Can idealists be reasoned with?

a reply to: confirmed

Why am i always called the super bad guy =(

a reply to: PanPiper

Nooooo (complete opposite)

Everything is awesome I whole heartedly agree with you. That meant that people always have something to say back

I need an ignore button

a reply to: ketsuko

One could suppose the Hegelian Dialectic as moving or changing the unreal (idea) into the real .But in a synthesised or compromised position .The old reality changes or disappears and the old idea replaces the old reality with the birth of the idea into the new reality . Does that make sense ? ...It looks ok to my minds eye .I guess the processes at the end of the day might have a half baked new idea existing along side the old reality at the same time . I am thinking of how there still may be old rotary phones still in use

originally posted by: luthier
Free market Austrian School capitalists and socialists are very hard to get to come down to reality.

Seems to me that someone having to come "down" to your 'reality', is hardly a selling point for your 'reality'!
IF you are trying to sell it.
If you know what I mean...

a reply to: namelesss

I have no idea what you mean.

I do know that many socialists and Austrian school economists completely disregard reality. One ignores money power the other thinks giving gov more power is the solution. Neither have a clue how to keep the money power from taking over.

a reply to: eisegesis

Even the laws of physics are showing crack?

Thats simply not true. We are just expanding our knowledge of them.

My last statement will be again idealism is fine. It just needs to be governed by practicality.

If we are talking pure philosophy than I am an idealist. Kant Is my man. I do think we constitute what we consider reality. (Which is actually unkowable as it exists)

The difference though is we are discussing the social vernacular of these words.

Let's take an Austrian School economist. A complete idealist in my opinion lacking practical restraint. They believe the market will take care of itself and that money power can't possibly bring about corruption (which LEDs to an oligarchy, tyranny etc).

This is a case of idealism being dangerous. If we were to not think practically about this idealistic vision and think of the reality of how much money power can influence social structure it would end up being a bad situation for the 99 percent. Even worse than now.

The reality is we need to take in account the market is made of human beings not robots. We have lot of emperical evidence of money power and corruption so there are necessary safeguards that need to be placed.

I am not saying you can't be idealistic just that if you have been labelled an idealist it's possible there my be a lack of practical application to ideas.