"The Trump Family I know" by one of his employees...Lynne Patton

a reply to: UKTruth

The reason I pinned it down to billionaires is for simplicity...

Billionaires do a lot of things the average person doesn't do. For instance donate millions to charity or donate time and resources to vaccine distribution, it's almost a given right of a billionaire to join the list of philanthropists. Point being comparing a billionaire to anyone but a billionaire is flawed in terms of greatness.

It's not such a strange question really is it?

All I asked for is a reason why you think he is great, in terms of business he has been unsuccessful a few times. He's persistent though I'll admit that.

Go on give me a good example of him going out of his way to help somebody... It's not like it wouldn't be reported, he does use all opportunities to be relevant after all. Just one, any you like just show me one case and I might change my mind.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: UKTruth

The reason I pinned it down to billionaires is for simplicity...

Billionaires do a lot of things the average person doesn't do. For instance donate millions to charity or donate time and resources to vaccine distribution, it's almost a given right of a billionaire to join the list of philanthropists. Point being comparing a billionaire to anyone but a billionaire is flawed in terms of greatness.

It's not such a strange question really is it?

All I asked for is a reason why you think he is great, in terms of business he has been unsuccessful a few times. He's persistent though I'll admit that.

Go on

give me a good example of him going out of his way to help somebody... It's not like it wouldn't be reported, he does use all opportunities to be relevant after all. Just one, any you like just show me one case and I might change my mind.

I don't understand your logic. You are saying if you achieve something great in life, it's not great unless you compare it to others who have also achieved greatness? That is strange logic that ultimately means no one has achieved greatness or done anything great with their lives = after all who is really unique in their achievements.

You should not be swayed by an example of him going out of his way to help someone, but there are many stories of him doing exactly that.
Like this:


There are many others.

originally posted by: Aazadan

Yes, I do and that's why I say he's more liberal. Hillary is pretty much center right while Trump has always been rather far left. He likes putting society first, he favors progressive tax plans, he likes social programs, he's a fan of big government. He's a tax and spend kind of guy, and he gets off on the idea that he's the ultimate provider to others.

Again with this claim that only liberals and left-wingers in general are compassionate, and charitable?... Jeez, I guess the world didn't exist at all before Liberals and left-wingers huh?...

originally posted by: RAY1990
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Go on

give me a good example of him going out of his way to help somebody... It's not like it wouldn't be reported, he does use all opportunities to be relevant after all. Just one, any you like just show me one case and I might change my mind.

This thread is about one of those examples in case you missed it...

I'm Libertarian, but Republicans are far more charitable than Democrats.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: UKTruth

The reason I pinned it down to billionaires is for simplicity...

Billionaires do a lot of things the average person doesn't do. For instance donate millions to charity or donate time and resources to vaccine distribution, it's almost a given right of a billionaire to join the list of philanthropists. Point being comparing a billionaire to anyone but a billionaire is flawed in terms of greatness.

It's not such a strange question really is it?

All I asked for is a reason why you think he is great, in terms of business he has been unsuccessful a few times. He's persistent though I'll admit that.

Go on

give me a good example of him going out of his way to help somebody... It's not like it wouldn't be reported, he does use all opportunities to be relevant after all. Just one, any you like just show me one case and I might change my mind.

I don't understand your logic. You are saying if you achieve something great in life, it's not great unless you compare it to others who have also achieved greatness? That is strange logic that ultimately means no one has achieved greatness or done anything great with their lives = after all who is really unique in their achievements.

You should not be swayed by an example of him going out of his way to help someone, but there are many stories of him doing exactly that.
Like this:

There are many others.

Nothing flawed in my logic, it's a bit similar to the " to be judged by ones peers" quote if which the original meaning was to be judged by someone similar and not the king, for example. A noble man being judged by jury of noble men. In this case you replace "judged" with "comparison" so we have a bit of framework set up in terms of what we even mean by greatness.

I'll give an example of why I made that distinction.

A common man might decide one day to auction off all of the model trains he has meticulously collected over his lifetime, to him a lifetime of work and honour to the hobby he chose and loyally stuck to from his youth. The few grand raised and given to charity was not much but to him it was a huge dedication and decision to auction for multiple reasons, making it possibly one of the greatest things he has ever done.


