George Knapp interviews Tom DeLonge about his big project

originally posted by: Springer
For the first time in my 35+ years the "insiders" really do exist as far as I am told by people who I trust implicitly and are actually in a position to know, and these "insiders" are genuinely top ranking folks who would be the only people a logical mind would assume can know about the topic if there even is a genuine topic to know about...


...Here's the kicker for me, the answer given does make some sense to my old and likely highly receptive mind as well. I've believed/known for decades these "insiders" have painted themselves into a corner with all the disinfo they've used to cover "it" (whatever "it" may be) up, assuming there really is an "it", and their time might finally be running out.

So, Springer, we are indeed talking, basically, about the same "insiders" who, "...have painted themselves into a corner with all the disinfo they've used." Folk you've been friendly with and trusted for many years in spite of the various and multitudinous disinfo? Some of those very same "insiders" who were working behind the scenes on the Serpo saga/hoax/disinfo it now appears. Also friends and associates of George Knapp, which doesn't come as a surprise. Tom Delonge is maybe the first Singer ever to be told not to quit his day job singing.

Looks to me like he's surrounded, outnumbered, and outsmarted. This ought to be interesting at the very least. This mixing of alleged disclosure with a profit franchise centering on pretty much all the mythology of the modern UFO era...it doesn't stink at all to you?

a reply to: uncommitted

the dude did leave a successful band to start this "nonsense", which is mental, why leave all those fans who worshp you and have probably never took an interest in these crazy conspiracy theories, but these young fans will start to look into why their hero has left there fav band, and what do you know we have some fresh meat, Tom De Longe is getting used to get whatever info out there that they want out, the thing is if we look hard enough at what hes saying, we could get an actual feel for what their end is. To me its the same as what it has always been, more fear equals more control. typical Machiavellian ways to control the masses. Except know they are going to delude us that the aliens are coming or what not, whatever it is it will be to create fear, i guarantee that. i dont believe that beings of a more evolved world would come here to hurt us, that doesnt make sense to me, if it comes out and the world is in fear because of the information given then it is lies designed to control us in some way, shape or form.

a reply to: uncommitted

The post I was responding to had him quoted as saying he'd been told stuff the general public wouldn't be ready for. That implies the public currently aren't privy to it.

My point though, is that basically the public has already been told. Anything he's been told has been cleared for public consumption. He's just getting a sneak peak. It's his opinion some of the public might not be entirely ready for. Maybe you will hear it and you feel the same way. Maybe people are not ready at all for it, and his handlers or 'advisors' see that, see how its being received and back off from 'non fiction' and spin him into being crazy and we just blow it off as another dis-info project.

Or maybe that's all it was to begin with.

Coming from a person who's had numerous business start ups, a few successful, many that weren't... Only 2 are still around, and they are my main source of income. Over 20 people employed. They took a lot of work. They took a lot of money. And we didn't make money on the one until a couple years in. It was a massive gamble. Told by many it would fail. A lot of people ate crow. The other one is poised to make money soon but its still pretty fresh.

In any case, what he's done here, from what I can see appears to be quite the risk. It seems he's put his money where his mouth is. He's betting his namesake, brand, future, all on this project which is focused on getting a message out to the masses. Yes it costs something [for us to get it], but it's a 1-time deal for each piece of info. And it appears that each piece has a decent production quality to it.

Compare that to your standard convention hopping charlatan. They go from convention to convention, charging admission. Selling their latest 'book' which half the time are incoherent ramblings. Production quality? Minimal. Entertainment value? Minimal."Oh look, they are selling timeslots in the desert to go on camping trips for $1000/pop." What's that? They have 'kits' for free energy machines.

The way I see it, is we usually get people selling books/videos/junk (to be frank, a lot is junk) - and there's no production value in it, they are selling it as 'non-fiction' and most of the time it's fanciful stories.

So what happens if we get the opposite? We get someone selling "fiction" but "based on a true story" and with some world class writing behind it to keep you entertained. With some production value that you feel happy to display it on your bookshelf. With a visage interesting enough to entice your little sister or brother to pick it up and give it a read (who thinks UFO stuff is dumb) and they really like it.

Is that so bad?

For the black & white people, there is a documentary supposedly in the works. You aren't forced to purchase or consume every piece of the project he produces. But personally, Im actually kinda impressed about what went into the production side. And I'd rather take "fiction" account of "non-fiction" than a "non-fiction" account of "fiction". If it turns out its all fiction, at least his is presented better. If it turns out legit, hey, what are we complaining about again?

a reply to: BO XIAN

It is too early in the game for the WHOLE truth to come out. That won't be out wholesale until the world ruler sets up his image in the new Jewish 3rd Temple to be worshiped as God.

