Hillary Clinton Now Loses to Trump in Polls. Bernie Sanders Beats Trump by 10.8 Points.

Well I wouldn't hold my breath on this, but it is refreshing.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

I hate trump but despise Hillary more and would pick Bernie over either of those two worthless individuals that have absolutely zero integrity.

If Democrats truly fear a Trump presidency, then superdelegates should make certain Bernie Sanders wins the contested Democratic convention. Bernie Sanders is obviously the best chance for a Democrat in the White House, primarily because he defeats Donald Trump, without the litany of scandals or question marks possessed by Clinton.

If Democrats want to win, they’ll nominate Bernie Sanders, especially since the FBI hasn’t yet disclosed the findings if its investigation

Isn't Huffingtonpost a left leaning source as well?

a reply to: interupt42

Some shady stuff going on. There are not that many Hillary supporters for her to come close to leading over Trump like she was. I guess it depends "which" poll also.


iTruthSeeker

I'd vote for Bernie. If he isn't going to make it I am not going to bother voting, let the ones who are voting for the lesser of two evils elect our president. Personally, I have nothing against Trump, but I would rather be his friend or employee than have him as president of this country. Hillary says she doesn't change here policy at all, technically this is not a lie. Her policy is to deceive everyone and she is good at that. That is her policy, tell people whatever they want so they vote for you.

Sadly she is to selfish and arrogant to stand down
Maybe she knows something

Yeah and Kasich beat them both awhile ago. Polls like this are misleading.

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Some shady stuff going on

There are not that many Hillary supporters for her to come close to leading over Trump like she was

Without a doubt .

This election year is about sealing the fate of Obamacare and Bernie already said he would take out the insurance companies who are behind Hillary. That is going to cost him the election.

Unfortunately unless a miracle happens I see Hillary getting the election not because she earned it or because she has the most support , but because its rigged and she is a proven corporate Prostitute.

Trump is just to much a liability because he likes to talk before thinking. Hence the lobbyist support is for the proven corporate team prostitute known as Hillary. Who and what the lobbyist want , they get:

Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy

Isn't Huffingtonpost a left leaning source as well?

Yep. But really, Trump and Hillary are going to be in a statistical dead heat from now until the election, most likely.

I'm always curious as to where Bernie gets this "integrity". He's basically been a do-nothing in congress, and was even head of the VA during it's recent scandals. Where does his "integrity" come from? And why do people think he'd succeed at ANYTHING, as he's made a career of basically non-success?

a reply to: interupt42

I would vote Bernie over Trump, and Trump over Hillary. I can't stand Hillary.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: interupt42

I would vote Bernie over Trump, and Trump over Hillary. I can't stand Hillary.

I approve this message.

Thats pretty much how I feel

originally posted by: Gazrok

Isn't Huffingtonpost a left leaning source as well?

Yep. But really, Trump and Hillary are going to be in a statistical dead heat from now until the election, most likely.

I'm always curious as to where Bernie gets this "integrity". He's basically been a do-nothing in congress, and was even head of the VA during it's recent scandals. Where does his "integrity" come from? And why do people think he'd succeed at ANYTHING, as he's made a career of basically non-success?

Ya, but compared to Hillary and Trump, he scores the highest on the honesty meter. All politicians have "integrity" issues to some degree.

a reply to: Gazrok

Where does his "integrity" come from?

Doing and saying the same thing ineffectually for 40 years.

He needs to drop out and stop stealing from Americans under the guise that he still has a chance. That or at least state that the money he's excepting is going to the DNC when he drops out. Hurr durr everyone should get to vote. If you have ten people voting and 7 of them vote against you just conceded you kook.

Well, I dislike Trump and think Hillary would be less of a disaster (fractionally)
However,
The biggest supporters of Hillary are some of the most intolerable smarmy self rightous safe space snowflakes I have ever witnessed. The whole vote for genitals thing has rubbed me the wrong way also, so...fine. at the very least, it will kick those twats back down for 4 years and make them reflect on just what toxic crap the social elitist crowd has become..literally destroying an election and perhaps setting the country back for their feels.

Sanders I like to an extent, but he is very far from perfect, and I like his plans, but that doesn't mean I think his plans are reasonable or should be implemented..I like lots of dumb things.

a reply to: Gazrok

I'm always curious as to where Bernie gets this "integrity". He's basically been a do-nothing in congress, and was even head of the VA during it's recent scandals. Where does his "integrity" come from? And why do people think he'd succeed at ANYTHING, as he's made a career of basically non-success?