How can you compare that man and his train models to the greatness achievable by a billionaire. For instance Bill Gates has pledged to give 99% of his wealth to charity when he dies, that is a great gesture. But the impact of great deeds done by a commoner compared to that of a Billionaire is... Incomparable, to be frank.

Do you see the logic of my question now?

I'm not accepting that as a good example either, no not at all.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: RAY1990
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Go on

give me a good example of him going out of his way to help somebody... It's not like it wouldn't be reported, he does use all opportunities to be relevant after all. Just one, any you like just show me one case and I might change my mind.

This thread is about one of those examples in case you missed it...

It is, also the deeds he has done to this woman are also in question within this very thread so I asked UKTruth to provide a source... I must admit I presumed that this very thread or the youtube video it's about would not be used as evidence of good deeds.

originally posted by: RAY1990

I don't know man...

Please show me some of these great things he has done that no other billionaire has done. I'll concead that the comment about Arab-Americans were chanting death to america quote and the survailence on Muslims qoute as slip of the tongue and down to Mr Trump being a tad ignorant and at worst prejudiced.

Everyone makes mistakes.

Do tell me, how well is the open door policy to all "refugees" been going for Paris?... After all, at least 3 out of the 10 terrorists who did the latest attack in Paris travelled into Europe posing as Syrian refugees... One of them had even been rescued from the sea by European authorities because his boat had sank, and he repayed Europeans with one of the deadliest attacks on Paris in a long time...

Paris attacks terrorist suspect Ahmed Almuhamed 'was rescued near Greece after his refugee boat sunk'

14:41, 15 Nov 2015
Updated 16:00, 15 Nov 2015
By Ruth Halkon

The 25-year-old is said to have been rescued by Greek authorities from a wrecked migrant boat while posing as a refugee to smuggle himself to Paris.

A terrorist behind the Paris attacks who allegedly posed as a Syrian refugee was rescued by Greek authorities after the migrant boat he had smuggled himself on sunk, it has been claimed.

According to Serbian media, a Syrian passport belonging to Ahmed Almuhamed was found at the scene of the attack at the Stade de France.

Now a Greek newspaper claims to have discovered the 25-year-old and a family member, called Mohammed Almuhmed, were rescued from a wrecked migrant boat that had sunk on the journey from Syria.
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www.mirror.co.uk...

But hey, an open door to all people who claim to be Syrians, even though they are not is logical and humanitarian right?...

The majority of the "refugees" are not even Syrians, they are posing as Syrians with fake passports and they are being allowed into Europe, and the Obama administration, and Cliton and Sanders want to do the same thing...

How is the "refugee crisis' working for Germany?... Remember the sexual attacks by what was it over 1,000 or more people who were "refugees" in New Year's eve?... Remember the attacks on the women, and the robberies which the German police couldn't even stop?... but that's 'very humanitarian right?...

Leaving a completely open door without checking 100% who those people entering are is a bad idea, and Europe has been paying for this policy...

But talking about it, and proposing this is stopped until some safe way can be found to only allow "true Syrian refugees" "is racist"...

Insanity it's what you, the Obama administration, the Clintons, Sanders, and on overall the rest of the elites, including those of Europe are proposing, and it isn't "humanitarian either"... At least not for the people who find themselves victims of such "humanitarianism"...

About 80% of the so called "refugees" are men of age 18-45, fighting age men, and amongst them hide ISIS fighters and other REAL terrorists... But some people want to allow all of them in without us being able to check who they really are... Very "humanitarian"...

What he is accused of is totally put to rest by Lynne as a Black Female executive. If he was misogynistic or racist there is no way she would be employed, right?

Donald Trump likely has very little to do with the hiring decisions for Trump enterprises. I'd be extremely surprised if he over saw the hiring of every employee.

Just because a black woman worked within his organization doesn't mean that he was okay with it.

a reply to: babybunnies

She isn't just any employee, she is an executive in charge of millions of dollars in donations for charities. She is invited to the Trump family reunions, and celebrations. it's obvious you didn't even bother to watch the video.

originally posted by: RAY1990

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: UKTruth

The reason I pinned it down to billionaires is for simplicity...

