Islamic Prophecy- Final Signs of Qiyaamah

Originally posted by worldwatcher

no one's interested? I find that hard to believe

well I find it interesting that Syria plays a large part in the Islamic doomsday prophecy, especially with the current politics being played out in the middle east.


Wow! That sounds like War of the Worlds....O_O..beast rising out of the ground? Eee..... extremely interesting stuff! Ya!

[edit on 3-3-2006 by whitelightwolf]

So the Euphrates is going to dry up in Islamic prophecy? It will dry up for the final battle, but I doubt there will be any gold in it hehehe XT, I assure you that a demon/Djinn can pose as an angel (they are angels, just not ones in good standing), it happens all the time (Light at the end of the tunnel, dead speaking through mediums, false miracles to deceive people, apparitions, UFOs and so forth). We have rules in the Bible to test a spirit to see if they are good in their intentions, don't trust a spirit without testing it first, that's very dangerous.

Originally posted by Nakash
So the Euphrates is going to dry up in Islamic prophecy? It will dry up for the final battle, but I doubt there will be any gold in it hehehe

XT, I assure you that a demon/Djinn can pose as an angel (they are angels, just not ones in good standing), it happens all the time (Light at the end of the tunnel, dead speaking through mediums, false miracles to deceive people, apparitions, UFOs and so forth). We have rules in the Bible to test a spirit to see if they are good in their intentions, don't trust a spirit without testing it first, that's very dangerous.

Nakash any personal experiance? or are you just relaying information :-)

[edit on 3-3-2006 by XTasawwufX]

I actually do. Im half Brazilian as many people here know. In South America while at my granny's house we used to have a medium come and do her thing (to "bless" the house and so forth). Just paganism crap which gave us quite a bit of bad luck (when my granny died I had enough and got rid of all the books and things involved in this, and didn't let this woman back in ever again). So one of the many things we did was have her "call" a spirit with some seashells (Why seashells are used in this? I don't know), she would cast the shells within a small circle (made of an ebony necklace), and the shells would "say" something. We gave the spirit even a nickname ("mary") and it would answer everything and anything we wanted (the medium would just read the shells and tell us what it said). Everything. It predicted even a car acident we would have to the month and week and day, it predicted what carreers I would excel in, just about anything and everything. Yet there were a few questions which it always gave "dodgy" sort of answers- questions on the afterlife, questions on who it was related to (it claimed to be a dead person), it's real name, and some other things. Well, I soon figured out why so much bad luck struck our family (we had all sorts of tragedies, and when my Granny died, I like I said, got rid of ALL these things, this medium also had an enormous amount of bad luck, her two sons died an early death, she was poor, and had a chronic disease)- it was because this was no dead person, it was just an evil spirit. That was why it didn't answer certain questions, why it always had some sort of "bad air" to it, and why where this thing was involved there was only tragedy. So don't make the same mistakes, I have left any interest in this biz for a long time (I was an agnostic at best when all of this was happening, I was a child), but this was an important experience. Ive also had a few others, but that's my personal favourite (also, by the way, the house where all this happened has strange things going on from time to time according to the new owner, we saw some weird stuff as well).

These are simply jinn fooling with humans. They tell 50/50 story all the time. I know people who have them under command .. can bring things from half way across the world in minutes. Jinn can take over people depending on if theyhave weak faith or not. They have people who can conjure up the jinn .. by releasing them from their rings. Jinn like humans follow religeon.. they are not dead people..i know some that attend university as human. They are like us .. bad..good..christian..muslim etc. Naturally they like to play games.. its like in their genes. These spirits can be repelled easily. some however I very strong but these days you don't find them around anymore. They are more into living isolated in trees etc. Many live in bathrooms..trees etc. As muslims.. they believe shaytan (the devil) isn't made from light like Angels but of fire and smoke. So when you feel the presence .. it is quite diffrent. Unfornately you have had experiances with common jinn..and not angels.


*BTW my parents also hail from South America Also..

