual organs, including those that look like men" into women's restrooms, locker rooms, etc?...

The rights of women and children to not "experience a feeling of unwelcome" in their own private restrooms, locker rooms, etc do not matter?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What's a decree?...

Because Huffington calls it a decree, it is? Does it have anything at all to do with the topic of this thread. Public restrooms?

The rights of women and children to not "experience a feeling of unwelcome" in their own private restrooms, locker rooms, etc do not matter?

How would this make someone feel "unwelcome" in a restroom? Is there a law saying "no 'normal' people allowed!"


Please provide an example of a law restricting access to restrooms prior to this year.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What's a decree?...

Because Huffington calls it a decree, it is? Does it have anything at all to do with the topic of this thread. Public restrooms?

The rights of women and children to not "experience a feeling of unwelcome" in their own private restrooms, locker rooms, etc do not matter?

How would this make someone feel "unwelcome" in a restroom? Is there a law saying "no 'normal' people allowed!"


Please provide an example of a law restricting access to restrooms prior to this year.

Because Fox News and conservative media have convinced people that gays, trans people, liberals, scientists, college professors, teachers, black people , brown people, and every media source not conservative are out to get them and purposefully destroy America!!

Which is more than mildly retarded, but what do ya do??

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage
Which one?

What mandate? What law? Citation please.

...

Obama Administration To Issue Decree On Transgender Bathroom Access In Schools
“No student should ever have to go through the experience of feeling unwelcome at school or on a college campus,” Education Secretary John King Jr. said.

05/12/2016 09:24 pm ET | Updated May 12, 2016

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration will issue a sweeping decree on Friday telling every U.S. public school district to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity.

The letter, signed by officials from the Education and Justice departments, does not have the force of law but contains an implicit threat that schools which do not abide by the Obama administration’s interpretation of the law could face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid.
...

www.huffingtonpost.com...

What's a decree?...

decree

noun
1.
a formal and authoritative order, especially one having the force of law:
a presidential decree.
2.
Law. a judicial decision or order.
...

www.dictionary.com...

Heck, the Obama administration claims this...

...
The move comes as the Obama administration and North Carolina battle in federal court over a state law passed in March that limits public bathroom access for transgender people.

By passing the law, North Carolina became the first state in the country to ban people from using multiple occupancy restrooms or changing rooms in public buildings and schools that do not match the sex on their birth certificate.

“No student should ever have to go through the experience of feeling unwelcome at school or on a college campus,” Education Secretary John King Jr. said in a statement.
...

www.huffingtonpost.com...

And all women and minors have to feel uncomfortable, and unsafe by allowing all people "who see themselves trapped in a man's body but still have male sexual organs, including those that look like men" into women's restrooms, locker rooms, etc?...

The rights of women and children to not "experience a feeling of unwelcome" in their own private restrooms, locker rooms, etc do not matter?

All the women and minors are not uncomfortable with this...less than half of one specific political party is scared of everyone, lol.


That is not remotely "all the women and children."

It is quite literally only about half of conservatives who only make up 1/3 of the population...

So at best... 15% of the country, with about 10% being women and children..

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Alright, thanks for clarifying. The point is, it should be illegal to just waltz into whatever restroom one wants. A single use place, for an emergency; no one is going to complain.

Not sure I agree on your point, anyway. People are often charged for a serious crime along with a string of minor ones. Tends to get tougher sentences.

Not in the VAST MAJORITY of cases...usually with big charges you are looking at years/decades of jail time, making it impossible to pay any fines allotted and a total waste of court time and resources.. Literally any big case you point at will follow that same theme..

That is what people said about texas's anti sodomy law, until some @$$ made that he had gay neihbors called, and a piece of (beep) cop (specific cop, not all of them) showed up.

Then the couple went to jail...

What if it's not a single bathroom but the men's is out of order, and you bump into a family entering on your way out, and the family calls???

No your a sex offender...

originally posted by: Phage
Because Huffington calls it a decree, it is? Does it have anything at all to do with the topic of this thread. Public restrooms?

It is a decree/mandate and it has everything to do with this topic... School restrooms include not only schools for minors, but also colleges and universities which have public restrooms and locker rooms segregated by sex. Men now, whether they feel like a woman or not, can enter women's restrooms, if they are stopped they only need to cite 'the new mandate the Obama administration has made" and they will be allowed in women's bathrooms.

originally posted by: Phage
How would this make someone feel "unwelcome" in a restroom? Is there a law saying "no 'normal' people allowed!"

Do all, or even most women and minors feel ok by having strange people with male organs going into public restrooms, and into their locker rooms with them? You seem to think "they should just feel fine and dandy", but many women and minors don't Phage...

There have been some cities, and even some states where people have been able to vote whether or not they want these "new bathroom inclusive laws/mandates" allowing men who think they are women into women's bathrooms. Some of those cities include Houston, Fayetteville, and Springfield among others. States like Arkansas, North Carolina, and Missoury had a vote by the people and the response was no to allow men who think they are a woman inside women's restrooms, locker rooms, etc.

originally posted by: Phage
Please provide an example of a law restricting access to restrooms prior to this year.

