Population control - Yes or No

I believed in freedom when i grew up, freedom of choice and democracy.. But the older i got, the more i realised nothing we cant change our nature..
Homo sapiens is a specie that shouldnt be able to survive for longer than approx. 35 years. Homo Sapiens shouldnt be able to live outside a warm climate.. We are a part of nature, the nature is not a part of us.. We are litterally killing this planet and its species cause we have become a parasite..

"Instead of controlling the environment for the benefit of the population, maybe we should control the population to ensure the survival of our environment." Sir David Attenborough

" The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then man’s new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal. " - Nikola Tesla

#1) The March 2009 U.N. Population Division policy brief….

“What would it take to accelerate fertility decline in the least developed countries?”

#2) Microsoft’s Bill Gates….

“The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”

#3) Barack Obama’s top science advisor, John P. Holdren….

“A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.

The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births.”

#4) George W. Bush’s science advisor Paul Ehrlich….

“Each person we add now disproportionately impacts on the environment and life-support systems of the planet.”

#5) U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg….

“Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

#6) A United Nations Population Fund report entitled “Facing a Changing World: Women, Population and Climate”….

“No human is genuinely ‘carbon neutral,’ especially when all greenhouse gases are figured into the equation.”

#7) David Rockefeller….

“The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary ecosystems is becoming appallingly evident.”

#8) Jacques Cousteau….

“In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day.”

#9) CNN Founder Ted Turner….

“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”

#10) Dave Foreman, Earth First Co-Founder….

“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”

#11) Prince Phillip, the Duke of Edinburgh….

“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”

#12) David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club….

“Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license … All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”

#13) Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger….

“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

#14) Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12….

“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”

#15) Princeton philosopher Peter Singer….

“So why don’t we make ourselves the last generation on earth? If we would all agree to have ourselves sterilized then no sacrifices would be required — we could party our way into extinction!”

#16) Thomas Ferguson, former official in the U.S. State Department Office of Population Affairs….

“There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it….”

#17) Mikhail Gorbachev….

“We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.”

#18) John Guillebaud, professor of family planning at University College London….

“The effect on the planet of having one child less is an order of magnitude greater than all these other things we might do, such as switching off lights. An extra child is the equivalent of a lot of flights across the planet.”

#19) Professor of Biology at the University of Texas at Austin Eric R. Pianka….

“This planet might be able to support perhaps as many as half a billion people who could live a sustainable life in relative comfort. Human populations must be greatly diminished, and as quickly as possible to limit further environmental damage.”

#20) U.S. Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton….

“This year, the United States renewed funding of reproductive healthcare through the United Nations Population Fund, and more funding is on the way. The U.S. Congress recently appropriated more than $648 million in foreign assistance to family planning and reproductive health programs worldwide. That’s the largest allocation in more than a decade – since we last had a Democratic president, I might add.”

#21) Clinton adviser Nina Fedoroff….

“We need to continue to decrease the growth rate of the global population; the planet can’t support many more people.”

#22) The first of the “new 10 commandments” on the Georgia Guidestones….

“Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.”

Its time we made a difference..

a reply to: stosh64

okay, well this was a start, sorta.. Anyone else want to pitch in..

a reply to: Metallicus

So two personas wants me to kill myself, yet none of you has hit the topic yet..*

Ill elaborate,

if you are fat; You eat to much,
if you own two houses; you earn two much

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: Metallicus

So two personas wants me to kill myself, yet none of you has hit the topic yet..*

Ill elaborate,

if you are fat; You eat to much,
if you own two houses; you earn two much

So are you saying we should kill fat people and people that make more money than you think they should? I say if there are people worried about this problem then they should be the ones that volunteer to die, but you don't get to select others to die for your idea of utopia.

There are people who have agreed with you throughout history. None of them were nice people and they left a trail of dead bodies in their wake.

No thanks.

a reply to: PanPiper

Personally I believe we have already sown the seeds of our destruction, just waiting for them to blossom as it were. I don't think we are capable of reversing the trend or have any desire to. As a species we are hell bent it seems to use very resource whilst polluting the environment with abandon until we all die from disease and or war, name your poison.

Its going to take an outside agency of some sort to put things straight. Either of our own making as in The Matrix, or of Nature as suggested by Tool. "The only way to fix it is to flush it all away."

a reply to: PanPiper

Make a difference by telling people who they can breed with and who is allowed to have children? No just no.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: PanPiper

Make a difference by telling people who they can breed with and who is allowed to have children? No just no.

We agree again.

This has bad idea written all over it...

a reply to: Metallicus

Absolutely. It sounds like some bad dystopia where everything is controlled and humans are nothing more than cogs in the wheel of a machine. I would fight against such ideas for my children's sake.

Also the OP mentioned maintain the population at 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. That is one of the "commandments" found on the Georgia guodestones. It would require the mass murder of over 6.5 billion Human beings.

a reply to: PanPiper

The general idea of population control, whether deemed favourable or not, will become essential to survival. The population grows constantly, faster than it diminishes. It is only logical to install a limit before it becomes to bad. Killing people? no. Limiters on children per family? yes.

Anyone who can think critically will understand that our increased life expectancy coupled with ever present multiplication is futuristically detrimental to survival.

Mostly I'm just happy about the tool references.

I think if we weren't so used to a lifestyle that breed disproportionate living conditions overpopulation would not be an issue... But alas we all need extra .

Not to say I condone taking from other but a more even playing field economically and geographically would help make it a non issue.

a reply to: PanPiper

This is going to be a doozey and I look forward to following it.

We had improved our social care and people with various condition s are living longer, however the deep cuts cameron and osborne are getting through government and have been doing for some time are having a devastating effect on people's lives - I never thought our own government would openly try to kill its own people off in its own country but now I am not so sure. Its so easy if you are wearing £600 shirts and £3500 suits not to understand how your governmental decisions can affect the poor - probably they don't care.

I have seen the Duke of Edinburgh's quote about wanting to come back as a human virus, personally I hope that if that creature ever comes back he is conscious of his environment and forms part of the bacteria involved in the making of cow pats, diarrhoea or something similar . Phil the penniless greek has far to high an opinion of himself its a relief to the royal watchers he can't go womanising off any more cos he's too old.

I suspect with the things being done to our food supply by monsanto and others the sheer numbers of people are going to be a problem especially if the food chain gets interrupted by some disaster - without going down the road of all the other things that cull our population.

Sad but I suspect we will inevitably die out like the other species that have gone before us, how quickly though is anyone's guess.

a reply to: PanPiper
Sure. Let's strip ourselves of the right to life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness. Life because one form of population control is extermination. Please, demonstrate this. Freedom because we would not be free to have children or the number of children we would like. The pursuit of happiness because there are many who find happiness in creating a family. I'm not sure this is true anymore, but even if one person is then you are stripping them of their rights.

I know this may not be a very popular or "pc" point of view, but more and more I think humans should be reversibly sterilized at birth. Then IF you want to have children you must pass a basic IQ test and currently have enough income to support a child. So basically as long as your smart enough, and financially stable, you will be allowed to have children.

-No more welfare families draining the system
-No more stupid people having stupid kids who turn into stupid adults who have stupid kids....repeating for eternity or until this planet can no long support us
-No more children abandoned because they weren't wanted or couldn't be cared for
-No more teen parents having kids for all the wrong reasons

a reply to: intrptr

Learn to swim I'll see you down in Arizona bay. Ramen!!! Thanks for posting that. I saw them live twice but both times Maynard was hiding in the shadows. Wish I could have seen them during the Aenema years.

a reply to: Quantumgamer1776
Isn't that argument like saying that only gay parents have gay children?

a reply to: Quantumgamer1776

I've thought about this as I used to work as a youth care worker in group homes. I knew one family who had 9 children in care due literally to their mother and her brother inbreeding. I calculated that one family cost the system over 2 million a year. However where do we stop this. Where is the line drawn.

People need better healthcare and education. People who are better educated and have a purpose and plan for their future are less likely to burden the system.

It's always great to hear of eugenics and who is preaching it.
The old, wealthy, famous person who already has children and has leached off society already.

I would personally like to see the top 5 to 10% of the worlds elite wiped off the face of the planet and their wealth distributed throughout society
It would end hunger, help endangered species...
Don't quote me but I think the top 5% own 90% of the worlds wealth.

The true parasites are the greedy
The true mentally ill are those who follow the teachings of the true parasites

But hey, why not kill poor people, sick people, that makes sense