Please... do expound!

I am truly interested in how you see the 3rd Jewish temple fitting into this.

I am not teasing/trolling..... am genuinely interested in your thoughts on this!

a reply to: The GUT

To clarify, the "insiders" Tom is talking with are not any of the people I know, they are way, way higher up the food chain.

ETA: I don't know if it "stinks" or not, I don't have enough information to determine it's odor yet.

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: The GUT

To clarify, the "insiders" Tom is talking with are not any of the people I know, they are way, way higher up the food chain.

ETA: I don't know if it "stinks" or not, I don't have enough information to determine it's odor yet.

Seems "HE WHO SHALL NOT B E NAMED A tro" was right on then.

originally posted by: glowdog
a reply to: AboveBoard

yes the whole thing sounds like a bad movie.

- aliens could attack any moment.
- defenses are almost ready - have been build in secret around the world.
- public needs to be informed to avoid panic when it happens.
- soft disclosure has been happening through art,cinema in the last decades ancient aliens on tv etc.

- make the idea of a world united against impending alien attack popular and sexy.
- ?


uh - i think i need to go out and walk around in the sun for a while...

Thank you for the analogy. Exactly what I was thinking. A really bad 1950's syfy movie.

I tried to follow the AMA with Tom, but 70 questions with one line answers became annoying, so frankly I just said enough of this stuff.

Granted, compared to other ATS members, I am a total novice regarding UFOs and disclosure, but I want to learn...

Is there a thread, a book, an expert, or any other "Gold Standard" time line or explanation that is recommended for a beginner?

AND. A burning question for me - Why don't whatever the THE's that they are go ahead and do what they are going to do?

Just to add. I like George Knapp. I recently started listening to his various interviews about Skin Walker Ranch and he seems very credible and fair minded. But JMHO. Like I said, I am new to all this.

a reply to: The GUT

It stinks to me, a little. But not overly, it's sort of predictable.

I use to say disclosure will not happen as the players had broken so many laws that they would end up in prison.
Now the narrative is coming from a well liked entertainer using words like " they saved us we need to be grateful" and selling the puppeteers as actually protecting humanity instead of keeping something a secret that effectively NEVER should have been a secret from us in the first place.

If the purpose of the "others" is to split humanity into factions, wouldn't the easiest way around this to have been to life the veil on it in the beginning to avoid the whole nationalistic/religious camp establishment being brought to an extreme head as it is today. When you have nationalism and religion you have factions and they perpetuate violent tribalism that keeps the militaries funded, despots in power and Arab springs highly watered.

No one behind the scenes suddenly felt good about answering a rock stars questions. He is being used. If they are allowing information to finally come out through him, the information coming out is a narrative of their making to stop them going to prison. These guys didn't suddenly get a conscious. They are selling something.

I want to hear what TDL says, as there will be value in it when you strip away the "military saved us narrative" but I am seeing it using the 1000 eyes of a fly on a shiny surface of polished turd.

Ok, let's look at it this way.

Since the beginning of human history the big lie has always been perpetrated like this:

Shamanism
"Only I can talk to the spirits. I have the secret knowledge. I have the powa!"

Religion
"Only God's chosen priesthood on Earth understands divine law. The priesthood has the secret knowledge. We the priests have the powa!"

Christianity
"We the Roman empire will create a religion from vapor and use it to conquer the world, as we ourselves are being destroyed. We will tell you that the Pope is God's representative on Earth and you will believe it, or we will kill you (and they killed many "pagans" and burnt many books). The Pope is our figurehead but we have the powa!"

The UFO Delusion
The government and other parties learned from the Roman Empire and created a religion from vapor. They did one better than Christianity, as this "religion" attracts both Atheists and Theists! We will pretend that the "Government" has proof about aliens and UFOs and has been dealing with aliens since "Roswell" and have been reverse engineering them.. there may even be a "star trek like" civilization hiding here too! We will keep dripping nonsense your way, like a carrot in front of a mule,
until we have learned how to control you perfectly.. and figured out how to "fake a UFO invasion" someday. Then we will have total control. "We have the powa!".

Doesn't anyone see a pattern here?

Really?