[edit on 5-3-2006 by XTasawwufX]

No no, I agree that Demons/Djinn are obviously different than angels in a fundamental way, but they are in fact angels in appearance (same substance, same powers, in many cases quite powerful ones). Satan is an angel of light, THAT is the danger- you can't weigh a demon versus a good spirit unless you have precise rules for it. One of them is that the dead never come back in any way, as we were discussing. Another is that deception of the light at the end of the tunnel (the tunnel is often painful and dark- this symbolizes the distancing away from God, the travel away from the truth, the light is in fact Satan- why often people who have these experiences feel something "odd" about the light even though it is all encompassing and warm. It's a deception, a horrid one) Another is that angels are enforcers not prophets- why I believe "Gabriel" which appeared to Muhammed was in fact Satan. I'm sure you know that Muhammed had many symptoms of possesion (deppresion, suicidal thoughts, interest in the occult, and so forth. His nannies even abandoned him when they saw demons clad in white robes walking with him according to the Hadiths). Your view of Demons/Djinns reminds me of the trickster spirits of the Northmen, I espouse the view that these are spirits with certain tasks and purposes on Earth but which pose significant danger if the right precautions aren't taken. May I also reccomend you NOT use any charms and wards since those in fact are a source of attraction and focus for these beings (another deception they use on human beings).

Found this website. It's by a muslim scientist/writer special on this kind of stuff

[edit on 5-3-2006 by paf thunder]

Dear Nakash

1- Are YOU right? Why are you so sure? Would you still be a christian if you had been born in Israel?
2- About the scientific errors in the Bible, contact me in Yahoo! Network with the same ID and I'll send you a file about some of the mistakes in the Bible, provided you do not lose your faith in it.
3- Well, at least the Torah was not collected by other people rather than the one who preached it. It was given directly to Moses in the Mount Sinai.
And as a Jew, I can easily find the many similarities between the two. So it IS a botched up parody of the Torah, I should say.
3-1- Anyone thinking different from you is wrong?
3-2- The Bible was not written by Jesus, mind you, it was later collected by his disciples. Your reasons against you!
4- You don't even know Mohammed. Like you don't even know Moses. I'd highly recommend you read some historians' books or at least study the Torah and the Koran more deeply.
5- Muslims paid taxes through Khoms and Zakat. Non-muslims were not supposed to pay those. So they paid Jezya.
5-1- I have studied the whole history of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed in details. So your story seems to be that of Alexander and not Mohammed. Or maybe you're viewing his story through an anti-Islam person. Yours is like saying Gandhi was an asshole who killed the hindi people and looted India!
6- Sunni muslim believe in Caliphs. Shiite muslims have never liked them. Those caliphs killed the successors of Mohammed, including Hussain. So again there's a difference here.
7- That Islam introduced slavery to Europe is pure nonsense. Where have you obtained those information? If you like, pm me in Yahoo and I'll send you the book I told you before. See our view of slavery in the Bible.
8- It was in the news that some Jews had put the Naseria Church in ISrael on fire. Does it mean the Jews hate us Christians? In your view, the answer would be definitely yes.
9- [email protected] if you like the book about the Bible, and if you promise not to lose your Faith in it.
10- The difference between the sunni and the shiite muslim is obvious in slavery. Slavery was banned, but again since there were many oppositions
in those days since it was so common, Islam introduced an alternative to make life easier for them.
11- Muhammed had a miracle I read once in a book. He cut the Moon in two pieces. Definitely not literraly, but it seemed to people viewing the Moon
as if it was cut in half. Not sure where I read it, anyway. (called SHAGH-AL-GHAMAR, meaning slicing the Moon)
12- Jinns are not Demons. I don't know how you got THIS one, but jinns in Islam doctrine are creatures made of fire. They have muslims, christians , jews, and atheists among them and they live and die just like us.

