I was once an atheist.

originally posted by: ketsuko
I love my husband and my son more than I ever felt it was possible to love anyone. Then I felt for a few fleeting moments love on the divine scale. To say "love" was the same emotion, and it was, is like seeing a Great Dane after a Chihuahua and calling them dogs, the magnitude is just that different.

It boggles my mind that people feel the need to equate love for your family with anything divine.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: ketsuko
I love my husband and my son more than I ever felt it was possible to love anyone. Then I felt for a few fleeting moments love on the divine scale. To say "love" was the same emotion, and it was, is like seeing a Great Dane after a Chihuahua and calling them dogs, the magnitude is just that different.

It boggles my mind that people feel the need to equate love for your family with anything divine.

Really?

I don't see that as strange. I think maybe Bell's theory and quantum entanglement point to a possible entire layer of existence we don't understand on the quantum level. Maybe that is God. I am not making that arguement but I wouldn't laugh at it either.

What boggles my mind is why people think they can discriminate against people over sexuality or gender and still think they are spiritual.

a reply to: chr0naut
If the microbe is thinking, it has every right to think it's GOD because it is. There is nothing else and everything is.

a reply to: luthier

I don't see that as strange. I think maybe Bell's theory and quantum entanglement point to a possible entire layer of existence we don't understand on the quantum level.

We don't understand because most people believe that everything is "outside" of themselves, when in reality, everything comes from their mind. Everything is a product of our minds - where everything is entangled. That's why I believe they find no answer, they're looking in the wrong place.

a reply to: PanPiper

I was once a catholic.
Only because my parents were and I was put into their school system, and tunneled like sheep through various 'milestones' and then rewarded for completing them.
Then I met my religion teacher in highschool, he tried to challenge me on the old straw man argument "the eye is to complex for it to evolve". It opened a whole new world to me, spent a good three years watching YT videos, reading religious books, etc.

The final nail in the coffin was when I started working in the welding field, especially what I do now, manufacturing rail cars.
Last time I checked, god has no say when 128 men ranging from 19 - 65 can build 16 complete rail cars in less than 24 hours. Humans are gods.

Also, I do not think you understand what atheism really means. It means, you believe in nothing, it has no doctrine, no place of worship, it has no holy books, or a 'beginning' it's the true meaning of you have no feeling for a religious purpose or believe in a god(s), or even recognize the ones we made up thousands of years ago.

originally posted by: donktheclown
a reply to: luthier

I don't see that as strange. I think maybe Bell's theory and quantum entanglement point to a possible entire layer of existence we don't understand on the quantum level.

We don't understand because most people believe that everything is "outside" of themselves, when in reality, everything comes from their mind. Everything is a product of our minds - where everything is entangled. That's why I believe they find no answer, they're looking in the wrong place.

Maybe. I do question this as well. It's certainly a good explanation to how early cultures some technologically limited like budhism have predicted molecular and atom like elements into their belief systems.

There is the real possibility though it's like Kant described and there is reality as it exists in itself and then there is reality that we can understand with our limited senses and mental capacity. We can only understand the latter.

We thought we knew I stone was a stone, then we found out you could melt it down into usable things, then we found out it's not a stone but mostly empty space particles dancing, then we found out those particles interact and influence other particles not in close proximity. When I try to wrap my small mind around this it's incredible and confusing.

We also constitute our own reality through observation and action. So acutely we can observe a dream, remember it, and create it in a physical form. Something many people take for granted. Include the possibility there is a quantum entanglement like phenomenon with thoughts (collective consciousness) and possibly the interaction with genes and this quantum like field....

All just philosophical theory on my part. This is why I couldn't last as a strong atheist. I have to start argueing against concepts that are so incredibly massive in mental capacity I just have to be agnostic to the idea.

originally posted by: PanPiper

Atheism is refuting God or the concept of God and relying that you can teach the values of morals and dogmas of society.

Being an atheist is just another creed of being a Christian, it just demands more of you being a human.

False.

I am Atheist. I believe in a "God" but I do not equalize that with a religion attached to it. Btw...society lacks a lot of good morals and values so you cannot teach a retarded dog new tricks.

Note, Christianity was the easier way for you to get to understand God...through THEIR writing of the scripture and because you have a family already following that religious path. That doesn't mean you should be Christian in a multicultural society, why not go Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism, etc...?

I get it...life can be demanding, challenging and sometimes painful, but that doesn't mean being an Atheist has anything to do with it...it just means you are a human being.

Me thinks you still are an Atheist hiding in the closest with Christian mindsets.

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

You cant just change words to fit your purpose, does not quite work that way..
Its like i say;" I want a pizza" and get a hamburger and say; "well they are both fast food so whats the difference.."

a reply to: luthier

I think maybe Bell's theory and quantum entanglement point to a possible entire layer of existence we don't understand on the quantum level

Maybe that is fantasy?

Why do people on Ats pretend they were once an atheist, to somehow add validity as being a Christian. It's happening nearly everyday it seems. So you were an atheist as a child living in a Christian family? Have you always used lardy Di Dar sentences before you found god?if true you seem to have fully integrated with the terminology and apparantly communication with god.

Getting silly now and people believe this deception.

All I ask is that you be honest and pot ray this experience for what it is, an experience. You love god and he loves you, fair enough. I don't know the tragedies you have hard nor what su stances you have taken but please don't mislead people on this "atheists journey".

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Not to be a total male genitalia but if you hold a belief in God you are not an atheist. An atheist at the very least needs to hold no beliefs about God. The agnostic/weak atheist would simply hold no beliefs in God.

There are other names for beliefs in God without religion. Diesm, pantheism, animism just to name a few.

a reply to: strongfp

Also, I do not think you understand what atheism really means. It means, you believe in nothing, it has no doctrine, no place of worship, it has no holy books, or a 'beginning' it's the true meaning of you have no feeling for a religious purpose or believe in a god(s), or even recognize the ones we made up thousands of years ago.

That is why i added the source to atheism in the OP.. SO people do not just put their own words in their own belief instead of cultural dogma..

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: luthier

I think maybe Bell's theory and quantum entanglement point to a possible entire layer of existence we don't understand on the quantum level

Maybe that is fantasy?

What is fantasy? Quantum mechanics? Or my association in the context. The latter I can see being possible.

a reply to: GemmyMcGemJew

Your opinion stays with you, that is the great thing about a modernized world.. If you do not agree, just post it online, maybe someone agrees with you..

a reply to: luthier

Quantum mechanics, we do not know what it is, but it is there..

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: luthier

Quantum mechanics, we do not know what it is, but it is there..

Thats the same with every human development at its infancy. Same goes for religion. It started out vague and became specific.

Quantum mechanics based expirements have been reproduced as have entanglement and Bell's theory tests. We are just writing the first chapter to a whole branch of physics that exists beyound our senses and requires our mind to surpass our other physical limitations (with the aid of technology).

So yeah it's a bit vague right now in terms of applying layman terms and simple explanations. That doesn't mean it's fantasy. Just look what we did with atomic physics. I doubt you question the bomb.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: luthier

Quantum mechanics, we do not know what it is, but it is there..

Thats the same with every human development at its infancy. Same goes for religion. It started out vague and became specific.

Quantum mechanics based expirements have been reproduced as have entanglement and Bell's theory tests. We are just writing the first chapter to a whole branch of physics that exists beyound our senses and requires our mind to surpass our other physical limitations (with the aid of technology).

So yeah it's a bit vague right now in terms of applying layman terms and simple explanations. That doesn't mean it's fantasy. Just look what we did with atomic physics. I doubt you question the bomb.

QM has been well understood for quite some time. It is one of Physics' biggest success stories, with experiment mirroring theory. Dont forget that the transistor works on QM principles and this was developed in late 1940s

My point is that we havent JUST started to gain an insight into QM .

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: luthier

Quantum mechanics, we do not know what it is, but it is there..

We know very well what it "is".

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: luthier

Quantum mechanics, we do not know what it is, but it is there..

Thats the same with every human development at its infancy. Same goes for religion. It started out vague and became specific.

Quantum mechanics based expirements have been reproduced as have entanglement and Bell's theory tests. We are just writing the first chapter to a whole branch of physics that exists beyound our senses and requires our mind to surpass our other physical limitations (with the aid of technology).

So yeah it's a bit vague right now in terms of applying layman terms and simple explanations. That doesn't mean it's fantasy. Just look what we did with atomic physics. I doubt you question the bomb.

QM has been well understood for quite some time. It is one of Physics' biggest success stories, with experiment mirroring theory. Dont forget that the transistor works on QM principles and this was developed in late 1940s

My point is that we havent JUST started to gain an insight into QM .

Well when you compare the field of QM to physics as a whole it's definitely the beginning.
Its a cornerstone of physics today and we know some things. But we definately are in its infancy regardless of the current understanding. So much of the expirements require advanced equipt half of the fields expirements havent even been able to be done until about 20 years ago.

So no QM is not well known in terms of how many questions things like entanglement and phantom particles imposes on predictable expirements beyound observing the particles in a basic snapshop.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: luthier

Quantum mechanics, we do not know what it is, but it is there..

Thats the same with every human development at its infancy. Same goes for religion. It started out vague and became specific.

Quantum mechanics based expirements have been reproduced as have entanglement and Bell's theory tests. We are just writing the first chapter to a whole branch of physics that exists beyound our senses and requires our mind to surpass our other physical limitations (with the aid of technology).

So yeah it's a bit vague right now in terms of applying layman terms and simple explanations. That doesn't mean it's fantasy. Just look what we did with atomic physics. I doubt you question the bomb.

QM has been well understood for quite some time. It is one of Physics' biggest success stories, with experiment mirroring theory. Dont forget that the transistor works on QM principles and this was developed in late 1940s

My point is that we havent JUST started to gain an insight into QM .

Well when you compare the field of QM to physics as a whole it's definitely the beginning.

We dont know that for sure. Also, i would suggest that we have a fair bit more than an insight into it.

But hey, i could be wrong.