Kev

a reply to: uncommitted

De Longe would be perfect as an agent of disclosure, millions of music fans who arent just conspiracy buffs, they would be able to gauge how the average joe may receive this sort of information.

a reply to: boncho

Look, I get the soft disclosure premise and how it works, however that isn't a new concept.

What I'm having trouble believing is what Tom D is selling. He came up with such a unique plan for soft disclosure that TPTB had to let him in their circle?

I just see too many holes and the same cookie cutter process used by many former charlatan’s.

Its the same script just a different story teller with the same amount of evidence as before , based on stories , secret contacts with no verifiable facts.

I give this the same amount of credibility as phage working on soft disclosure.

I think that it's very likely that intelligent life has, at one time or another, evolved elsewhere. Even right here in our own Galaxy.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

When I was first approached with this I had multiple mixed thoughts on what could really be going on. They were all based on my experience and lots of assumptions I've made over the years, after speaking with Tom for over an hour and listening to what he had to say I came away with two new thoughts:

1. He absolutely believes what he's saying

2. I may be very wrong about what I've thought I've known on many fronts

I do believe the people at the top have painted themselves into a corner as George likes to say, and I do believe that the public reaction would be to demand their heads unless there was one very, VERY compelling reason they've kept all the secrets, created all the disnfo, etc...

According to Tom they do have a very compelling reason(s) and he believes them when they claim they did what they had to do.

That doesn't mean you or I will believe their motives were altruistic, correct, or in humanity's best interest, but, until I am told the rest of the story I don't know what I might think about it all.

a reply to: Springer

According to Tom they do have a very compelling reason(s) and he believes them when they claim they did what they had to do.

Imagine if in the beginning we weren't treated like children unable to process information. There would be no need to "protect us"

The whole UFO phenomena is either the latest red under the bed tactic, or more likely, they wanted to get the tech themselves in secret and it backfired on them in time.
Greedy.

They are releasing a narrative, Tom has no control over any of it.

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: The GUT

To clarify, the "insiders" Tom is talking with are not any of the people I know, they are way, way higher up the food chain.

ETA: I don't know if it "stinks" or not, I don't have enough information to determine it's odor yet.

How did you determine & verify who Tom's highly-placed contacts/insiders are? That aspect seems to be what made you not only suspend disbelief, but actively promote this newest disclosure caper? I'm betting that as we hear more from/about Tom, that certain ubiquitous characters of ufological chicanery are gonna turn up as part of Tom's "team."Just a guess.

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: uncommitted

De Longe would be perfect as an agent of disclosure, millions of music fans who arent just conspiracy buffs, they would be able to gauge how the average joe may receive this sort of information.

Yeah, ok, if it floats your boat. On the other hand he is tapping into a rich vein of people who believe that there is something the American (as per usual) government is hiding and he is the guy to lead it, and anyone who would buy his merchandise even if not music related - he has from what I just read had several different and contrasting pieces of work in development in recent years. Frankly I don't care about that, what I find tiresome is the 'whoa, this is the real deal' talk without one - one - piece of anything that is any different from the usual BS that floats around and yet this one is different, apparently.

I am obviously happy to at some point be proven as nothing more than a cynic who wants more than a tale told but never actually vindicated, let's see what happens - actions and words, that kind of thing.

a reply to: The GUT

I 100% concur.

An honest "dupe" is always used as the outermost layer of the deception, someone who is either a scientist with a reputation, or someone who is very likable and who people would want to bond with, a war hero or something of that nature.

Everyone goes "oh! he wouldn't lie! I trust him!"

But if he's being used as a duple.. you'd never know until the usual suspects are caught as you suggest.

Funny thought ... the United Nations has never been used for disclosure.. I wonder what we can infer
from that?

Kev

If i was meeting with insiders at the Pentagon and elsewhere my brain would have new information. He having an experience meeting these people and they're supposedly revealing new UFO secrets to him? But, what has he actually revealed that so revealing? Hes selling a book and toys on hes website. Why does he need to profit from it? Why can't the insiders fund this project, if they want the UFO truth to come out? I love it to be true, but nothing he said has me jumping up and down with excitement.

I trust George Knapp as a journalist. He's a pro and his station has always given him a certain amount of latitude to explore his personal interests. Knapp championed Bob Lazar, for example, and when the proverbial excrement hit the fan, Knapp did not throw Lazar under the bus, but also did not come out in wholehearted support. He remained a journalist and was fairly neutral. So good on Knapp.

