OKAY. I'm going with Jill Stein if I can't go with Bernie

Oh no. I'm not even going to read your post, xuen.
I saw "she misses the point", and I skipped ahead.

What, are you all bored with your echo-chamber members railing on about how great Trump is?
And how much of a Nazi Dictator Bernie is?

jeez. Don't talk about me. Talk TO ME, or leave me alone.

See my avy?

Yeah - count me out on the rest of this thread. Y'all have hijacked a simple thread explaining who Jill Stein is, and crucified the messenger yet again.

I just stopped in for a loan.

All of you socialists on this site need to pool your money together and loan me 100k.

I want a new boat now.

You know it's fair.

I will let you all drive it, I promise!

All Socialism models require massive big government bureaucratic control that only authoritarian mass-enforcement policies can provide.

The money disappears in the middle.

If you think Mr. Sanders is the best candidate, why not write him in and encourage others to do the same? I wrote in Ron Paul in the last two elections. I'd do it this time, but I feel his age is just too much of a factor.

I don't think it's a wasted vote to vote for the candidate you believe in. If we could get more people to do that every election, we could eventually break this R - D stranglehold. It may be too late for us and our children, but maybe our grandchildren could see through the fear based politics and begin to elect people who care about the US and the American people more than they care about power and stuffing their offshore bank accounts.

"That's how the world gets better. One person at a time." - MacGyver

a reply to: xuenchen

They paid it back without interest.

Seems fair.

Lets do the same for student loans.

Simple solution, right?

Buzzy, Thanks!

Dr Jill Stein or.......Hilley?


It is time for a real change!

#NeverHillary!

Green party, if I can't vote for Sen Sanders!

I'm writing in Bernie. I can't look at myself in the mirror if I vote for Hillary.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

No need to Ad-Hom me directly.

I did not do that to you.

We need to examine the Jill Stein concepts.

There may be some valid points on the Libertarian side.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I don't believe one political ideology is the best solution for all cases.

Hence I'm not opposed to socialism, especially when it comes to healthcare or things where money and profit shouldn't be in direct conflict with the individuals health.

Having said that. DBCowboy is correct because of timing.

Socialism is not freedom. More government is not freedom.

Socialism would be the worst thing to push for this country right now.

Not because socialism is bad or couldn't work, but because we have to many corrupted officials and lobbyist with too much money and resources to make sure it gets fully bastarised.

Our gov't is simply too corrupted and riddled with conflict of interest to even attempt at increasing gov't power or implement socialist ideals.

The best thing for the US right now is to take away power from the corrupted US congress . We need to shrink gov't to take away some of their power.

Then fix the corruption by imposing congregational term limits, killing super pacs, private campaign funding, close revolving doors between gov't and private sector, and reform lobbying practices. You know, the stuff that is never brought up or heavily focused on presidential debates or by the MSM .

Then we can look at implementing socialism in the right areas.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Jill apparently still demands the Student Loans get paid back, not somehow extinguished.

Not a very good solution compared to some other solutions she may be presenting.

Does she have a real plan for Student Loans? Perhaps on a website or other article somewhere.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Thanks, AlaskanDad. I'd hoped you'd see this thread -
now, I'm afraid I have to hand you the reins....this horse is bucking me like I'm a burr under the saddle.

Good luck, I'll stay tuned, but consider it yours - I was just introducing you like a grateful MC might do at a conference, and now I hand the mic to you.....

(this is your audience:



)
Good luck.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: xuenchen

They paid it back without interest.

Seems fair.

Lets do the same for student loans.

Simple solution, right?

I have never seen anything that proves "no interest".

Many of those loans were overnight at one-day interest rates I believe.

The Student Loans are long term and basically are standard interest.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

And, FWIW, I come by it honest. My parents weren't elitist snobs or "Moral Majority" types - I grew up in the 60s and 70s - and by 1982 had received a bachelor's degree from a Liberal Public University - in Spanish language/literature/culture. Then I got married, and after having kids I went back *gasp* to that same "Liberal University" (for an advanced education for which I still owe money and can not now pay, due to idiotic capitalist crap and the 2008 disaster). They put my name and a title on that piece of paper - I'm not abdicating yet.

Sounds to me like that 'liberal university' scrambled your brain and your wallet.

Sorry for your loss...

a reply to: xuenchen

Standard interest only "works" in a standard economy. As the wages for American workers are largely flat in 30 years, "standard interest" is not sustainable, and must be revised.

Investors can get real jobs, just like everyone else.

The one thing that scares me about the field, is this...

-Hildabeast has been selected as the ememy, and socialism is being offered as the savior.

Trump, who knows. He doesn't fit the mold. He does seem like an attention whore though. This is the opposite of Clinton and Bernies lifetime memberships in the club. He may actually listen to the people.

Lets be scared into socialism and create massive government wealth.

What is broke minus broke?

That is the amount of money the average person will have, if at this point we only grow gov and taxes.
These are the loser policies that put us in the economy we are now facing.

-out of control taxation w/o representation.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

buzzy don't bail, and no of course not everyone will agree socialism is the answer as some kind of great revolutionary overhaul especially in this day and age, of course people don't want the tyranny of the SJW's to have government power can you imagine that- with the amount of hate and discrimination, and out right violent suppression of free speech this group who identifies as progressives engages in? I digress, I think ultimately we are heading to be more socialized that could be a good or a bad thing, but that does appear to be the direction, and perhaps one day a global peaceful society.

That day is not today and many things have to be ironed out before such a day exists. So, while im not against some socialized constructs and progressing, I am absolutely against a revolutionary overhaul in this climate; that would be destructive and have far reaching consequences. I like that you are a visionary, I think your heart is in the right place, don't leave the thread just because people disagree, stay, and celebrate the disagreement that's our freedoms at work, and thank you for introducing us to this candidate I will check her out.

originally posted by: Kali74
I'm writing in Bernie. I can't look at myself in the mirror if I vote for Hillary.

Unless ofcourse he endorses Hillary, since she is the poster child for everything he is supposedly fighting against.

That would be a real disappointment, but likely to happen.

a reply to: interupt42

The problem is, he said he would when he entered the race as a Democrat and he has a hard time backing down from his word.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: xuenchen

Standard interest only "works" in a standard economy. As the wages for American workers are largely flat in 30 years, "standard interest" is not sustainable, and must be revised.

Investors can get real jobs, just like everyone else.

I understand all that.

But what about the "no interest" loans?

Did those actually exist?

Perhaps some candidate needs to explore the possibility of the colleges re-paying part of the student loans?

You know, like a rebate because the victims may have been over charged to begin with.

A true "Socialist" would question the high salaries of the college employees?

Back to basics.

Socialism and Capitalism are economic models not governance models... either can be authoritarian OR libertarian. What we have right now is an authoritarian government with a capitalist economy that's quite literally bordering corporatism or fascism light if you prefer. The private hands have bought the government.

In my opinion Socialism, as in worker ownership rather than private of the means of production, leads to increased liberty whereas Capitalism leads to more authority. Literally the opposite of what right wingers are brainwashed into believing.