Understanding Jewish Influence

Originally posted by eslag90
hmm... Where to start. Judaism is not a race. If it were, then you're all talking about yourselves. All of you have some Jewish ancestors. The thinkig of jews as a race did begin with the Nazis.

Judaism is a race and that did not begin with the Nazis.

"The distinctive character of the Jew does not arise solely from his
religion. It is true that his race and religion are indissolubly connected,
... . but whatever be the cause of this junction of the race idea with the
religion, it is very certain that the religion alone does not constitute the
people. A believer in the Jewish faith does not by reason of that fact become
a Jew. On the other hand, however, a Jew by birth remains a Jew, even
though he abjures his religion."
-- Leo N. Levi, President of B'nai B'rith 1900-1904.

Arthur D. Lewis, a Jewish writer, in his "The Jews a Nation," also bases nationality on the racial
element:
"The Jews were originally a nation, and have retained more than most nations one of the elements
of nationality -- namely, the race element; this may be proved, of course, by the common sense test of
their distinguishability. You can more easily see that a Jew is a Jew than that an Englishman is
English."

Here are some others:

"You cannot be English Jews. We are a race, and only as a race can we perpetuate. Our mentality is of a Hebraic character, and differs from that of an Englishman. Enough subterfuges! Let us assert openly that we are International Jews." - Gerald Soman, Chairman of the World Jewry Fellowship, in its official manifesto, January 1, 1935.

"Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the Jewish people a race, and we are a race." - Rabbi Stephen Wise, N.Y. Herald-Tribune, June 13, 1938.

"Let us recognize that we Jews are a distinct nationality of which every Jew, whatever his country, his station, or shade of belief, is necessarily a member." - Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Ct. Justice, Zionism, page 113.

"So they said to him, 'What sign can you do, that we may see and believe in you? What can you do? Our ancestors ate manna in the desert, as it is written:
'He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'
"So Jesus said to them, 'Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is that wich comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.' "

No one should hate anybody.
"But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, 'Raqa,' will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, 'You fool,' will be liable to fiery Gehenna."

"..go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Settle with your OPPONENT quickly while on the way to court with him."

If you believe Judaism is a race than what are converts. Are you saying that the messiah wont be a Jew. The Messiah will be a decendant of King David. King David was a decendant of Ruth. Ruth converted. Judaism is more than a connection of ancestry. It's a connection of religion and faith.

Originally posted by eslag90
If you believe Judaism is a race than what are converts.

I believe that it is a race and that people remain Jewish even if they become agnostic.

Woody Allen is an Athiest.
Would you say that he is not still Jewish?

How about Albert Einstein?
He was also an athiest.
Would you say that he is not Jewish?

[edit on 26-1-2005 by AceOfBase]

Jews are a people. Anyone can be included or excluded.

Quote: "Because many Jews were Literate during the middle ages - they became scribes and did other high profiled jobs."

Yes the Jewish people are quite Intelligent. How else can you explain how many are Doctors & Lawyers? Yes the Jewish people are just that - Jewish PEOPLE! We are ALL Human People!!! What is the source of this ILLUSION that says we are so Different from each other? "Divide & Conquer" - so that Murder is Justified? It is so easy to Demonize your Enemies - what ever happened to Civilization? What ever happened to Discussion - trying to Work out Problems like Adults?

Pupp - I think that YOU are the one with the Diseased Mind!!!

[edit on 26-1-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

The question of Jews being a race is dismissed by modern anthropology. Race is used by politicians and others who gain from the idea of race. If we are referring to race as a biological term, Jewish people are not any different biologically to Asian people. A Jewish person's DNA sequence may be the same as someone of Asian descent.
Race as biological is disproved by modern anthropology. FYI.

Originally posted by Prince_Machiavelli
Jewish people are not any different biologically to Asian people. A Jewish person's DNA sequence may be the same as someone of Asian descent.
Race as biological is disproved by modern anthropology. FYI.

Sorry Prince but I have to disagree with you there.
If there were no biological difference between races then why are some races more likely to get certain diseases than other races?

Center for Jewish Genetic Diseases: Canavan
Although Canavan disease may occur in families of many different ethnic backgrounds, it is significantly more common among Ashkenazi Jews. It is estimated that approximately 1 in 40 Ashkenazi Jews are carriers of Canavan disease.

Center for Jewish Genetic Diseases: Dysautonomia
FD is inherited in an autosomal recessive manner and affects boys and girls equally. It only occurs in families of Ashkenazi Jewish descent.

Center for Jewish Genetic Diseases: Fanconi Anemia
Although five subtypes of Fanconi Anemia exist, it is only Type C that occurs with increased frequency among individuals with Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. It is estimated that approximately 1 in 89 Ashkenazi Jewish individuals are carriers of Type C.

Center for Jewish Genetic Diseases: Gaucher disease
There are three clinical subtypes of Gaucher disease, which are distinguished by the absence or presence and severity of neurologic complications. Type 1 disease, which does not involve the nervous system, occurs with high prevalence among Ashkenazi Jews. Approximately 1 in every 12 Ashkenazi Jewish individuals is a carrier of a gene mutation that causes Gaucher Type 1.

Center for Jewish Genetic Diseases: Niemann-Pick disease
Both Type A and B Niemann-Pick disease are inherited in an autosomal recessive manner. When both parents are carriers of sphingomyelinase gene mutations, there is a 1 in 4 (25%) chance in each pregnancy to have an affected child. It has been estimated that approximately two-thirds of all infants with Niemann-Pick Type A disease are of Ashkenazi Jewish descent, and approximately 1/80 Ashkenazi Jews are carriers of Type A.

Center for Jewish Genetic Diseases: Tay-Sachs disease

Tay-Sachs disease is inherited in an autosomal recessive manner. Each parent of an affected child is a carrier of the disease. For such a "carrier couple," there is a 1 in 4 (25%) chance in each pregnancy to have an affected child. Although Tay-Sachs disease may occur in families of different ethnic backgrounds, it is significantly more common among Ashkenazi Jews. It is estimated that approximately 1 in 25 Ashkenazi Jews are carriers of Tay-Sachs disease. At present no treatment is available for Tay-Sachs disease. Therefore, emphasis has been placed on public education, carrier screening, and prenatal diagnosis for the prevention of this devastating disease.

How do explain the difference in prevalence of these diseases?

I didn't feel like argueing it, so, I just scanned my cultural anthropology book. It goes more in-depth but I didn't want to scan it all.

Links to Scanned Book on Race not being Biological:
Race 1
Race 2
Race 3
Race 4
Race 5
--All scanned from college textbook on cultural anthropology, written by Conrad Phillip Kottak.