Having said that, DeLonge is the same old same old. Take his insane net worth and reputation as a musician out of the picture and look what he is doing: He has a squalid storefront selling sweatshirts with pictures of UFOs on them while promising Disclosure is just around the corner. His initial book, "Sekrets" is painful. At one point you've got one person with two different names in two places at once. Even John Titor couldn't get around that fast. You've got a stupid plot coupled with poor writing that incorporates cameo appearances from many of the more famous UFO stories over the past few years, from Betty and Barney Hill to Oscar Flight. NONE of this stuff is new, and ALL of it follows a typical Cargo Cult kind of pattern that we've seen many times before. The elements are:

1. I accidentally got involved and pushed to get more once I realized what was happening.
2. The "Higher Ups" really want to blow this thing open, but it's the "wrong time."
3. I have a very special place and am "in the know" for all this.
4. There are a Bunch of Bad Guy(tm) aliens and a bunch of Good ones.
5. We've been fighting a secret war all these many years.
6. Disclosure is just around the corner.
7. When it happens we'll get the "free energy" device and everything will be peachy.

(Drum Roll) Enter Steven Greer, or Bassett, or Richard Doty, maybe William Cooper. They ALL say the same sorts of things. In Greer's case, he got so cocky that when he took people out to see UFOs, he said they were there, but they were INVISIBLE! But if you were sufficiently advanced, i.e.: Meditated a lot to raise your vibrations, you, too, could see them and have imaginary friends like Greer.

This story is no different than the Cargo Cults of New Guinea, where the adherents built airfields for the airplanes to land in as well as warehouses to hold the goods that would be in those airplanes. People gave away all their worldly goods and waited for the planes to land. (Want to read about it? The Trumpet Shall Sound; a study of Cargo Cults in Melanesia by Peter Worsley, an anthropologist.

Remind you of anything? How about Jesus coming again IN YOUR LIFETIME (according to Paul who, apparently, was slightly off) to usher in a thousand years of peace. It's the same story, just "revised and updated" for a modern audience quite accustomed to the idea of flying around in space. If DeLonge weren't a famous (I guess) musician and did exactly the same thing selling T-shirts and promoting his book, you'd think of him as another Truman Bethurum, the guy who met the Space Captain Aura Rhanes, a hot Latin-looking gal who wore black skirt and red blouse with a red beret at a jaunty angle. She was from the planet Clarion, which is on the other side of the Moon, where we can't see it, which is populated by Christians who speak all Earthly languages. He even saw her at a diner in the desert where she had stopped for a quick bite to eat. When Bethurum and his wife divorced, Aura Rhanes was named as a co-respondent.

DeLonge is caught up in this stuff, but he hasn't really been around long enough to realize he's repeating a pattern. I believe he is being played, myself, as another wide-eyed believer who can be manipulated into telling the story he believes. And although we have many people who CLAIM to "know for certain" that these "High-ups" exist because of some trusted source, no one can name them or verify they even exist--unless you're Greer who says, "I wish I could tell you, but I just can't."

a reply to: The GUT

I can tell you that the people I think you are thinking of are interested and paying attention but they have had nothing to do with the introductions and access Tom has been granted. Absolutely nothing to do with it.

I would also point out to those who are mistaking my interest as "promotion" or think I'm proclaiming this "the real deal" that both of those concepts are utterly false. There is no way for me to make any judgement on any of this yet, as I said in my OP.

The only thing I have independent confirmation of is the fact Tom is speaking with people who are at the stratospheric level of leadership.

All that means is he's gotten higher up the ladder than anyone I've ever heard of or known about. That interests the hell out of me in and of itself. I wanted to discuss it with the members of ATS and see what our community thinks about it - that's why I started this thread.

a reply to: Springer

right so DeLonge is in league with high up government figures and they have gave him this information and they are prob monitoring these threads that have started because of the information been disclosed thus far. to me they are looking at different outlets to disclose some serious info that could cause distress across the globe, i for one am finding this very interesting, i dont think that delonge is merely trying to sell books or t-shirts, that element is ingrained in him from his rockstar days, after all who wouldnt want to make money from selling this info, he is used to the high life ffs so he needs to cash in. i dont care about how he makes money from this cause its nothing compared to what he would have made in blink 182, so to me he isnt gaining from it financially compared to before, i dont know its a quandary................ when are we getting this info anyway, i remember delonge replying to me and saying that they were the gods of old, which i took as ancient egyptian gods like Ra etc in line with the Law of One, its all very exciting if you give it a shred of your belief.