ASUS based Motherboards - Windows update can kill your computer

Any word on Xeon based systems? I have two Dell Xeon workstations, mine is dual boot with Linux, but my wife's is straight up Win7... should I halt automatic updates??

a reply to: Jakal26

www.dedoimedo.com...

If you're computer savvy you should have no problem removing it, this method may have been fixed in later updates though

a reply to: madmac5150

yes, i swear the recent updates are just breaking systems forcing users in a way to update to windows 10. So many people have had pc issues of late that I know who haven't disabled updates. My work being one of them

a reply to: constant_thought



I read something similar to this a few weeks ago but it was nowhere near as detailed. Thanks for the link, I'll have to give that a try. It gets really annoying constantly having to fight it off all the time, or when it decides to "come back" mid game and lag spikes run me into the wall at 200 mph, 80 laps into a freakin' race. Not cool Microsoft, not cool.





ETA: Have you tried this method of removing it?
Anyone else?

Just wondering. Don't want to muck something up in the process.

originally posted by: constant_thought
a reply to: madmac5150

yes, i swear the recent updates are just breaking systems forcing users in a way to update to windows 10. So many people have had pc issues of late that I know who haven't disabled updates. My work being one of them

Microsoft does not want to limp along the Windows 7 operating system (many companies are still using)--it looses money by having to do so.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Bottom line.

...so they just steal back (by destroying) what we paid for.
We have a word for that, in my world.

.....assholes!

originally posted by: constant_thought
a reply to: madmac5150

yes, i swear the recent updates are just breaking systems forcing users in a way to update to windows 10. So many people have had pc issues of late that I know who haven't disabled updates. My work being one of them

Yeah, not worried about mine... I have been a Linux user for years. I only keep Win7 for my Nikon software. My wife, however... her world would END if she had to learn a new OS. She was devoted to XP, and I had to beg for her to accept Win7. (I bought her an awesome machine... and still had to convince her to use 7.)

Worst case scenario, she learns to use Linux.

**IF I should die in the next year, blame my wife... she killed me because of Linux...**

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Microsoft is on top of things though... they issued a support document that states:

“After you install update 3133977 on a Windows 7 x64-based system that includes an Asus-based main board, the system does not start”.

I suppose this is the whole paragraph:

After you install update 3133977 on a Windows 7 x64-based system that includes an ASUS-based main board, the system does not start, and it generates a Secure Boot error on the ASUS BIOS screen. This problem occurs because ASUS allowed the main board to enable the Secure Boot process even though Windows 7 does not support this feature.

On the next paragraph they point to the solution:

To resolve this problem, go to the following ASUS support website to learn how to disable Secure Boot for Windows 7:

www.asus.com...

But, Microsoft being Microsoft, they add:

Note The Secure Boot feature is supported in Windows 10. To learn more about the security advantages of this feature and about the upgrade path from Windows 7 to Windows 10, go to the following Windows website:

www.microsoft.com/windows

Yes, they are trying hard to make people move from Windows 7 to Windows 10, but, apparently, this problem also affects Windows Server 2008 R2, and this one cannot be replaced by Windows 10.

Source

It's called "Planned Obsolescence". Just one flavor of it....out of many.

The ultimate OXYMORON...

"Microsoft Works"...

My wife is leaving for Seattle tomorrow... I am thinking her machine may need a second hard drive with an independent OS...

She will thank me in the long run.

I have it set to let me choose when to install them, but with this bit of info it's ok to not install updates from Microsoft anymore. At this point, I might put my Win7 machine into offline mode permanently, and switch to another operating system provider-probably Open Source with a complete lack of antivirus software (as long as you know how to configure things), and FREE online support.

This is not a way to make customers, Microsoft. In the next year or two, Steam will convert all games into being Linux compatible (without all the fancy directX, etc.). No big deal. They are going down, and they are going to take many hopeless people down this way. Good job Microsoft! You just helped all the techs who ever recommended Asus computers with UEFI BIOS to look very badly to their customers. Then, they will have to gladly buy a new motherboard for their PC! I'm sure Asus will come up with a flash for this, but it still hurts people badly. Especially the ones that don't know it can be "flashed" away.....Whenever the update comes out.