Billionaires do a lot of things the average person doesn't do. For instance donate millions to charity or donate time and resources to vaccine distribution, it's almost a given right of a billionaire to join the list of philanthropists. Point being comparing a billionaire to anyone but a billionaire is flawed in terms of greatness.

It's not such a strange question really is it?

All I asked for is a reason why you think he is great, in terms of business he has been unsuccessful a few times. He's persistent though I'll admit that.

Go on

give me a good example of him going out of his way to help somebody... It's not like it wouldn't be reported, he does use all opportunities to be relevant after all. Just one, any you like just show me one case and I might change my mind.

I don't understand your logic. You are saying if you achieve something great in life, it's not great unless you compare it to others who have also achieved greatness? That is strange logic that ultimately means no one has achieved greatness or done anything great with their lives = after all who is really unique in their achievements.

You should not be swayed by an example of him going out of his way to help someone, but there are many stories of him doing exactly that.
Like this:

There are many others.

Nothing flawed in my logic, it's a bit similar to the " to be judged by ones peers" quote if which the original meaning was to be judged by someone similar and not the king, for example. A noble man being judged by jury of noble men. In this case you replace "judged" with "comparison" so we have a bit of framework set up in terms of what we even mean by greatness.

I'll give an example of why I made that distinction.

A common man might decide one day to auction off all of the model trains he has meticulously collected over his lifetime, to him a lifetime of work and honour to the hobby he chose and loyally stuck to from his youth. The few grand raised and given to charity was not much but to him it was a huge dedication and decision to auction for multiple reasons, making it possibly one of the greatest things he has ever done.


How can you compare that man and his train models to the greatness achievable by a billionaire. For instance Bill Gates has pledged to give 99% of his wealth to charity when he dies, that is a great gesture. But the impact of great deeds done by a commoner compared to that of a Billionaire is... Incomparable, to be frank.

Do you see the logic of my question now?

I'm not accepting that as a good example either, no not at all.

I am not surprised, nor do I care, that you don't accept it as a good example. Do your own research because no one should be persuading you one way or the other. That's for you to decide.
As for the criteria for achieving something great in life, we'll agree to disagree.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Well whoop de doo, a terrorist organisation based in Iraq and Syria launched or supported attacks done by terrorists of their own organisation... You wouldn't expect them to be Korean would you? After all with a little consideration it's unlikely somebody with no education on guerrila warfare or bomb-making to set up or even execute a terrorist attack.

As for the Syrian and N Africa mass migration, yes many were not Syrian. But millions were and they had to go somewhere. . It was hardly an open door policy. Millions of humans moving over land and sea at great risk. It is illegal to send those seeking refuge back into a dangerous place. Europe had to do something over than ignore it.

You do know refugees, someone seeking refuge cannot be sent back to a warzone or where they are at risk due to protected human rights. Go read the universal declaration of human rights, most European nations take this document seriously.


Europe had to do something, it's why Germany went out of it's way to attempt to solve the problem because it had to be solved by law. Not saying I agree with the way it has been handled but it was hardly an open door policy. It was an epidemic and it should have been expected at some point. I doubt anyone expected the numbers the way it panned oit.

I am looking to Trump as a new president of USA

originally posted by: jetskigc
I am looking to Trump as a new president of USA

Really, then, it's behind or above him you should be looking.
For he has already been a puppet for some time.

A vote for Trump is a vote for people you don't even know, and probably will never know to be US President.

But you would certainly find out a good deal of what they think in what Trump says and, particularly, how he acts.

Trump is a pre-planned cartoon. Hs has no executive function of his own. Only executive positions (so far) where he carries out the wishes of unseen beings.

originally posted by: bw1000

originally posted by: jetskigc
I am looking to Trump as a new president of USA

Really, then, it's behind or above him you should be looking.
For he has already been a puppet for some time.

A vote for Trump is a vote for people you don't even know, and probably will never know to be US President.

But you would certainly find out a good deal of what they think in what Trump says and, particularly, how he acts.

Trump is a pre-planned cartoon. Hs has no executive function of his own. Only executive positions (so far) where he carries out the wishes of unseen beings.

Who do you think these unseen beings you speak of are? Are they different beings to the ones behind Clinton or the same ones?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: bw1000

originally posted by: jetskigc
I am looking to Trump as a new president of USA

Really, then, it's behind or above him you should be looking.
For he has already been a puppet for some time.

A vote for Trump is a vote for people you don't even know, and probably will never know to be US President.

But you would certainly find out a good deal of what they think in what Trump says and, particularly, how he acts.

Trump is a pre-planned cartoon. Hs has no executive function of his own. Only executive positions (so far) where he carries out the wishes of unseen beings.

Who do you think these unseen beings you speak of are? Are they different beings to the ones behind Clinton or the same ones?

Hillary is well established in the political game, way back to her days of law. It would probably take five minutes to look her up and half-hazard a guess of where she comes from and where she is going. Trump is elite no denying that, he was also born into it.

Lets face the truth, people are jumping on the Trump Train because he isn't old establishment. The same "joke" people pulled on Obama. Old establishment is old for a reason. Forget what Obama said and forget what any leader has said. It is a whole different ball game once these ideals, thoughts and actions face up to the "old establishment".

I'll be open and frank, and of course what I'm about to say is opinionated but bear with me... When people were looking to Obama as a messiah and pull everyone out of the # they were being delusional, from what I have read and seen Obama has done his best to implement his ideals in a relatively smart way but trying is where a good proportion of his endeavours failed. G W Bush on the other hand seemed like a right royal idiot nearly every time he spoke but that is where the funniness ends. Bush knew exactly how to work with the "old establishment" in fact he was bloody genius at forcing an issue politically and rather masterful in implementing things, Obama wasn't and still isn't because he honestly doesn't seem to get on with the "old establishment" and a lot of his presidency has been a one of compromise. Bush could work with them Obama has struggled with them. Them being the political elite of America.

So we have Trump, adamantly not old establishment from what I gather and therefore against the grain... How is he going to even implement a lawful public gathering with congress never mind something as serious as his own policies on immigration?

How could he do anything if the "old establishment" doesn't want him too?

Or is he part of that "old establishment" ? ? ?

a reply to: RAY1990

Actually I take that all back, 4 years of an incompetent leader and little political action might be exactly what the US needs.

Maybe what the world needs tbh.

a reply to: bw1000

But he is stronger than other competitors so i am saying

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: bw1000

originally posted by: jetskigc
I am looking to Trump as a new president of USA

Really, then, it's behind or above him you should be looking.
For he has already been a puppet for some time.

A vote for Trump is a vote for people you don't even know, and probably will never know to be US President.

But you would certainly find out a good deal of what they think in what Trump says and, particularly, how he acts.

Trump is a pre-planned cartoon. Hs has no executive function of his own. Only executive positions (so far) where he carries out the wishes of unseen beings.

Who do you think these unseen beings you speak of are? Are they different beings to the ones behind Clinton or the same ones?

Oh, good question.
As they are at the very top of control, and actually faceless in terms of being known, they really are indeed the very same beings.

They are exactly the same people. Not the same organization, the very same people.

They were behind Obama, George W Bush, Bill Clinton, and more.
Worse, they are behind election results interference.

I know that happened in Florida in the so-called elections which gave rise to GW Bush becoming President of the USA.

Since then, I don't know if Obama was thrown in with a false election result, but given the nature of these beings and their insatiable control, I would doubt that Obama's result was above board. Just an estimation. They did make him, besides.

... Getting back to the Hilary / Trump point - there are many others in between these beings and Hilary, and I can't say what that means, exactly, in terms of more or less control. They do have or have had direct contact with Hilary, while they are also involved wth groups and political interests existing around Hilary as well. That makes it both more complex with Hilary, and perhaps, on a whim, simple and direct at times.

The difference is that Hilary has people around her - both acting in her favour (she is very good at arranging this indeed) but also who may control what she does also.

Trump only has the direct line he is pulled by, under these beings.
Because quite some years ago, before he was made into blond mop, living, breathing Illuminati cartoon puppet, he was one od the underling controllers who used to pull others' strings.

He was punished for being tortured that way, leading to the ultimate torture puppet position, I'd say.

This is how their 'logic' works.

Satanic Iluminati really means satan, more or less. Everything they do is focussed around "the opposite" of truths, genuine contexts (hence the 'kidnappingl of peoples' minds and bodies) and so on.

She works for them?

Yeah okay.

As long as you have a young piece of Ass.