Oh I didn't say anything about Bernies accomplishment, only that Hillary and Trump have been proven to have zero integrity.

Actually, I hope Bernie gets elected and DOES absolutely nothing in congress ,since when congress acts we get screwed.


IMO the only way we will fix our issues is by concentrating on the core problem in this country which is conflict of interest and corruptions between big money and gov't.

The reason I would pick Bernie over trump or Hillary is because he is atleast primarily talking about corruption and conflict of interest. Which isn't much, but is a huge step in the right direction.

Can't fix corruption which effects everything ,if its not even discussed by our officials. Bernie leads that effort then trump to some extent and Hillary , well Hillary is the poster child for conflict of interest and corruption.

originally posted by: Gazrok
as he's made a career of basically non-success?

Well, to play sound bites

Is a failure in working within a corrupt system a success in being trusted by the people?

a reply to: interupt42

Polls lol.

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Just another way to get some propaganda out there to swing voters or sales. I wouldn't trust any of them, even if it is rational and logical that Sanders would be beating the mother of all lies.

Just waiting for Correct the Record to jump in and discount this poll. 3... 2... 1....

Cheers - Dave

The consistency I have found with political polls is mostly that polls have been DEAD WRONG this entire election season.

Trump isn't even supposed to be here. He was supposed to be out months ago.

And yet, 16 competitors, smoked and dusted into the pages of history.

So there's that.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

I don't disagree with how the polls are skewed or irrelevant, but what I find intriguing is the overall trend. The over all trend is now shifting from Hillary winning to trailing even on Left leaning sources.


Unfortunately, I still think that she will likely get the win simply because she is a proven Corporate prostitute. However, this gives me hope that maybe there is a .01% chance I could be wrong and even the lobbyist and MSM will turn on her.

Ya, but compared to Hillary and Trump, he scores the highest on the honesty meter. All politicians have "integrity" issues to some degree.

I really don't expect integrity from ANY political candidate. Nor is it a trait I'd value in one.
Simply put, I just want one who will make policy based on how it benefits the people they represent. What's in it for us? kind of attitude.

I can certainly sympathize with liking Bernie for the reason that he won't get anything done. In a way, it's why I like Trump too. (because Congress acting, typically doesn't go so well, hehe...)

But, the difference for me, is that Bernie's ideas, if some DO go through, will hit me hard in the wallet while benefiting others, not me. What? How is that a deal? No thanks.

Whereas Trump's ideas, if any got through, are more in line with my own thoughts anyhow. So action or not, still OK.

The consistency I have found with political polls is mostly that polls have been DEAD WRONG this entire election season. Trump isn't even supposed to be here. He was supposed to be out months ago. And yet, 16 competitors, smoked and dusted into the pages of history. So there's that.

It's a fair enough point.

Personally, I expect the polls will be more of a dead heat for the rest of the campaign.

a reply to: Gazrok

But, the difference for me, is that Bernie's ideas, if some DO go through, will hit me hard in the wallet while benefiting others, not me. What? How is that a deal? No thanks.

I'm with you on that. However, we currently have an Oligarch in place that is doing extremely well financially.

Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy

Hence why would they fix something that isn't broke , or risk breaking the current system? Bernie implementing anything socialist would change and likely break their existing system and make it less lucrative for them. I just don't see them back tracking and implementing socialist ideas when they have a fully functioning Oligarch in place..

Whereas Trump's ideas, if any got through, are more in line with my own thoughts anyhow. So action or not, still OK.

Trumps ideas change on the day of the week or audience he is catering to.

Although he has been consistent on building a wall which is not necessary nor will it stop illegals from coming. They come here because AMERICAN companies are giving them incentives to come here. The Top 3 offenders of illegals are also among the strongest lobbyist : Agriculture, Hospitality, and Construction. Fine each of those American companies that hire them 50K per illegal and they will stop hiring them. If American companies stop hiring them the majority will stop coming. Coincidently trump is involved in two of those industry: Construction and Hospitality industries.

He also stated about getting control of the internet.

Although , I agree with some of the things he says but even on those things I have 0 faith that he will do what he says.

On the other hand I do believe Bernie will keep TALKING about corruption and conflict of interest in DC despite likely not doing anything about it. Its a very small step but a significant one.

We need to talk about corruption and making that issue number 1 versus the same old rehash of jobs,economy,racism,SS,sexism,Healthcare.immigration and every other issue every candidate and MSM keeps focusing on for the last 5 decades .

Not one of those issues been appropriately addressed because they are all effected by issue number 1 : corruption and conflict of interest.