Also, it leads to the inconvenience of having to have 2 computers to fix 1. You have to have a WORKING computer to download the update. Some people's businesses might actually be destroyed by this! I think each person should get a chance at a PERSONAL lawsuit against Microsoft, and if the plaintiffs win, Microsoft has to pay all damages and legal fees... That's just how the cookie crumbles. You have to eat some to, Microsoft!

There always seem to be work arounds to override the Hijack software.
I'm still using Firefox 38 which requires setting
security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_128_sha;false
security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes_256_sha;false
So it doesn't automatically try to upgrade.
I've finally just about got my ancient XP system stable, wonder how long it will be before they stop hijacking Windows 7?

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: constant_thought
a reply to: madmac5150

yes, i swear the recent updates are just breaking systems forcing users in a way to update to windows 10. So many people have had pc issues of late that I know who haven't disabled updates. My work being one of them

Microsoft does not want to limp along the Windows 7 operating system (many companies are still using)--it looses money by having to do so.

The problem is the way we are being told to view their actions, for example you just said it loses them money.
Nope!
The truth is they can make even more money by crippling win 7, thereby forcing their customers to install win 10.

"Losing money" and "Make even more money"

See the difference?

Well crap, I'm still on 7. I have auto updates turned off, but my computer FORCES me to install updates if I want to shut it down. It won't allow me to shutdown unless the updates are installed, which I read is a feature of Windows 7 that can't be disabled.

Any suggestions? Any way I can stop my computer from installing updates?

originally posted by: Charizard
Well crap, I'm still on 7. I have auto updates turned off, but my computer FORCES me to install updates if I want to shut it down. It won't allow me to shutdown unless the updates are installed, which I read is a feature of Windows 7 that can't be disabled.

Any suggestions? Any way I can stop my computer from installing updates?

Yes, hold the power button until it shuts down.

Or pull the power cord. ( I wouldn't really suggest doing that)

Microsoft brought this upon themselves. Open source OS's like Linux are simply BETTER than Windows. Ubuntu systems are more stable... and they have FLAC support built in. (I am an audiophile... 24 bit FLAC is the future of audio). Linux systems don't crash. When Linux updates, it updates ALL of your installed software at once. AND... IT IS FREE!!

I have run Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat and they are all far superior to Windows... and... they are free...

Yes... free.

originally posted by: Charizard
Well crap, I'm still on 7. I have auto updates turned off, but my computer FORCES me to install updates if I want to shut it down. It won't allow me to shutdown unless the updates are installed, which I read is a feature of Windows 7 that can't be disabled.

Any suggestions? Any way I can stop my computer from installing updates?

NOPE. I forestalled this for 8 months and the updates kept on rolling (turned off computer) DON"T TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER! (yes I did); turned back on 10 hours later and whatever was sleeping, awoke and continued to install Itself to completion (Windows 10 is not that bad).

Turning off boot protection is a very simple solution. Still, how long will it take people to figure this out that don't know how to tweak the BIOS. I still say anyone hurt should have a chance at a lawsuit that compensates them for lost work, etc.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Is this part of getting people to swap over to Win 10?

It's important for us as both our machines are ASUS. Thankfully, I turn off auto-update.

Sure seems like that.

Nvidia drivers for Windows 7 are also causing numerous BSODs after allowing Windows to update. Solution pushed by MS: upgrade to Windows 10.

I actually got caught with this a couple of days ago. The machine we use here for doing numeric analysis (it's full of Titan Blacks running Cuda software) runs on W7. It updated and we got the UEFI error message.

The reason why is less ominous and conspiratorial than the article in the OP would indicate.

ASUS defaults UEFI protection to 'on'. And Windows 7 doesn't really support it. So it's not unheard of for this to occur, although it's generally not from a Windows Update run.

It's easy as # to fix, though. You just go into the BIOS and turn off UEFI boot protection. End of problem. Nothing's "destroyed", there's no mb damage, you don't lose the first program, the install is fine. Now, you go into the UEFI screen and start punching buttons, you can easily corrupt the system. So don't go whacking around in anger. Just flip off UEFI bootguard or whatever it is that ASUS calls it. One setting, and you are back in the saddle.

eta: here is a very minimal how-to, and while this isn't my exact BIOS version, the settings are the same names and in about the same places...