Religious Intolerance In Indonesia

I just opened a can of beer and settled down on my porch to relax, and it started again, (6PM). The mosque loudspeakers full blast and i thought SH** , so back inside again. Being a religious holiday in Indonesia for christian's (ascension thursday) i thought how rude these #s are to FULL BLAST the noise on this special christian day, especially when tomorrow is the muslim holiday of the ascension of muhammad. Then i remembered last Easter Sunday when most of Indonesia two main islands had a power outage 8AM-11AM.(very convenient) When i phoned the power company i was told we have to check lines and supply, bloody arsh****. It's different in Malaysia, the government and people respect all faiths, and mosques and churches etc. are ALL very low in volume. OH well, the last can went down with ease, so off to the fridge for another, cheers......

a reply to: tommo39

Send Me Your address and I'll look for My old Walkman™. I'd send You My Ipod™ but that is one of 2 links to this world...

I might even swing by the BigLots! and score You a set of headphones..

Now here is the rub... Can You still find cassette tapes in Your neck of the woods?

Om Bava Shaviya Om..

P.S. I would included the Merle Haggard tape but I recorder over it to play "Mr. Microphone"..

Why is your title YELLING?

originally posted by: Mrgone
Why is your title YELLING?

Why are you yelling YELLING?

OP, Indo is full of a mix. I knew fishermen years ago, who would only shake my hand with one hand. the other was.. well. you know. And strict is an understatement.

If it were not for extremists globally, I could respect their choices. But they are right on my front door. and I am not easily complicit.

I trust Indonesians more than any other, but this is a new world. You live there? you can't sleep in a bee hive and not be stung, surely.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Parafitt

Ts and Cs you agreed to doesn't allow all caps in thread titles....

Then why has not a moderator been alerted, instead it has been put into the public?

surely, the moderators would have rectified this.

a reply to: Parafitt

surely, the moderators would have rectified this.

They will, they will.

On topic, I thought Indonesians were generally quite tolerant, even a bit syncretistic. Maybe the OP has some Wahabis or T'abilqs living near by.

a reply to: Parafitt

There is a thread on it in Board forum....and why.

a reply to: Parafitt

You sound like ONE BIG aussie # stirrer to me.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Thanks for the info., point taken,

a reply to: Astyanax

The point i was making was showing "respect for other religions" on their special religious days, with the example of "tolerance" in Malaysia society towards other religions. (The noise machine i refer to is only a "prayer hall" and not a mosque.)....Cheers.

a reply to: tommo39

(The noise machine i refer to is only a "prayer hall" and not a mosque.)

More likely yet, then, that you are hearing Wahabis or some other Saudi-sponsored religious ruffians.

Backed by Saudi money, these intolerant mediaeval-minded creeps have been decanting their poison into peaceable and well integrated Muslim communities all over Asia (not to mention Africa and Europe).

I bet you’ll find plenty of like-minded Malays who hate the racket (in both senses of the word) far more than you do.

a reply to: Astyanax

Yes you are correct. Up until mid'15 the noise was a "sleepy" one,and only now and again. Then it went to a FULL BLOWN "lookalike mosque" in appearance, renovated with minaret etc. with saudi money of course, and a Saudi spruiker to boot!! I enjoy the fact, that today being Friday and men's day at the local, and being a prayer hall they are forbidden to spruik. With regard to Malaysia, i visit every month or so, have done so for many years, and honestly i have never experienced loud noise from any denomination, whether a mosque,church or temple .....have a nice day.

a reply to: tommo39

And the same to you, thanks very kindly. By 'Malay' I meant a 'Malay' speaker, meaning Indonesian or Malaysian. Filipino even. All part of the same pan-cultural language group. Religious and magical syncretistm is common to all these cultures.

a reply to: tommo39

Hey! No problem! I just had the best of intent there...again, welcome!!!

a reply to: tommo39
I'm not sure I understand what it being a Christian holiday has to do with Mosque's broadcasting their call to prayer. No matter what day it is, they will be broadcasting it 5 times a day (some places 4, so as not to disturb people at dawn)- that is one of the main functions of a mosque.

Unless you mean they were broadcasting something else like "EASTER IS A LIE!" or something.

originally posted by: babloyi
a reply to: tommo39
The context of the post was in respect of mixed religious "harmony" in a muslim country. (non muslim faith/infidels) To my knowledge, all religions show respect to muslims on their islamic religious days. But it is not reciprocal from muslims, refer to this in my post re christian Easter Sunday. This kind of action happens year after year.....have a nice day.

a reply to: tommo39
But broadcasting the call to prayer is a religious obligation of mosques. Why would they skip on it simply because it is a Christian holy day? It'd be like if such a thing as "International Bacon Day" existed, and a muslim would say "Okay, never mind my religious beliefs, today if someone offers me a bacon cheeseburger, in the interest of mixed religious harmony, I'll accept".

Actually, looking at it another way, why would a mosque broadcasting the call to prayer be considered disrespectful at all. It isn't even aimed at christians, it is aimed at muslims. It is done day in and day out, regardless of whether there are Christians around or not. It isn't done as a form of disrespect to Christians or an attempt to offend them, and I'm not sure why a Christian would see it that way. I mean, sure, you could complain that it is bothersome or noise pollution or something, but disrespectful to Christians? How?

Should one religion suppress or hide one of its standard regular religious functions simply because another religion has a special day? Why? The muslim call to prayer isn't related to Christians in any (negative OR positive) way. Why would Christians feel disrespected or offended by it?

Now, I've never been to Indonesia, so I can't speak to their attitudes and general disrespect towards Christians or other religious minorities, but I'm not sure why this would be an example of it.

"why would a mosque broadcasting the call to prayer be considered disrespectful at all". With due respect i NEVER mentioned the fact they should STOP using their loud speakers or STOP their call to prayer. I think you are missing the point, and as you have not been to Indo you will not understand. Anyway nice talking with you, cheers......