Climate Change Denial, Anyone?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

And just what is YOUR opinion about the false report on the Great Barrier Reef?

Tired of Control Freaks

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: amazing

Go to the global temperatures. Look at the rate of warming from the late 1970s to about 1998. draw a line thru it. When CACW started, scientists alarmed the world by claiming that the current rate of warming was unprecedented in history. Then look at the rate of warming from 1998 to 2014 (2015 was an El Nino year)

This is a quick and dirty explanation

www.climatedepot.com... t-in-paris/

Tired of Control Freaks

But if the warming has continued, as it must have if we're having record breaking global temperatures every year, why does the pause matter? Because, it appears the globe is warming. Isn't that the big picture, the real picture?

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

May I ask the reason that you are resisting the idea of Climate Change? Why must you denounce and deny it?
Do you just not give a rip????

What...please - I think you all are just about some sort of "the money" thing.

But - the Earth is being raped. There is no question about that. Alternative energy sources and methods are huge potentials - my daughter is a Materials Science Engineer. The Millennials are ready to take this on. Solar has been in the wings since forever - back in the 70s we had environmental movements, you know.

The Millennials are our children - we raised them to be environmentally conscious.
Sorry you were deprived of that background, but that doesn't change the facts! Just because the class is above your head doesn't mean the subject being taught is "wrong."

You can catch up!!!
Just try!!

a reply to: Astyanax

Guess the local weather all depends where you live. Other locations are smashing cold records.

Let it Snow: Temperatures Plunge

Record Cold Targets Northeast USA 2016

a reply to: amazing

I don't know how to answer your question, That can only be determined by waiting and seeing what happens.

However, AGW scares were based on some very central FACTS.

The rate of warming is unprecendented. - well it only lasted about 25 years, then it slowed down. What caused the slow down in the rate of warming or to speed up in the first place. Personally I very much doubt that the historical temperature record is accurate enough to confirm that there has never been a 25 year period with comparable rate of warming.

That the Medieaval warming period was nothing but a small regional phenomena. Well studies of ocean sediments have proved the opposite and the MWP is back.

The means that the level of global temperatures that we are currently experiencing is NOT unprecendated.

Guess what - if the planks upon which AGW was founded are proven false - then there is no CAGW.

Tired of Control FREAKS

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Why don't you, the person who "cares" about the environment answer my question about the coral reef first?

I have always been of the opinion that the environment is far far too important to be left to extremists and children.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: amazing

Further, there a lot of people questioning the continual adjustments of the tempurature record. Not that required adjustments are unreasonable but that every adjustment is adjust only in the upward direction.

Statistically speaking, this is reaching the level of extreme improbability.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Okay, if that's what you need.

I'm glad that the coral reefs are okay.
I'm sad that sea turtles have security sentinels so they can lay their eggs on the beaches of Barbados and leave them....

ever read Horton Hatches The Egg?

I'll be really happy when it turns out that bees aren't dying and monarch butterflies still exist, and that farmlands are no longer barren....

when the Ganges river is clean, and the Missouri river too! When Toxic Algae isn't poisoning the shore of Florida, and birds aren't covered in oil.....
Those things, see, they aren't okay. Coral reefs are just one less victim. Thank God.

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Further, I have lived in the Kansas City area for most of my life.....the weather has changed. The storms are far more severe - we never had "microbursts" before. We didn't have early October ice storms that shut the city down. Rain didn't used to blow uphill. It is different.

And whether or not it is a blip or a permanent reality, our energy bills are astronomical whenever there's a protracted heat wave or an unprecendented deep freeze or a flood of 1993 that wipes out entire villages.

So - yay for the coral reefs false alarm. Islands of plastic trash in the oceans? Boo....

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

And you have no questions in relation to the fraud that was perpetrated on the world?

How do you know anything about the turtles or anything else, if the people in charge are going to lie about it?

If 2015 was the hottest year in the world, the coral reefs should have been more affected than they actually were. What does that tell you about the "hottest year on record?

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Cute little picture. Thank God I think with my brain and not my heart.