What I find extremely interesting about all of this, and imo, this thread has gone way off topic, is the heavy representation of the moon in and its influence on Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Even the Ancient Greeks worshipped the moon goddess Athena, and named their capital Athens. Our earliest stories of Greek history, from Homer, tell of the sack of Troy over Helen, and the desecration of the Trojan sun god. A metaphor for the ascendancy of the moon god/goddess, perhaps?

The Judaic calender is basically a moon calender, Resurrection Sunday is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the days and nights are equal, and there is a big argument about whether Allah was originally the Arabic pagan god of the moon. Ramadan begins and ends with the crescent moon. All three religions rely on the moon to figure the timing of their most important holy days.

What brings light into the darkness of our night? The moon. But only by reflection. The moon creates no light of its own. Could Lucifer be a moon god as well? A usurper of the light?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a sun worshipper. The sun took down my buddy Icarus the first time around, and now he's rising from the sea to once again fly into the heavens, hopefully a little wiser for the wear and tear this time around. Get it? I never believed he died when he fell into the sea to begin with. Myths don't always tell the whole story, you know.

I believe in God, the Father of the Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth. Whatever His name turns out to be.

Could all of this end times talk and prophecy have a heavy relation to something that happens to the moon? For instance, a large asteroid striking the moon and altering its orbit so it either came at, or was lost to earth would have cataclysmic results for life here on earth, wouldn't you say? I've even read theories of the earth's formation that involve a massive asteroid strike on the developing earth with the pieces shearing off into near orbit eventually coalescing into the moon. As it now sits, the moon is far more likely to take a massive asteroid strike than the earth is.

Say there is a massive asteroid strike on the moon, and it leaves earth orbit, or gets busted up (The other alternative, having it strike earth more or less intact, is too cataclysmic for me to try and discuss. I don't see how any life on earth could survive that.). What would be the outcome of that? A huge asteroid storm, for sure. Major upheaval of the earth's crust in the form of huge earthquakes from the shifting of gravitational loads caused by the movement/breaking up of the moon. The sun might even rise in the west the next day, who knows?

What I'm trying to get at is we have much greater concerns than this game of one-ups-manship that seems to be being played out in this thread. We are all in this together, believe it or not, like it or not, and the sooner we start coming up with real solutions to the real threats we face, rather than all this petty bickering that has the potential to develop into global conflict, the more prepared and better off we'll be, and the greater chance we'll have of escaping whatever doomsday scenario does present itself, and ensuring the continuity of the human race. That's what life is really all about, isn't it?

Allah - the Moon God

Moon-God Myth & Other Deceptive Attacks On Islam

Scorp:

1) I AM RIGHT. Here's why (and I said it in my previous response)- I have the Torah just like you do, I don't depend upon commentary and can form a self-consistent image of who Moses was, and it is is consistent with my beliefs.

2)Again, this is a useless argument. Most of these so called errors Ive seen people espousing on the bible are figures of speech characteristic of the era, or taken out of context. Example:

I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)

this is claimed to be an example of the Bible saying the Earth is flat. The verse is completely out of context (Daniel is having a dream where space/time is subject to the imagination, it is a metaphor for Nebuchadnezzer 's fall, and has nothing to do with physics)

3) HOW DO YOU KNOW? Do you think Moses wrote the Pentateuch when the events narrated include his death? That mean's nothing by the way- God can preserve his teachings whatever the enviroment or author, don't misunderestimate God.

4) Again, I base my beliefs on facts derived from Muslim scriptures and Historians, not my opinions. Muhammed had a cruel life. Deal with it. That doesn't mean his followers are cruel people, they are simply deceived or having philosophical problems with theological alternatives.

5) Well Scorp, Muhammed pillaged nation after nation- Persia, Arabia, Palestine, and so forth. Gandhi on the other hand was a proponent of non-violent peaceful resolutions to conflicts. Comparing Gandhi to Muhammed is like saying Judas Iscariot and Jesus Christ are in the same league. I'm not being mean- it's history. Muhammed didn't spread his faith through peace (ie: the martyrdom of Christians in Rome, or of Jews in Babylon). He did it by the sword. Persia would still have Zoroastrians if Muhammed hadn't rattled the Sabre, or Palestine would still have Christians or Jews. Blame me for telling the truth.

