Human anatomy, ribs, have change in this reality, mandela effect

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: hidingthistime
a reply to: TerryDon79

Forum Gangs And Topic Control: You will not engage in an organized collaboration with other members to disrupt thread topics or interrupt the flow of normal collaborative discussion. You will not attempt to control or otherwise shutdown valid conversation on a topic through the use of prolific posting of an unpopular viewpoint or other single-purpose standpoint. Doing so will result in removal of your Post(s) and immediate termination of your account.

Again, not what I have done.

Your point?

Yes you HAVE 500 links and repeat after repeat insulting myself and others with your "BAD MEMORY" preaching is not only an insulting personal attack after that much FLOODING, but also it is absoloutly trying to take over the thread and make it all about you and your BAD MEMORY theory, shoving it down everyones throat litterally every time you post at this point.... you have accused me of lying, and just keep harrassing me over and over with the same BAD MEMORY post... it has nearly shut down discussion completely, and I DO NOT feel coomfortable posting freely in my own thread any longer as you ARE obsessed and cant let it go! people have to weed though post after post of your garbage to get to anything that has to do with the original topic, now go away please, or I will report to a mod, since you asked me to!

originally posted by: hidingthistime

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: hidingthistime
a reply to: TerryDon79

Forum Gangs And Topic Control: You will not engage in an organized collaboration with other members to disrupt thread topics or interrupt the flow of normal collaborative discussion. You will not attempt to control or otherwise shutdown valid conversation on a topic through the use of prolific posting of an unpopular viewpoint or other single-purpose standpoint. Doing so will result in removal of your Post(s) and immediate termination of your account.

Again, not what I have done.

Your point?

Yes you HAVE 500 links

That's a bit hyperbolic, don't you think?

and repeat after repeat insulting myself and others with your "BAD MEMORY" preaching is not only an insulting personal attack after that much FLOODING,

So the scientific explanation and links are now insulting and flooding?

but also it is absoloutly trying to take over the thread and make it all about you and your BAD MEMORY theory,

I've not been posting theories. I've been posting studies and talks.

shoving it down everyones throat litterally every time you post at this point....

Says the person that has made 3 threads about the same thing.

you have accused me of lying,

I didn't accuse. I proved.

and just keep harrassing me over and over with the same BAD MEMORY post...

Not harassing. Offering a scientific explanation.

it has nearly shut down discussion completely,

So the scientific explanation has almost shut down the thread? Could that be that the scientific explanation is the only one with evidence?

and I DO NOT feel coomfortable posting freely in my own thread any longer as you ARE obsessed and cant let it go!

Not obsessed. Offering an alternate explanation.

peolle have to weed though post after post of your garbage to get to abthing that has to do with the original topic,

The original topic is about memory. Therefore, the faulty memory explanation is on topic.

now go away please, or I will report to a mod, since you asked me to!

I have not once asked you to report posts to a mod. I have said that if I am off topic, insulting or harassing them report my posts to a mod.

ATS is an open forum and unless I am banned or have posting privileges temporarily removed, I can continue to post anywhere I see fit. Just like yourself.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Testimonials aren't proof/evidence.

I didn't say proof, did I. I said evidence. I thought we agreed that it can't proven either way due to the nature of the supposed phenomenon.

. All it proves is people have the same memory errors.

No, it doesn't prove or disprove anything, you just admitted this yourself......

Again, if the ME is a real thing then there is no way of proving anything either way.

Since this should be clear to you now you can stop trolling this thread. I know you are scoring easy debunker points here that you need in order to feel significant, but give it up Snitchy, this can't be debunked due to its very nature.

a reply to: hellobruce

Yes, evidence that people have faulty memories, or simply follow memes.

Or that the ME is real. Like I said there is no way of proving or disproving anything here so you might aswell let it go and let people discuss their experiences.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
Or that the ME is real. Like I said there is no way of proving or disproving anything here so you might aswell let it go and let people discuss their experiences.

The OP can be proven or disproven, actually, as soon as the OP posts pics of her xrays/MRI scans showing her anatomy. If the tests show her anatomy is the same as everybody else's, then we can prove this is a cognitive problem. If the tests show she indeed has no sternum/heart on the left etc, then she will prove ME is a real thing indeed. If the OP doesn't post any pics, then you can't blame people reaching the conclusion she lied and made it all up.

In the case of 'different anatomy', we have a simple solution to either prove it or disprove it, we just have to wait for the OP to do those tests. She did say a couple of weeks, so not long to wait.