Your electricity costs are going up and you are dumb enough to think its proof of AGW?????? Why don't you just check the rate at which you are being CHARGED for electricity. That is the direct result of using renewable energy.

How is that working out for you?

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

I have always been of the opinion that the environment is far far too important to be left to extremists and children.

Wait. WHAT?

You don't want to leave it to children?

guess what:
We Do Not Inherit the Earth from Our Ancestors; We Borrow It from Our Children


If only "extremists" can ensure there is something to leave - then we will do it.
Get with the program.

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Not dumb, but thanks. Trashing the thread.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Your children are going to inherit your money and your entire estate. Why don't you let them manage your money now. What bills to pay, what house to buy etc.

No?

But somehow you think children are capable of managing the environment????

and you don't think its dumb?

Tired of Control freaks

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: amazing

Further, there a lot of people questioning the continual adjustments of the tempurature record. Not that required adjustments are unreasonable but that every adjustment is adjust only in the upward direction.

Statistically speaking, this is reaching the level of extreme improbability.

Tired of Control Freaks

But what you're saying is not to trust NASA or the 200 Scientific organizations linked on their website that support a man made global warming theory and most Universities that support this.

If I can't trust them, they must all be misleading me. That is really hard to believe.

a reply to: amazing

yeah it is but when the evidence does not add up - what else are going to do. Go on blind faith? That is religion, not science.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Can anyone of the CAGW genius's say to explain the fraud of the Great Barrier Reef and why the coral wasn't more affected on the "hottest" year in recorded history?

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: jjkenobi

Those are all manifestations of climate change you're posting.

Our mutual friend the sufferer from posters' diarrhoea apparently has not realized it but the time for debating proxy evidence is long past. Nearly everybody has had direct experience of climate change now.

Some idiots never look out of the window.

Historic' Louisiana flooding: Three dead and thousands rescued

This is a flood of epic proportions," JR Shelton, the mayor of Central City, told The Advocate newspaper. "When we talk about floods now, we'll talk about the great flood of 2016. everything else pales in comparison."

'It's just weather.'

Several rivers in Louisiana and Mississippi are overflowing. Gov Edwards expects some of the rivers will rise 4ft (1.2m) above previous record levels.

"It's just weather."

n 2005, New Orleans suffered one of the worst natural disasters in US history, when Hurricane Katrina hit the city.

"It's just... blub blub blub."

Here. Have a hockey stick.

a reply to: Astyanax

oh Lord - the Mississipi has been flooding every El Nino since forever. What is different this time? What made it a RECORD BREAKING FLOOW - Certainly NOT climate change.

source.wustl.edu...

What happened at Valley Park and why? The prior flood of record in most of the lower Meramec Basin occurred on Dec. 6, 1982, Criss said. Given that the 1982 flood, like the 2015 flood, was a winter flood during an El Niño event, they should have been similar. Criss thought it would be revealing to compare them. When he did this, he discovered that the peak flood stage at Valley Park in 2015 was three-feet higher than it would have been had the river responded as it had in 1982, and more than a foot higher upstream from Valley Park at Eureka in 2015 than in 1982. What had happened at Valley Park between 1982 and 2015? A three-mile-long levee had been built next to the river; a landfill partly in the river’s floodway (as defined in 1995) had expanded; parts of the floodplain had been built up with construction fill; and development along three small tributaries of the Meramec had destroyed riparian borders, so that they became torrents after a rain but no longer flowed continuously.

The record high water levels on the Meramec were associated with these developments, Criss said. “The biggest jump in the flood stage was next to the landfill in the floodway and to the new levee, which restricted the effective width of the floodway and ‘100-year’ floodplain by as much as 65 percent.”

As for Hurricane Katrina - the storm was over long before New Orleans was flooded! New Orleans was built on a piece of land that is below sea level. The only reason the City of New Orleans exists at all is because there is series of levees build around the City to hold back the water.

Katrina did not cause the flooding or even damage the levees. The levees were very badly maintained and broke AFTER the storm was over.


So how does your global warming theory explain the freezing weather in Germany in August (hieght of summer) and the record breaking cold in Peru?

Tired of Control Freaks