6) Well, Shiites constitute 20% of the Islamic world, so 80% of Muslims (taking that most Muslims believe the theology of Muhammed to the last letter) believe that they should install a Caliph by force upon the world and rule us like a bunch of Dhimmis. Not even, Shiites have simply accounted for the vanishing of their favourite Caliph by saying he will one day return and come do them a favour:



Mahdi: Bad Bad Sunnis!

Sunnis: OK Boss, can we still collect the Jizya from the infidels?

Shiites: Wait, we are the chosen! we are going to loot the West first you Sunni dogs! Zarqawi, on your seat Kafir pig, we want our leader to make the decision.

Mahdi: As the great and solemn Fuehrer...*ahem*.. Caliph, I demand we now kick those Jews out of Palestine as our first course of action. When they hide behind Myrtle trees ( wait....Myrtle trees in Tel Aviv?) you can hold the infidel's wives as slaves (if your a Sunni, we Shiites are good Muslims and only take them as slaves if they don't wear head dress). Now onwards to Israel, those Dhimwits self-haters did a great job preparing the way for holocaust 2.









well....of course not, but you get the picture.

7) Islam did introduce Black slavery into Europe. Slavery was always present throughout the ages, but the practice of raiding the Ivory coast for Black people as slaves was adopted by European Sailors who saw their Muslim counterparts doing it. Of course the West took longer to banish slavery and slavery was already present in Europe ages ago, but the practice of Black slavery was actually adopted from Islam. Race based slavery, and the pinpointing of blacks as subjects was not a European concept, even in Rome slaves had some rights and were in many ways much more similar than different from their Masters in terms of race and so forth. This was an Islamic concept. Again, deal with it.

8) ??? This is a discussion of ideology. I am opposed to Islamic principles, as I would be to the principles espoused by those arsonists.

11) An eclipse is not a miracle. Columbus knew beforehand that an eclipse would occur and robbed a few natives of some loot and gold during one of his many trips. Is he a prophet? Corroborating evidence for this miracle? Should I accept it along with the talking camel, the winged donkey, and the miraculous mutating Jews who turned into rats?

12) Just show's Muhammed's debt to Zoroastrian fire worship type cults. Allah is even called Ahriman in several Qu'ranic Surahs (!)

[edit on 5-3-2006 by Nakash]

[edit on 6-3-2006 by Nakash]

Al Rahman .. LoL Nakash you have alot to look forward to!

What? Anybody with a day in a sociology or anthropology class can clearly see that as a reference to the Persian fire worship deity Muhammed seemed to hate so much. Let's check a few quotes:

Qur’an 55:31 “Soon We [Ar-Rahman] will dispose of you by applying Our two armies. How many favors of your Lord will you both deny?” Qur’an 55:35 “There will be let loose on you white-hot flames of fire and smoke that chokes so that you will not be able to defend yourselves. How many favors of your Lord will you both deny?”

[Ar-Rahman makes jinn out of the same material he will use to torture men. He intends to send his demons after us, and he considers torture a favor.]

Qur’an 21:26 “And yet they say: ‘Ar-Rahman has begotten a son.’ Too exalted his He.” [Most translations, trying to hide their god’s duplicity, mistranslate the passage:] “(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten offspring.”

[Muslims have to deceive us to keep their god together.]

[edit on 6-3-2006 by Nakash]

In my last apartment, I had something that would turn off the power to my computer and my microwave and my over head light. It would flash them on and off and sometimes just leave them off. It would stop for a while if I said please stop, but a few weeks later it would do it again.

I thought it was a breaker the first time it happened, but nothing was tripped, there was absolutely nothing to explain it I finally left last month and have felt like something has been lifted from my shoulders.

Wondering

This might be of some interest to those who would like to know how the LAST WAR would look like?

