Hillsborough, Liverpool Pushers Are The Most Special Snowflakes Of All

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Right that is actually bang out of order, it was the Juventus Ultra hooligan's that started the riot, now I am actually an Evertonian (Technically though I no longer have any interest in the sport) but like most liverpool family's we are split about 50/50 between blue's and red's.

Put yourself for a moment in the seat's of the Liverpool fan's, you are hearing badly accented chant's and seeing throat slashing gestures and Nazi Salutes from the infamous Juventus Ultra Hooligan's one of the worst hooligan outfits in Europe at the time, then one of the Juventus fan's stand up and draw's a pistol waving it at the Liverpool fan's and there family's (family's do you take a family to a riot or were they really just there to watch the game).

Do you.

A. Cower in your seat in a strange country when you come from a city which still proudly bears the scar's of the Nazi bombing raid's and from which almost all family's had fighting men in the war

Or

B. Stand up and remonstrate against the Italian hooligan's showing them you are not going to be cowed by there threat's and behaviour, of course then it get's out of hand as fan's from both side's start to bay for blood.

The Juventus Ultra's.
en.wikipedia.org...

And who was it that had the starter pistol, well non other than a member of the Juventus club owner's family.
strangelyperfect.tv...

And for the record the worst hooligan's in British football's fan base were actually from the Cardiff football club's fan base.
talksport.com...
Liverpool does not even rank among them though in 2014 they had 23 banning's with southamptom being the most peaceful supporters with just one single banning for bad or unacceptable behavior.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Right that is actually bang out of order, it was the Juventus Ultra hooligan's that started the riot, now I am actually an Evertonian (Technically though I no longer have any interest in the sport) but like most liverpool family's we are split about 50/50 between blue's and red's.

If you or anyone else has 2 hours to spare then watch this then decide who you believe was to blame.

It's always the same innit. but...but...but he started it.....whitaboutery doesn't wash with me.

At the end of the Day Liverpool fans tore down a dividing fence and charged the Juventus fans causing a crush that led to 30+ something deaths...All Juventus fans. To deny that after the facts presented on the day (we all saw it) and since is, how many Liverpool fans were charged again? Bang out of order.

Or are you trying to say Juventus fans were guilty because they shat it and ran away once the fence came down.?

Anyway. Watch the video. RIP the 39.

a reply to: LABTECH767

And for the record the worst hooligan's in British football's fan base were actually from the Cardiff football club's fan base.

Whilst not wanting to derail and debase this thread I do have to say this is the biggest load of claptrap I've read on ATS for a while.

Heysel has no relevance to events in Hillsborough.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: LABTECH767

And for the record the worst hooligan's in British football's fan base were actually from the Cardiff football club's fan base.

Heysel has no relevance to events in Hillsborough.

In a way it does. As i said. After Heysel the media was always going to portray Liverpool fans as thugs and to blame for Hillsborough. Heysel made it easy for the Media to paint the picture they did.

As for Labtech's statement that Cardiff were #1 crew back in the day....Not by a long shot. Chelsea, West Ham, Millwall even Leeds were head and shoulders in front in the race for English footballs top Firm for Hooliganism.

Before Heysel (and even after) i dont ever recall Liverpool having a serious organised hooligan element like the four Clubs i just mentioned.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

In a way it does. As i said. After Heysel the media was always going to portray Liverpool fans as thugs and to blame for Hillsborough. Heysel made it easy for the Media to paint the picture they did.

Yeah, I suppose I can see that.
My point was more about Heysel having no bearing on the actual events that occurred at Hillsborough.

As for Labtech's statement that Cardiff were #1 crew back in the day....Not by a long shot. Chelsea, West Ham, Millwall even Leeds were head and shoulders in front in the race for English footballs top Firm for Hooliganism.

West Ham and Leeds for sure.
Chelsea very overrated and Millwall never travelled.

Before Heysel (and even after) i dont ever recall Liverpool having a serious organised hooligan element like the four Clubs i just mentioned.

Everton's Naughty Forty were a handful but you're right, Liverpool never really had an organised mob.

I could mention a few others but I don't think its really an appropriate subject for this thread.

a reply to: Freeborn

You are correct let's keep this on thread.

Just for the record I have nothing against Cardiff at all, I don't even follow footy these day's and Cardiff happen's to be a lovely city as well, prefer rugby myself it is a proper man's game and it just so happen's they have a proud history of rugby too.

And you are correct it does play into the tragedy, the way the press followed suit following margaret thatchers government's blame of the liverpool fan's for Heysal and the way she used it to suppress what was then regarded as our national sport was disgusting.

So at some level perhaps psychologically the police themselves despite there bad reputation for already underhanded and illegal tactic's and poor crowd control as demonstrated during the miner strike's were perhaps viewing the liverpool fan's in the wrong light as well.

The worst part of the tragedy for me though was not the crush it was the after effect's when young kid's and injured whom could have been saved by proper crisis management were further failed by the inept and frankly criminal handling of the crisis by those same police responsible for the crush and a lacksadaisy and slow response by the ambulance service which contributed very much to the eventual death toll, not just death's at the time but many suffered severe post traumatic stress as a result among the other supporters and the collateral damage lasted a very long time with the family's of course still suffering to this day.

It was a cover up that is a fact, it was police incompetance and criminal negligence as well and the former chief constable should now be brought back to court to face manslaughter charges as it is very much in the public interest so let's hope that happen's eh?.

a reply to: Counterintelligence

In answer to this.

I have no doubt that there is another reason justice has been delivered at this time..and I agree with the OP in part when he suspects that this is to bring about private police forces.

I started this thread. www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'll try to answer some other points.

a reply to: Kandinsky

This is a reply in a previous thread from skywatcher44.

The big shame was at the time the newspapers blamed those at the front who had been squashed and most died, they were the ones who had queued and shown tickets correctly. The organizing was a shambles and many changes were made after the fact
which is usually the case.. Those at the back who were the pushers and shovers-- They Know..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

They know they're special snowflakes and we must not mention their physical actions, which lead to the tragedy, lest we be pilloried.

This link seems to explain it as best as I am able. www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: yorkshirelad

The timing and emotional use give it away.

The natural arrogance and rrs covering was relied upon. With very little encouragement the cover-up reached ridiculous proportions.

a reply to: Rocker2013

You're not mentioning the organised rush on the turnstiles, extensively documented on video and in witness statements, the only driving factor behind the fatal crush.

Patsy Duckenfield's decision to open the gates was almost crucial. Only almost because the gates had been altered two years before so the upper bolts slid down under repeated pressure. They had to be held in position when the crowd applied pressure from outside. Those gates were redesigned to give way.

originally posted by: Kester
the gates had been altered two years before so the upper bolts slid down under repeated pressure. They had to be held in position when the crowd applied pressure from outside. Those gates were redesigned to give way.

You got a link?
Not doubting you but you know how it is.

a reply to: Rocker2013

The Home Office has known since 1946.

All that was needed was one or two additional influences and 'danger' could be translated into 'death and injuries'.

hillsborough.independent.gov.uk...

a reply to: grainofsand

Somewhere amongst the previous threads, I think. If not it's in the inquest evidence somewhere. hillsboroughinquests.independent.gov.uk...

Sorry I can't be more precise, but those thoroughly familiar will know.

the events outside the stadium had nothing to do with what hapend inside last week you posted a thread about the control room incident. the only cover up was that the police blamed the fans when they have now been proved i. court to be lies south yorkshire police could do no wrong as far as the thatcher goverment was concernd after the miners strike your post just continue to put the blame on liverrpool fans outside wich is not the case move along and come up with somthing new. the powers that be new it was the sun tabloid was partly to blame being a firm tory paper and demonising the fans this is why you wont find a coply on sale in merseyside still to this day.youve obviously got som agenda but your going down the wrong route now blaming fans

a reply to: Kester

Fair one, at least the Crown Prosecution Service is showing an interest now, I hope if it happened then it will be shown in criminal prosecutions.

a reply to: ukgaz

Pushing to get in free was a tactic that was taken advantage of to create this disaster.

Courts prove nothing. Evidence proves. Video evidence shows the scene outside the turnstiles. Patsy Duckenfield was used as the scapegoat, opening the gate to prevent death outside, it caused much more inside. He was the fool they set up to take the blame. Just look at him.
Patsy Duckenfield.
Set up to take the fall.

Frankly Kester, you strike me as one of those brain surgeons who sing "Murderers" from the Stretford end when you are playing Norwich.


You learned nothing from the last 27 years or the last week, you are still parroting the same lies SYC were spoonfeeding people.

Ticket less fans, late fans all that other rubbish that has been proven to be lies.

Since there are gonna be criminal charges following the latest inquest I'd suggest that your moronic posts could actually land ATS in serious legal trouble.

Time to get some fresh air and clear your head.

al that i can add is that youd beter not come to liverpool and say things like that i wouldnt give your life expextancy very long

i totaly agree with you sprocket well said a reply to: SprocketUK

a reply to: ukgaz

I was in Liverpool last month. I'll be there again. Those posters asking, Where's Walter? (Jackson). Those are me.


I'll be campaigning for the dead.