1887 Chap. 0103. An Act To Secure Proper Sanitary Provisions In Factories And Workshops.
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archives.lib.state.ma.us...

Since then it has become a standard to provide separate public male and female restrooms, locker rooms etc. Women and minors have a right to feel secure in such private places. Not all of trangenders who have gender dysphoria are homosexual, or bysexual, and again it also gives men who simply want to use laws/mandates such as those the Obama administration is currently imposing to record women, and minors changing, or while using the restrooms, or worse, to sexually relieve themselves in women's bathrooms in the presence of women and minors, or worse.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

All the women and minors are not uncomfortable with this...less than half of one specific political party is scared of everyone, lol.

Can you actually provide evidence for this claim of yours?...

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
It is quite literally only about half of conservatives who only make up 1/3 of the population...

So at best... 15% of the country, with about 10% being women and children..

I can show you that there are even some transgenders and other people in the LGB community who are against "the new" bathroom mandates... What does that say about your claim that only "half of conservatives and just 1/3 of the population don't feel safe" ...

thefederalist.com...

Stop pulling claims out of your magic hat...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

States like Arkansas, North Carolina, and Missoury had a vote by the people and the response was no to allow men who think they are a woman inside women's restrooms, locker rooms, etc.

You know what? The majority often trods on the rights of minorities.

Since then it has become a standard to provide separate public male and female restrooms, locker rooms etc. Women and minors have a right to feel secure in such private places.

Yeah, well. It didn't help the girl in the OP much, did it? Didn't help other victims of restroom assaults, has it? Feeling "secure" in a public restroom has not really been a prudent point of view for a long time. Criminals have been using public restrooms for a very long time.

originally posted by: Phage
You know what? The majority often trods on the rights of minorities.

You know what? having rights doesn't mean the ability to impose your will on everyone else. With rights there are responsibilities as well.

What should have occurred is either to include a different restroom, locker rooms section for people with gender dysphoria. Or if people want them again to have only private stalls with all inclusive sexes, but completely private that only one person can enter and lock. That way people with gender dysphoria have their own separate restrooms and women and minors who don't want people with sexual male organs with them in the restroom, locker rooms etc, also have their own place.

Heck, in the last example I gave it even gives people who are shy their own private space when using the restroom and locker rooms.

originally posted by: Phage
Yeah, well. It didn't help the girl in the OP much, did it? Didn't help other victims of restroom assaults, has it? Feeling "secure" in a public restroom has not really been a prudent point of view for a long time.

If that is your stance we might as well not have the police at all...After all, there are still crimes occurring even when we have police departments everywhere... So, heck, let's just get rid of all LEAs and allow all crimes to occur heh Phage?...

If you didn't understand the analogy I made, it is simple. You are now claiming that because in the past there have been men who were able to enter women's restrooms and were able to get away with whatever heinous crimes they wanted to commit, that we should allow all men who want to into women's restrooms... After all, there were some men in the past who were able to get away with it. That is your stance now Phage...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You know what? having rights doesn't mean the ability to impose your will on everyone else.

You mean on anyone else?

Or if people want them again to have only private stalls with all inclusive sexes, but completely private that only one person can enter and lock.

Every mens' room I've been in has lockable stalls.

Heck, in the last example I gave it even gives people who are shy their own private space when using the restroom and locker rooms.

I don't suppose you read that White House "decree", did you?

If that is your stance we might as well not have the police at all...After all, there are still crimes occurring even when we have police departments everywhere... So, heck, let's just get rid of all LEAs and allow all crimes to occur heh Phage?...

That's not what I said. I said that the notion that a public restroom has ever been "secure" is naive. I never let my daughter enter a public restroom alone. Did the police prevent the girl in the OP from being attacked?

You are now claiming that because in the past there have been men who were able to enter women's restrooms and were able to get away with whatever heinous crimes they wanted to commit, that we should allow all men who want to into women's restrooms.

No, I'm not claiming that. I'm claiming that preventing transexuals from using their restroom of choice does not make public restrooms any safer than they have ever been.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

All the women and minors are not uncomfortable with this...less than half of one specific political party is scared of everyone, lol.

Can you actually provide evidence for this claim of yours?...

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
It is quite literally only about half of conservatives who only make up 1/3 of the population...

So at best... 15% of the country, with about 10% being women and children..

I can show you that there are even some transgenders and other people in the LGB community who are against "the new" bathroom mandates... What does that say about your claim that only "half of conservatives and just 1/3 of the population don't feel safe" ...

thefederalist.com...

Stop pulling claims out of your magic hat...

www.gallup.com...


Here is the political break up of the country. By population.


Only republicans are for the NC law and/or are scared of perverts dressing up as transsexuals and attacking people...

Only republicans think this law will have any effect on the countries perverts at all..

