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originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
The Earth is an infinitesimal nothing in the vastness of the universe.
Our ancient ancestors worshiped things carved out of stone & wood. Now, in the age of the Internet & space travel, here we go again.
There is a difference between treating the Earth, the planetary organism of which we are a part, with reverence, and believing that splashing some goat's blood on a lump of rock can bring us prosperity or wreak havoc on our enemies. We know now that humanity is the result of billions of years of cosmic evolution... from the primordial soup of the "Big Bang," through generations of stars fusing hydrogen into heavier elements, then those elements coming together to form our solar system, then us. We now understand that we are the product of the Cosmos, in a very real way. There's nothing wrong with viewing Earth as our Mother and showing her some respect.
It just seems to me that God should be 'greater' than creation. The attribution of deity to 'the created' seems rather paltry, primitive and insufficient to explain nature.
God, by very definition must be supreme, over and beyond everything else.
When God was asked about who He was (by Moses), He replied "I am".
God is not defined by the universe or anything in it. His existence defines all else.
We shouldn't "foul our nest", so to speak, that is a given, but similarly we shouldn't anthropomorphize the environment we find ourselves in. It is not conscious, intelligent or 'caring'.
originally posted by: DOCHOLIDAZE1
a reply to: GemmyMcGemJew
we also need shelter, predators can live in the elements without shelter or clothing, we also need clean water and cooked food,preadators just need any water or blood and dont need to cook to survive, predators can just use there god given bodys to hunt, we need tools,we also need fire and friends as to not to become prey, pack predators can put aside there petty difference and protect themselves from most adversaries and other predators,
if we are so advanced why do we need so much babying just to survive as a species. if evolution was true we would have all the animal quality's that we dont have, and human qualitys we now have and truly be an ultimate predator, but we are not, we are an intelligent beings that survives through thought and teamwork , humans in this world could not stand toe to toe with an animal predator(and some cases plant eaters), wether it is surviving any given environment and or one on one combat to the death.
so why did we evolve frail and weak in a harsh cruel and unforgiving wilderness?
another thing, why would our strength decline? if we descended from monkeys would we not keep the strength monkeys now have( i believe pound for pound chimps are close to two times stronger then us), you know survival of the fittest?
and all.
originally posted by: SuspiciousTom
I was sitting and thinking the other day, Earth fits the perfect criteria to be our "God", ...
originally posted by: nOraKat
a reply to: chr0naut
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
The Earth is an infinitesimal nothing in the vastness of the universe.
Our ancient ancestors worshiped things carved out of stone & wood. Now, in the age of the Internet & space travel, here we go again.
There is a difference between treating the Earth, the planetary organism of which we are a part, with reverence, and believing that splashing some goat's blood on a lump of rock can bring us prosperity or wreak havoc on our enemies. We know now that humanity is the result of billions of years of cosmic evolution... from the primordial soup of the "Big Bang," through generations of stars fusing hydrogen into heavier elements, then those elements coming together to form our solar system, then us. We now understand that we are the product of the Cosmos, in a very real way. There's nothing wrong with viewing Earth as our Mother and showing her some respect.
It just seems to me that God should be 'greater' than creation. The attribution of deity to 'the created' seems rather paltry, primitive and insufficient to explain nature.
God, by very definition must be supreme, over and beyond everything else.
When God was asked about who He was (by Moses), He replied "I am".
God is not defined by the universe or anything in it. His existence defines all else.
We shouldn't "foul our nest", so to speak, that is a given, but similarly we shouldn't anthropomorphize the environment we find ourselves in. It is not conscious, intelligent or 'caring'.
The same way our cells, have come to make the body, it is possible that all of life on the planet is an emergent body. The internet can be viewed like connections between neurons and synapses. Water pipes, electric cables and highways something analogous to veins. Life on a different level, but with emergent properties.
There is the Pantheistic view which is one where "God" does not exist outside of nature but *is* the nature.
originally posted by: GemmyMcGemJew
a reply to: cooperton
"Foxes have dens and birds have nests but man has no place to lay his head"
Lmao. Foxes can make dens, birds can make nests but humans are unable to make shelter like most the other animals out there. THAT IS PRICELESS.
Did caves not exist before jesus? So laughable.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: nOraKat
a reply to: chr0naut
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
The Earth is an infinitesimal nothing in the vastness of the universe.
Our ancient ancestors worshiped things carved out of stone & wood. Now, in the age of the Internet & space travel, here we go again.
There is a difference between treating the Earth, the planetary organism of which we are a part, with reverence, and believing that splashing some goat's blood on a lump of rock can bring us prosperity or wreak havoc on our enemies. We know now that humanity is the result of billions of years of cosmic evolution... from the primordial soup of the "Big Bang," through generations of stars fusing hydrogen into heavier elements, then those elements coming together to form our solar system, then us. We now understand that we are the product of the Cosmos, in a very real way. There's nothing wrong with viewing Earth as our Mother and showing her some respect.
It just seems to me that God should be 'greater' than creation. The attribution of deity to 'the created' seems rather paltry, primitive and insufficient to explain nature.
God, by very definition must be supreme, over and beyond everything else.
When God was asked about who He was (by Moses), He replied "I am".
God is not defined by the universe or anything in it. His existence defines all else.
We shouldn't "foul our nest", so to speak, that is a given, but similarly we shouldn't anthropomorphize the environment we find ourselves in. It is not conscious, intelligent or 'caring'.
a reply to: chr0naut
The same way our cells, have come to make the body, it is possible that all of life on the planet is an emergent body. The internet can be viewed like connections between neurons and synapses. Water pipes, electric cables and highways something analogous to veins. Life on a different level, but with emergent properties.
There is the Pantheistic view which is one where "God" does not exist outside of nature but *is* the nature.
Yes but the idea is broken at the point of first cause.
Only something beyond time could be free of the limitation.