While I understand that all this could be explained away by saying people are remembering things wrong, it just doesn't sit well with me due to personal experience and other's reactions.

I posed a question to the sceptics in another thread and I was quite surprised that it was ignored by all.
I'd like to pose it again here if I may. Not to try to prove anyone right or wrong or anything like that. Just to get some imput on something I find highly strange...

Here's a question for you:
The other week I mentioned the Mandela Effect when I had some friends round for drinks. One of our friend's new boyfriend was there, first time meeting. He asked what the Mandela Effect was. So I showed him by asking him what the closest landmass to Australia is. He said he didn't know cos it's so far away from everything else. I showed him a picture and he got really confused how close it was to other islands.
I then showed him the Americas and asked him if that looked right to him. He said no it didn't at all, and he started looking ill.
The I showed him Italy and before I even asked him about it he freaked out "WHY IS #ING SICILY #ING TOUCHING! WTF!? WTF!?"
It really messed him up.


Now, I ask you. Why did he react like that?

Also note, I have had similar reactions since, from everyone I've asked about this. Work mates, family members. Everyone completely sober with less suggestion from me, ie not saying what is out of place, letting them tell me.
Every time it's the same.

a reply to: Agartha

The OP can be proven or disproven, actually, as soon as the OP posts pics of her xrays/MRI scans showing her anatomy. If the tests show her anatomy is the same as everybody else's, then we can prove this is a cognitive problem. If the tests show she indeed has no sternum/heart on the left etc, then she will prove ME is a real thing indeed. If the OP doesn't post any pics, then you can't blame people reaching the conclusion she lied and made it all up.

No, you are refering to claims that were made later, which seem to contradict the supposed logic behind the ME.

I am just saying that you can't prove that the ME is caused by mass faulty memory, in every case. If it is real then you wouldn't know any better if I jumped to your universe, and I wouldn't be able to prove that I came from another one and that my memory is real.

You can say that it is due too bad memory but that's exactly what I would expect someone who's universe I jumped into to say to me.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: TerryDon79

Testimonials aren't proof/evidence.

I didn't say proof, did I. I said evidence. I thought we agreed that it can't proven either way due to the nature of the supposed phenomenon.

. All it proves is people have the same memory errors.

No, it doesn't prove or disprove anything, you just admitted this yourself......

I never said it can't be proven. I said there is no proof/evidence and hasn't been proven.

Again, if the ME is a real thing then there is no way of proving anything either way.

Are you sure about that?

Since this should be clear to you now you can stop trolling this thread. I know you are scoring easy debunker points here that you need in order to feel significant, but give it up Snitchy, this can't be debunked due to its very nature.

I'm not trolling. If I was, the mods would delete my posts.

There is plenty of evidence to prove ME is nothing more than faulty memory.
Everything posing as ME can, and has, been explained.

Occam's razor people. Faulty memory.

OP, Xrays of your skeleton is what is needed along with a medical exam explaining the placement of your organs is different.

Without those as proof, your entire thread is a farce.

Things that come to mind:

You may be suffering from delusions of grandeur.

You may be suffering from delusional disorder.

You may be suffering from a dissociative disorder.

You may be suffering from Schizophrenia.

You believe that something has changed. You believe it so much that you will not listen to any kind of reason otherwise that proves you are 100% wrong in your thoughts and memories.

What seems more plausible, that you have 'jumped' time lines and are actually made differently that everyone else or that your memory of what is real is wrong?

Xray's of your skeleton and a medical examination that 100% says you are different on a scale that makes you something the different that the other human around you will prove you are right.

Until then, your thread is a hoax.

a reply to: TerryDon79

I never said it can't be proven. I said there is no proof/evidence and hasn't been proven.

No you said this,

There's no way of testing the validity of what they're saying, if it's true.

It is exactly what you said.

Are you sure about that?

Yes, but if you think you can prove or disprove it, please do.

There is plenty of evidence to prove ME is nothing more than faulty memory. Everything posing as ME can, and has, been explained.

Athough some examples are probably due to common misspelings and memory errors there is no specific evidence whatsoever that supports the theory that the whole phenomenon is due to mass memory error, it only is the most convenient argument to think of.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

Most convenient answer opposed to being from a different timeline?

The different timeline seems like the most convenient to me. It means not admitting to having a fallible memory. It means not admitting to making mistakes.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Have you experienced any noteworthy anamolies yourself?