I picked this one up from a Sunni site. It basically says that a large army from Khuarasan region in Iran will march towards Jerusalem and nothing shall stop them. I don't know if this fits into this story but current iranian supreme leader is from Khurasan.

THE STORY OF IMAM MAHDI
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An army will come from the East towards Arabia. The East here refers to Khurasan, i.e. northeastern Iran, which includes the borders of the Soviet Union and Afghanistan. They will pave the way for the establishment of Imam Mahdi's kingdom. This army will carry black banners. Nothing shall stop their onward march, and eventually they will plant their flag on the soils of Jerusalem.

This army will seek the leadership of Arabia. The current leader will refuse to hand over the Khilafat.

A tremendously fierce battle will ensue, the likes of which Muslims had never yet experienced. The army from Khurasan will be victorious and will eventually be granted the leadership.

www.jamiat.org.za...

And here is another story, I belive is the shiite version of the Last Holy War. According to this story, the leader of the Khurasan army is named Mansour. Mansour means Victorious, I think.
He is supposed to kill many Kafir (infidels) on his way towards Imam Mahdi.

The major signs of qiyâmah

Upon the appearance of Imam Mahdi, the major signs of qiyâmah commence. Once the incident of his bay'ah becomes known to everyone, the Muslim armies that were based in Madinah will go to Makkah. All the pious people of Syria, Iraq and Yemen will go to his service. Many other Arab armies will rally around him. Once this becomes known to all the Muslims, a person from Khurâsân will come with a large army in order to assist Imam Mahdi. The name of the person who will be the leader of the front section of this army will be Mansûr. On his way towards Imam Mahdi, he will kill many kuffâr. The person whom we had mentioned previously that he will be from the progeny of Abû Sufyân and that he will be an enemy of the sayyids - he will send an army to fight Imam Mahdi since Imam Mahdi will also be a sayyid. Once this army reaches a desert on the outskirts of Madinah, it will rest at a mountain. Once this army reaches this mountain, all the troops will sink into the ground. Only two persons will survive. One of them will go and inform Imam Mahdi of what transpired while the other will go and inform the Sufyânî (the person from the progeny of Abû Sufyân). The Christians from all around will gather their troops and prepare to fight the Muslims. This army will have 80 flags and there will be 12 000 soldiers under each flag, thus totalling 960 000.

Read the rest at the bottom of the page at this link
www.adishakti.org...

RESPECT

[edit on 6-3-2006 by proprog]

There will probably be a nuclear exchange of some sort as well (my interpretation of the "calling fire down" passage of Revelations which scares everybody into thinking they can't make war with Antichrist). Wondering, that's a strange experience, I'd suggest you still be vigilant though, from all Ive read and reasoned with, if there was a spirit in your house, he could be right now still with you since nothing really binds them to that place (rather to the behaviours of those who live within the house). My opinion.

[edit on 6-3-2006 by Nakash]

Nakash the Quran al Kareem is written in Arabic. To understand it you should learn arabic not simply a translation. I would also urge you to even look at Arabic Bibles .. for God and Lord they use Allah and Rabb. Interesting to know that you only read your scriptures in whatever language you might know and not the original. Truth is truth.. and falsehood is falsehood.. I urge you to learn the language of the Bible and then maybe comment when you have a little more knowledge on the subject.

I have a good understanding of Hebrew, and I know quite well that the Arabic biz is a dirty trick to fool non-muslims and muslims who memorize their text in a language foreign to them. I have read Quran translations from several languages, and they ALL say the same things. Won't work with me


[edit on 6-3-2006 by Nakash]

Learn arabic yourself.. or pick up an authentic book of tafsir not just a translation LOL..

God willing, one day I will learn that fine language, but until then I can clearly see that I'm not missing anything important in the Quran by reading it in other languages other than Arabic. If even the Torah can be translated into Greek, why not the Quran into another language?

Originally posted by paperclip


While christians believe that Jesus IS God (is not really, but somehow it is as a part of trinity),

Actually, Christians belive that Jesus is the SON of God and the Trinity you mentioned is : God the Father, The Son(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost.