The hushed up southward mass migration of North Europeans

originally posted by: Achilles92x
a reply to: CynConcepts

Is nobody going to address this? I wish I had the knowledge to dispel it. I can't help but feel this is being ignored because the source is so tremendously ignorant.

Some posters are connecting haplagroups, but apparently many would rather ignore the white elephant in the room. You can see why I don't like creating my own threads. I have curiousity, but cannot speak the pseudo-intellectually on these matters. I was hoping another here would illuminate me more on the findings regarding haplagroups and OCA gene types.

a reply to: CynConcepts

I meant no offense to you. Not to get off topic, but it's just the website you cited is loaded with pseudoscience, pseudohistory and pseudoarchaeology. I can't speak on the topic of this thread, I'm simply following it, but I can guarantee that no legitimate expert in genetics would agree with realhistoryww's assertions, particularly that white people are all albinos.

OP you would come across slightly more credible if you didn't claim something was "hushed up" but then cite a number of public scientific and government-funded studies to make your case. This undermines any notion of a "hushing up."

a reply to: zinc12

Excellent thread!

My question would be 'how sudden is 'sudden' ?

Are they perhaps calling this genetic movement sudden in geological terms? As in when geologists often referring to events that take thousands of years as sudden in relation to the age of the planet.

Could the migration be due to a mini-ice age, which may have taken tens, or even hundreds of years to gradually push the northern population southwards.

Then again (looney-tunes time) Blavatsky refers to '...The last continent of Atlantis' in your quote. This suggests that 'Atlantis had more than one continent; perhaps another planet? Wasn't Venus in the Sun's 'goldilocks-zone' once upon a time? I imagine that if human's are still around when the Earth begins to leave the goldilocks zone our scientists will be looking to migrate to Mars, which will be entering the zone and becoming perhaps becoming habitable.

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
OP you would come across slightly more credible if you didn't claim something was "hushed up" but then cite a number of public scientific and government-funded studies to make your case. This undermines any notion of a "hushing up."

And yet what tv show or radio station did you hear these studies announced on? most people reading the OP will be discovering study's they have not heard about despite them being available for some time, the media is more interested in reporting the out of Africa tune or the flow of knowledge from east to west.

a reply to: McGinty

I doubt they can determine the speed with genetic studies but they can determine when the new dna was introduced to the native population. They would have had to make it there on foot, although they had carts (ratha) and horses.

I was unaware that planets decrease or increase their radii or orbit around the Sun.

Blavatskys reference was to maya danava who was a ancient king of the danavins. What is extremely interesting is that the name danava means tribe/descendent of Danu (an indian goddess). In Irish mythology they have the same group of people who are called tuatha de danann which has the exact same meaning, people or tribe of the goddess danu. In Irish mythology their homeland is "the northern islands of the world".
When they arrive in Ireland, they dont walk in but land on the top of a mountain and cover the island in mist.



"It is God who suffered them, though He restrained them

they landed with horror, with lofty deed,
in their cloud of mighty combat of spectres,
upon a mountain of Conmaicne of Connacht.

Without distinction to descerning Ireland,
Without ships, a ruthless course
the truth was not known beneath the sky of stars,
whether they were of heaven or of earth."

In Indian mythology the same group of people are known to have vimanas (flying machines).

This is a Interesting Thread I like it and Always thought something like this

India just be the 2nd Population Spread..

when i think of the word CASTE I think of this



which in humans is kinda Similar in a Royalty Structure ..

and this Structure had Spread ( Branched )
back to Europe Mediterranean, Middle east , Asia ,Indo asia

To South America to Central American and Upper America ..

within those timelines .. the Evidence is there follow the Pyramids // Temples
all from 4000 to 1000 years ago when you go from Sumeria India/Egypt through INDIA, Southwest Asia, Indonesia, Easter island , Peru , Incan, Aztec Mayan Culture..


Indonesia


Mayan Balinese


Hindu Mayan Connection
wikibin.org...

India on seas of Navigation anthropologist, has written that: "Those who believe the ancient peoples of Asia were incapable of crossing the ocean have completely lost sight of what the literary sources tell us concerning their ships and their navigation. Many of the peoples of Southeastern Asia had adopted Indian Hindu-Buddhist civilizations. The influences of the Hindu-Buddhist culture of southeast Asia in Mexico and particularly, among the Maya, are incredibly strong. The term Navigation originates from the Sanskrit word "Navgati" (meaning science of sailing) (Nav - gati) Nav means sailor or ship and gati means pace or speed in Sanskrit. With great zeal Indian historians pointed out that, in the past, Hindu civilization had extended far beyond the present boundaries of India. It had included not only Southeast Asia but extended as far as Indonesia (Bali and Java), the Philippines and perhaps it has influence even to South America, is something the world may have to think again, with the strong evidences emerging with time.

wikibin.org...

The question arises whether the ancient Hindus of Indonesia had contact with Mayan civilisation across the pacific which is evident from the pyramid constructions in Indonesia very similar to that of the Mayans. I shall share some information of what I collected from my reading

wikibin.org...

in this article it has topics of between Hindu & Mayan connection

The Indonesian Hindu temples Resembling Mayan Pyramids

Ancient Architects Employed Analogous Design Doctrines and Masonry Methods

Reference
www.hinduwisdom.info...

arxiv.org...

www.archaeologyonline.net...

www.occultforums.com...

www.redicecreations.com...

originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: McGinty
I was unaware that planets decrease or increase their radii or orbit around the Sun.

Blavatskys reference was to maya danava who was a ancient king of the danavins. What is extremely interesting is that the name danava means tribe/descendent of Danu (an indian goddess). In Irish mythology they have the same group of people who are called tuatha de danann which has the exact same meaning, people or tribe of the goddess danu. In Irish mythology their homeland is "the northern islands of the world".
When they arrive in Ireland, they dont walk in but land on the top of a mountain and cover the island in mist.

The orbits of the planets don't change (well, they increase just a little as the Sun changes). It's the radiation (heat) given off from Sun that changes - it is gradually increasing as over it's lifetime (to eventually become a Red Giant). When it was younger and cooler the Earth would've been as Mars and Venus, which is closer to the Sun, would have enjoyed liquid water.

In a couple billion years the Sun will have heated to the point that Earth will look as Venus does now, but the hotter Sun will bask Mars in it's rays. I always wandered if the Ark legends derive from such a solar migration from Venus to Earth to escape the solar climate change. Perhaps the environmental difference between Venus and Earth could also make some sense of the inexplicably long lives of biblical characters, which slowly diminished to mortal duration due to the Earth's atmosphere, greater gravitational force (maaaaybe!!) and of course interbreeding with the indigenous species.

Interesting that Danu and Danann are both relating to female deities and Venus is, as the saying goes, where women are from; as well as Venus being the Roman goddess of love.

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
OP you would come across slightly more credible if you didn't claim something was "hushed up" but then cite a number of public scientific and government-funded studies to make your case. This undermines any notion of a "hushing up."

LOL you dont see this on the 6 o clock News do you!! LOL

It was only mentioned for the ones that does the Research ...

It not Broadcasted!! to the World as it Should be!!

perhaps it why the OP ment Hushed up ..
like Most of Scientific Evidence of the Old World that goes un noticed

no one seems to listen no one seems to care so it goes under the Radar of Ignorance

and So... its placed on File in some Vault or some Website
( on some, no one gives a # Site where only a few would bother finding it )

a reply to: zinc12

Yet another thread on here trying to make a mountain from a molehill when it comes to ancient history, there are settlements in the islands around Scotland dating from 1000-4000 bc so some from your dates quoted you cant get much further North in Europe yet they didn't head south.

originally posted by: Achilles92x
a reply to: CynConcepts

Is nobody going to address this? I wish I had the knowledge to dispel it. I can't help but feel this is being ignored because the source is so tremendously ignorant.

Three glaring issues in the very beginning of the page:

- the link references a book entitled "Origin and Evolution of Primitive Man" by Albert Churchward. He is the brother of James Churchward, who invented all manner of insane occult pieces, like the Island of Mu. The book is actually a speech given to a group in 1912, and contains all the bigotry and prejudice that anthropology had in that day.
- I references a work from 1911 entitled "Riddles of prehistoric times" by James Anderson. Perhaps there is good information in there, but i'd have to run down each piece of information in the snippet to find out. The book is available for free on Google books, so I may end up reading it. it sounds interesting (knowing what someone found mysterious in 1911). But the information in the snippet would not be considered contemporary, given what we learned in the last 100 years.
- another references something published in 1851. not that its not trustworthy, only that we've learned so much since then.

Ill have a read through a bit later. it looks like something to kill an hour or two if nothing else.

a reply to: wmd_2008

I think you will find the people who currently inhabit north Europe came back mostly through Spain to resettle those lands. So there was an outwards movement and an inwards return movement from north Europe.