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: TerryDon79

Have you experienced any noteworthy anamolies yourself?

You mean "have I remembered things wrong?"

Yes, I have.

"Luke, I am your father"

"Mirror, mirror on the wall"

I thought the heart was on the left, but it turns out it's just slightly left of center (which is technically left)

There's quite a few others that I remember differently, but that's just my memory doing what it does.

a reply to: Ruiner1978

The I showed him Italy and before I even asked him about it he freaked out "WHY IS #ING SICILY #ING TOUCHING! WTF!? WTF!?" It really messed him up.
Now, I ask you. Why did he react like that?

As and Italian I can assure Sicily has always been where it is. Sicily does NOT touch Italy, you have to take a ferry from Messina to Reggio Calabria (mainland). That is an ancient crossing, mentioned by many, for example Cicero (BC).
Why did he react like that? I have no idea, as Sicily has never touched and it doesn't touch mainland Italy now.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
No, you are refering to claims that were made later, which seem to contradict the supposed logic behind the ME.

I have the feeling you are a laywer! lol

I'll rephrase: xrays and scans can prove or disprove the OP's claims that she does not have a sternum, that her ribs are attached at the back only and that her heart is on the left.

I am not talking about ME in general, as I have already given my opinion on this in other threads. This is specifically about the anatomy side of ME.

If you have jumped universes and claimed the anatomy in your universe is different, then your anatomy must be like everybody else's in your universe. Hence an xray/MRI scans can prove or disprove your claim as your anatomy wouldn't have changed.... unless now you propose that jumping universe changes your evolutionary past and your whole anatomy.

originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: Ruiner1978

The I showed him Italy and before I even asked him about it he freaked out "WHY IS #ING SICILY #ING TOUCHING! WTF!? WTF!?" It really messed him up.
Now, I ask you. Why did he react like that?

As and Italian I can assure Sicily has always been where it is. Sicily does NOT touch Italy, you have to take a ferry from Messina to Reggio Calabria (mainland). That is an ancient crossing, mentioned by many, for example Cicero (BC).
Why did he react like that? I have no idea, as Sicily has never touched and it doesn't touch mainland Italy now.

Yes, you are right. But the point is many are taken aback by how close it is as they think there should be a much larger expanse of water separating the land.
This is what he meant by "touching". From the zoom it looked like it may as well have been one piece of land. Not what was remembered, even from a further out zoom.

originally posted by: Ruiner1978
Yes, you are right. But the point is many are taken aback by how close it is as they think there should be a much larger expanse of water separating the land.
This is what he meant by "touching". From the zoom it looked like it may as well have been one piece of land. Not what was remembered, even from a further out zoom.

Don't you think this is a case of bad geographical memory?
After all the Messina Strait has been mentioned for thousands of years, it's nothing new.

I just messaged a few friends/family members who still live in Italy, and they can't believe that some people think Sicily was further away.

I'm still wondering, has anyone found a "Mandela Effect" that can't be explained by errors in memory, perception and/or cognition?

Any physical evidence (aside from the aforementioned errors being carried over to the internet) of "Mandela Effect(s)"?

I keep asking.

a reply to: Agartha

But I clearly was refering to the ME in general like I said, those comments by the OP have nothing to do with what I said, and most other people talking about changed anatomy are not claiming their body is different to the the rest of the world's, just that they remember it being different.

I have the feeling you are a laywer! lol

Hey you can't prove that!

a reply to: TerryDon79

There's quite a few others that I remember differently, but that's just my memory doing what it does.

But that's the thing, it is not just your memory, it's the memories of a significant portion of the population for some reason. Now some common errors seem to be logical due to their sound and spelling but why these?

I watched that scene 100's of times as a kid, and it always was "Luke I am your father".

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: TerryDon79

There's quite a few others that I remember differently, but that's just my memory doing what it does.

But that's the thing, it is not just your memory, it's the memories of a significant portion of the population for some reason. Now some common errors seem to be logical due to their sound and spelling but why these?

Why not? Memories are weird things.

I watched that scene 100's of times as a kid, and it always was "Luke I am your father".

Here's the thing. It's been studied. People have made the same mistakes after seeing a clip, reading a word, and many other things.

I don't know which study it is, but there were people tested watching that single clip from Star Wars. The clip said "no. I am your father". Over HALF said that it said "Luke. I am your father" within a minute of watching the same clip.

Look at optical illusions. That's about how your brain interprets things. Your memory is an interpretation of how you recall short term and long term memories.