Ballistic missle defense goes online in Romina. Ww3 approaching

a reply to: Orionhunter88

Here you go the truth about Crimea from the man who was there...

euromaidanpress.com...

a reply to: BooCrackers

I wanna M60 E4 deal?

a reply to: Raven95

BULLYING over THE SOUTH CHINA SEAS?
What a failure of logic .

a reply to: Orionhunter88

So your comparing what the US did in Hawaii during a war with what Russia did during a non war time in Ukraine...not even close to the same.

The US didn't lie about their reason for Hawaii, but Putin lied got caught and had to admit his lie...can you show where the US did this to Hawaii?

Not so fast. Yes it's true Romania is a site chosen for the BMDS (just like Poland), but they are a few moons away from having a workable system.

War sirens heard in Romania today: www.youtube.com...

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

the US deposed the queen in Hawaii and annexed the islands.. the Hawaiians still think that was illegal.. I was not comparing to a time of war, but how we acquired those islands...

McKinley signed the Newlands Resolution which annexed Hawaii. On July 7, 1898 creating the Territory of Hawaii. On 22 February 1900 the Hawaiian Organic Act established a territorial government. In the opinion of annexation opponents, this was illegal for they believed the Queen was the only legitimate ruler; no one listened. McKinley appointed Dole as territorial governor. The territorial legislature convened for the first time on February 20, 1901. Hawaiians formed the Hawaiian Independent Party, under the leadership of Robert Wilcox, Hawaii's first congressional

Hawaii

This was a coup by businessmen.. It was not about a war at the time... But the comparison to how we got our islands and how how we demonize others is valid..

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Orionhunter88

Here you go the truth about Crimea from the man who was there...

euromaidanpress.com...

So there are two versions to the same story.. One says it is legitimate.. One says it is a farce.. To decide one is true over the other is an opinion... especially since most of the citizens of Crimea were russian anyway.. And they had a civil war in Ukraine, yet not on the island.. So it is debatable, but every media outlet has an agenda.. Maybe the situation is more complex than people think... The issue is why do we care if Russia gets Crimea? Because we wanted their base there.. And the people who did the exit polls were there too..

a reply to: Xcalibur254

The vote came after police stopped guarding presidential buildings, allowing protesters in, and parliament made new high-level appointments.

BBC

The vote to impeach was legitimate.. But there was a coup before they voted him out.. It is not a arrative.. He had to flee the country.. And they had a civil war after this.. So some people apparently did not think it was as legitimate as others..

a reply to: Orionhunter88

Indeed.

Just recently Hail Grand Demcartic Petro Poroshenko Poroshenko wants to test National Guard troops in eastern Ukraine's conflict zone.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

haha really? euromaidanpress? ????????


Isnt that same site that famously claimed that Russia wants to attack Israel.

a reply to: Orionhunter88

A coup d'état, literally "blow of state" or "hit of state"; plural: coups d'état, (pronounced like the singular form), also known simply as a coup (), putsch or an overthrow, is the illegal and overt seizure of a state by the military or other elites within the state apparatus.

There was no illegal seizure of the state by the military or anyone else. Yanukovych betrayed the will of the people and the resultant protests led to his removal because it was clear he had lost all authority. Like I said, if even Russia is willing to admit they're was no coup, how can anyone argue that is what took place?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Actually the sovereignty is under dispute.. They own the islands they built.. They can claim the waters immediately around them legally. The dispute is over the waters around the islands.. That 12 km buffer zone is what the US is worried about.. But until it is settled under an international court, it is still disputed.. And why do you think that the United States has a right to be half way around the world telling other people what to do? Maybe you believe that the US is the world police? Because if they are breaking the law.. Why hasn't anyone stopped them? instead of just demonizing their actions in the media...

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The Russian President believes that these launches can have a dual nature.. I am pretty sure he has intelligence briefs to let him know these things...

“The missiles are put into a capsule used for launches of sea-based Tomahawk missiles. Now they are placing their antimissiles there, which are capable of engaging a target at a distance of up to 500 kilometers [310 miles]. But technologies are developing, and we know around what year the Americans will get a new missile, which will have a range not of 500 kilometers, but 1,000, and then even more – and from that moment they will start threatening our nuclear capability,” Putin said at a meeting with the heads of international news agencies at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) on Friday.

RT

Those developing technologies would be the Echo Variant and others.. so even the russians know that this is a real possiblility.. The reason I know.. In a former life, these systems were a part of my duties... So i do have first hand knowledge of them... And unless you know what the containers look like, it would be easy to switch one for the other without anyone knowing... The few hours he speaks of is just unloading and reloading... With the ability to knock out soft targets.. That is why the Russians think that this is a bad thing... The US is known for preemptive strikes... And we are pointing our finger at Iran but pointing the missiles at Russia which is in the other direction..... And it could start a war if our Government and NATO are not careful... I care because i still have friends serving... And i also know that our Government lies to the people about a lot of things they actually do... It is legal for them to use propaganda on the US citizens.. So we should look at what they are actually doing, instead of what they tell us they are doing... What they are doing is always classified.. OPSEC.. They can not and will not never tell the people that anyway...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Orionhunter88

A coup d'état, literally "blow of state" or "hit of state"; plural: coups d'état, (pronounced like the singular form), also known simply as a coup (), putsch or an overthrow, is the illegal and overt seizure of a state by the military or other elites within the state apparatus.

There was no illegal seizure of the state by the military or anyone else. Yanukovych betrayed the will of the people and the resultant protests led to his removal because it was clear he had lost all authority. Like I said, if even Russia is willing to admit they're was no coup, how can anyone argue that is what took place?

Let's replay what happened. Yanukovych promised during his campaign that he would open economic ties with the EU. The Ukrainians liked that idea, because they were sick of poverty and corruption, and like it or not, the external requirements of the EU would be pressure to lower corruption and eventually improve the standard of living.

After meeting with Putin and his people, Yanukovych suddenly reneged on his promise and ended negotiations with EU and went exclusively with Russia. It was commonly believed, almost surely correctly, that Yanukovych was bribed---they found later that he stole tremendous money from a very poor country. Also Ukrainians knew that the Russian style was much more corrupt than the EU style and that their president was throwing away their chance for a good future. That's why they got upset and had protests.

He was impeached by a unanimous vote of the Parliament---at least whoever was left and hadn't fled to Russia---including many members of his own party. Nobody wants him, and he is stuck in Russia. When was the last time you heard from him? Right?

I also believe that some Putin style "little green men" were sniping at both sides in the government vs protestors conflict just to cause chaos.

Russia is jealous if Ukraine has trade agreements with EU. EU doesn't care if Ukraine has agreements with Russia, however.

It's Russia being an obnoxious bullying #head. Putin couldn't adapt to the real world, and managed to drive away the one country which historically and culturally should have the greatest ties and affinity with Russia. It would be like U.S. driving Canada into the arms of China by stealing Vancouver and funding and supplying a military rebellion in Alberta. Russia could have been their friend but Putin still thinks of things like the USSR: We dominate and They Obey. Who's the imperialist now?

Putin is frustrated off that his mode of empire building, by snarling bluster and occasional brute force, is not as successful as progressive balanced agreements based on mutual shared interests (EU and NATO) legitimized by democratic states. Sure, Putin can join up with a band of resentful dictatorships---Iran & Syria. What a bunch of losers.

USSR and KGB lost because their principles and emotional makeup were for losers. Putin thinks that they didn't KGB hard enough: building up Russia in a fragile way at the expense of others instead of a deep way while making friends and alliances.

a reply to: Orionhunter88

So there are two versions to the same story..

Nope just one...

a reply to: Raven95

haha really? euromaidanpress? ????????

No the source was from Russia...

Here for you the complete interview from Russian television..

a reply to: mbkennel

Here is a nice little read about Putin from someone who knows him when they were both in the KGB.

english.gordonua.com... nleash-a-nuclear-war-his-botox-will-melt-from-the-fear-78716.html

a reply to: Xcalibur254

You say it was not seized by the military or "anyone else"... When the definition says "or other elites within the state apparatus"... When you have to flee the country and the the MP's vote you out and select a new government, that is a coup... Those MP's would be the other "elites" in the definition... The media called it deposed.. But he was not a king..

More than 2,600 people have been killed in the continuing crisis in Ukraine that shows no sign of slowing more than eight months after it began. Pro-Russian separatists are fighting Government forces in eastern Ukraine, demanding autonomy from Kiev and in rebellion against the overthrow of President Viktor Yanukovych in February. He fled the country after months of violent protests in the capital against his refusal to sign a deal that would have made closer ties between Ukraine and the European Union.

Independent 2014

AndI have been looking for where Putin said it was not a "coup"
Well... The RT is state controlled news..
Putin on RT

or June 17th 2016 on Yahoo News which is not state controlled news.

TexPresident Vladimir Putin complained on Friday about what he called the West's support for 'a coup d'etat' in Ukraine in 2014 during which the country's pro-Moscow president fled.t

Yahoo

And our US President said that Yanukovych Fled after the US brokered a deal to transition power... And this was before the vote to impeach... That would be a "coup"...


so would you please share where you got the information that Russa said that it was not a coup in Ukraine?