So if 25% of the population are republicans, I'm guessing about 1/3 are women, then that means MAYBE 10% of the population would agree with you.

Isn't this a democracy??? Should 10% be deciding how everyone else lives??


What there is one or 2 lesbians that agree with you?!?!? Lol

It's called the LBGT movement... The T is for trans...

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I guess the OP has the motto of "never let a tragedy go to waste".

It's pretty low to politicize an 8 year old's victimization. Nowhere in the article does it state that the guy identified as a woman but you have put that spin on it nonetheless. Disgusting.

Prayers for the girl, hopefully she isn't too damaged from this incident.

What makes you think he has to say how he identifies anyways ?

The facts are, allowing people easier access to areas they have previously been shunned from is going to certainly make for interesting times.

And anyone can say or not say ANYTHING about how they identify, I find it more than just a little stupid that we can all claim how we "feel" and that is A-OK with this, but ONLY with trans people DAMMIT!!

a reply to: ParasuvO

The facts are, allowing people easier access to areas they have previously been shunned from is going to certainly make for interesting times.

Easier how? What is being allowed now which was not before?

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
randomthoughts12

OP implied numerous times that this was a transgender issue. Why else would we bring it up?

So you admit that anyone can claim to be a transgender ??

Why do you freely and completely seem to be saying that ONLY REAL transgenders who actually believe they ARE the other sex will be the ones using the bathroom that does not match their body parts.

What is it , with the fixation on screaming at people that we all just need to accept the notions of others no matter how stupid it actually is ?

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: DOCHOLIDAZE1

They aren't some crossdressers. They have done studies on the brains of trans people and for you to say something like that is ignorant.

Brain studies have been done for thousands of years, and lately, and they are INCOMPLETE indeed, and on purpose.

The facts are THIS, we IN those washrooms do not have access to the brain scans, and cannot tell the difference ( for the most part people cannot )

Some of us CAN see the differences, and can adjust to accommodate, but the majority CANNOT.

Why should this type of thinking tell us, that we must accept ALL who SAY they are different, and want to use the OTHER washroom because they are afraid someone may in the washroom that is tailored to the BODY PARTS that MATCHES THEM , may not LIKE THEM !!

This is all going in an interesting direction, no one is going to accept this garbage for much longer, it just is not a feasible solution to tell us all to just not question why a dude is going into a mens washroom, or why some hot chick is using the mens washroom, no matter WHAT you say or do, you are in fact wasting time, in thinking that this acceptance is the key.

Find another solution, and stop freaking out that we all do not want to "Believe" everyone on how they "Feel" and make everything beautiful perfectly for them.

ParasuvO

Anyone can claim to be anything. Isn't that a given?

(Look I'm a Venus Flytrap!)

The fact is, I never denied that. Why do you think I did?

As it stands anyone can go into any bathroom anywhere. Nothing is stopping them. However, as we have seen with this sordid tale of bathroom abuse, regular old dudes (albeit in this case a sick and twisted specimen) can do messed up stuff and they don't even need to pretend to be TG. But of course, as soon as we realized that TGs were violatin' our poopin' space, it's all of a sudden a huge issue. I'm sick to the gills of debating this asinine debacle, however, as I, frankly, do not care where ANYONE drops a deuce. Just as long as its not on the floor.

The fact remains, public potties were never safe. The fact that you only realized that when your unquenchable bigotry reared its ugly head, is indicative of your personality type. If you are worried that your womenfolk aren't safe in public commodes, protect them. Protect your sons too. Because violent bathroom attacks are nothing new. Its sad but, unfortunately, true.

Furthermore, in the future, if you can definitively prove that transsexuals have directly leant to the measurable increase of restroom violence, I'll gladly eat my hat.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
ElectricUniverse

So, again, what is stopping them NOW?

I dunno where you live, but where I live, if some dude walks into a womens restroom he is scrutinized beyond all belief, and if women have a problem with it dude can be risking a serious beating.

THAT is what is and SHOULD be stopping them NOW, but since this media coverage and crying by all those that we should let everyone waltz in cause they THINK they should now we have to be more careful about making sure buddy isn't some freak getting his fantasies out ???????

originally posted by: peppycat
So, is the transgender bathroom issue the new doom porn... am I supposed to worry now whenever I go into a restroom that there will be a man (that doesn't really identify as a woman) claiming he does identify as a woman for the sole purpose that he can attack a female in a bathroom?

Is this issue a distraction for us to ignore other possible issues going on?

Was there an issue concerning the topic prior?
I've never had a problem or have read of a problem concerning the transgender bathroom issue/law before this law came up in the news.

Give me Nibiru any day! Maybe aliens have arrived and the only way to see them is with sun glasses... while we focus on who is or should be using what bathroom.
It doesn't take a bathroom for sick people to do horrible things.

You should ask yourself why it is so important to OPPOSE the way things are in this case, instead of claiming it has no impact.

Accomodating anyone who wants to walk anywhere is NOT PROGRESS!!!