Your argument is like saying if the volcano in Iceland erupted and killed everyone in Iceland the fact that there could still be people in say England alive proves it couldn't have happened.

A major Flood having taken place in the past is not a crazy thought. The Northern Half of Europe and America was covered with Ice and snow metres deep, when it melted it has to go somewhere. Seas levels would have rose and it would have caused mayhem for people living near the coast or on Islands. The oldest found Settlement in Ireland is dated to 8100bc, so there was people in Ireland just after the Ice melted. Where they came from after the ice age is anyone's guess?

There was Mass migration to Ireland 5,000 Years ago as well, has been documented, and its has puzzled Scientists. The influx was inwards not outwards. They not sure why those people from the very edges of Europe came to the British isles?

Regarding Atlantis its possible it existed. The story of Atlantis was an Egyptian tale. Plato claimed it existed 9,000 years ago before Solon who visited Egypt in 600BC. I find it curious he dates the accounts don't you? 11,000 years ago would fit with the melting of the Ice. Maybe a handful of people escaped and settled elsewhere around the world?

Starred and flagged very interesting

a reply to: zinc12
www.therightperspective.org...
I love this topic. Check this out guys.

a reply to: zinc12

Humm, I wonder if the Chinese mommies could have been the Tuatha De Danann(people of the goddess Danu) that left Éire/Ireland when the Celts threw them out. According to the legends, the Tuatha De Danann either left by boats, or they retreated deep into the Earth. Their more ancient name was Tuath Dé, which translates to "tribe of the gods". They were supposed to be "magical beings", but i wonder if they were just more technologically advanced but were fewer than the invading hordes of Celts which is why they left Ireland.

Uploaded on Apr 12, 2011

In the late 1980's, perfectly preserved 3000-year-old mummies began appearing in a remote Chinese desert. They had long reddish-blond hair, European features and didn't appear to be the ancestors of modern-day Chinese people.

In a find that could turn conventional history on its head, scientists using genetic testing have discovered that Caucasians lived in western China's Tarim Basin a thousand years before East Asians arrived.

Unearthed lying on her side as though in sleep, a single tuft of red hair falling across her head and ragged moccasins on her feet, the Beauty of Loulan is considered to be one of the best preserved mummies ever found.

Roughly 3800-years-old and discovered in the sands of Xinjiang province in western China, her emaciated features betray a facial bone structure that is surprisingly similar to Caucasian looking women.

A team of American and Chinese researchers working in a laboratory in Sweden used DNA samples to date and profile her mummy, confirming she and other mummies are of Indo-European descent.

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Here is the video of the above link which is from 2011.

a reply to: zinc12

Genetics and DNA would show you are wrong.

a reply to: zinc12

Absolutely fascinating thread which I have enjoyed thoroughly. I attach an article about the blood groups www.khazaria.com... from which will be seen the link with the Indians and the Europeans.

The people I find most interesting though are the Chinese mummies and and sad that these important parts of our history are being so neglected due to lack of funds, especially when you see some of the funding given to ludicrous things.

The idea of people moving around the globe seems to be a very hot potato for some and especially those who want their version of history to remain and block out any further research or facts.

You also have the attitudes of people like Dr Hawass who seemed to think it impossible that the Ancient Egyptians may have been superseded by another race, who's contribution to their building programme eclipses Egypt's current occupiers.

But that is all we actually are, current occupiers because for some reason its unpopular scholastically and educationally to think that people migrated when and whoever they wanted to in the past, most often probably because of survival. Ancient people were supposed to be inferior to us, religiously ignorant and savages.

Today we are so PC dragged down that PC gets in the way of truth and I would rather have truth and understanding than stupid sensitivies that actually have no basis in fact.

The tartan links between Africa, China and Ireland are fascinating and we should really celebrate our ancient people's incredible capacity for survival and innovation. They are after all our ancestors and we should be respectful of their achievements not neglectful because it doesn't suit our history books or today's PC view of the world.

a reply to: Thetan

Thanks for the link, like I said the southward movement was more extensive, not that the media will ever attempt to connect the dots and let the world know.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Possible and going into the Earth could equally mean they went into the ground in a cataclysm ie the ground or ocean swallowed them up.

"that wise men do not konw the origin of the Tuatha De Danann, but that it seems likely they came from heaven, on account of their intelligence and for the excellence of their knowledge.
The book of Dun Cow
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