Refugees....

a reply to: mkultra11


I think there are some very valid points in your post.


One of the issues that has bothered me about the alleged "refugee" crisis is how loosely that term is being used. I had posted THIS INTERACTIVE MAP several months ago and it is current up to September of last year. (Scroll down the page a bit to see the map).

The fact of the matter is that many people (and the MSM) keep pounding the "Syrian Refugee" aspect but people entering Europe as "refugees" are from nowhere near the war-torn Syrian nation or the surrounding area.

It's a bit like how in the United States the popular thing to do when referring to illegal immigrants from Mexico or Central America is to use the term "Unaccompanied Minor," while assuming that an 18 year old MAN (not a boy) is somehow an unaccompanied minor. The photos and videos always seem to show grown women/mothers along with adult men taking the trek with them.

This is not meant to say that the two groups are the exact same, but there is a LOT of mis-labeling (to be generous) going on in the press.

Sort of rambled there, so I apologize for that.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: eluryh22

originally posted by: intrepid
Is everyone missing the point? These "refugees" made our culture better. Are future ones going to be different?

I'm not exactly what your point is, to be candid.

Is your point a one way street, blanket statement that ALL refugees are good and EVERYONE should ignore the problems associated with a sudden influx of people from culture A into a nation that historically is of culture B?

Well, I'm Canadian. I'm not afraid of the brown person next door. Hell, I've had that food. AWESOME. Guess what? They BBQ too.

Well, I'm a New Yorker and work in NYC so I see, work with, deal with, argue with, dine with and live with them all. I'm not afraid of any one group but I also know any random person walking down the street might try to slash me (see all the incidents in NY if you have a chance).

That being said.... I honestly, sincerely still don't understand what your overall point is.

(I'm not saying that to be a wise-guy but I just can't seem to follow where you started from and where you are going).

originally posted by: xuenchen
Never could understand why the Arab refugees don't seem to be welcome in other Arab nations?

Or maybe some of that empty land in Saudi Arabia could be used to start a new country?

All in all however, the U.N. is at fault for most of the problems we are witnessing imo.

The U.N. cleverly "ran out of money" for the Syrian refugee efforts last year I think.

Abolish the God-damn UN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: xuenchen
Never could understand why the Arab refugees don't seem to be welcome in other Arab nations?

Or maybe some of that empty land in Saudi Arabia could be used to start a new country?

All in all however, the U.N. is at fault for most of the problems we are witnessing imo.

The U.N. cleverly "ran out of money" for the Syrian refugee efforts last year I think.

Abolish the God-damn UN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen!

originally posted by: eluryh22

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: xuenchen
Never could understand why the Arab refugees don't seem to be welcome in other Arab nations?

Or maybe some of that empty land in Saudi Arabia could be used to start a new country?

All in all however, the U.N. is at fault for most of the problems we are witnessing imo.

The U.N. cleverly "ran out of money" for the Syrian refugee efforts last year I think.

Abolish the God-damn UN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen!

The UN , you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy...

a reply to: Thetan

There is always a time of transition. The folks coming in need time, so too do the folks that are there.

To demand that they instantly fit in is understandable. But it's also impossible, it just doesn't happen like that, ever.

Eventually, they will. Oddly enough, so too will the ones already there. Societies change.

I happen to agree with 'trep, which doesn't happen all that often. Eventually those immigrants/refugees will fit in, and the culture will be the richer for it. But that takes time and understanding...not just from us, but from them, too. In most ways they'll be able to live their lives as they did with nothing but minor changes, other changes won't be so minor. But so, too, will our lives have to change to accommodate, mostly minor barely noticeable changes, but others will be very noticeable. It'll be uncomfortable, even dangerously so, at times. So? That's been the tale for as long as there's been cultural differences, forever.

If given the chance those refugees that are so bothering many in Europe will change. Some will weed themselves out, one way or another, the rest will assimilate...learn the language, and customs, and begin to fit in.

Time. That's all, time.

a reply to: intrepid

Excellent point and hilarious video!

A cookie for the D/P.

originally posted by: intrepid
Is everyone missing the point? These "refugees" made our culture better. Are future ones going to be different?

Which ones; most of us are legal immigrants; who were refugees exactly, what targeted time frame in our history; 300 years ago, 200, 100? This nation is overloaded already by illegal immigrants being accepted into a system that will eventually allow them citizenship. These are OUR ALREADY HERE 'special' pet project refugees from Mexico, and Central America. We are doing our part to help them. How thin in services or far in philanthropy (private?) can we provide when not able to take care of the poor or the homeless living here within our own communities? How about this nation first and those living within it get the attention of .gov/special/needs/services/homelessness.

originally posted by: Thetan
a reply to: UnBreakable

I'm afraid I don't understand your post.

This whole thread appears to consist of missed points. If I have to explain it, you''ll never understand.

All of us in north america came at one point from refugees or immigrants, but yea this time its game over, these guys are really evil.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Thetan
a reply to: UnBreakable

I'm afraid I don't understand your post.

This whole thread appears to consist of missed points. If I have to explain it, you''ll never understand.

My advice, if you are the only one that understands your point and EVERYONE else does not..... Well... Do you think the issue is with the rest of the world or is it possible you maybe didn't explain yourself all that well?

a reply to: mkultra11

Did they come to America to become Americans or did they come here to be themselves, to get away from what ever it was they wanted to leave behind, and become "American" almost by accident?

I think the latter is probably correct in most cases. Nothing wrong with that, either.

ETA: I know that was the case with some of my family that came over in the early 19th/late 18th centuries...from Ireland, mostly. They came over wanting to farm their own land, away from English overlords...they were Irish way before they were American. It was their children who became Americans. (odd, I typed that with an Irish brogue... )

originally posted by: intrepid
Is everyone missing the point? These "refugees" made our culture better. Are future ones going to be different?

Canadian here as well......maybe I'm missing it, or am obtuse, but other than some aspects of cuisine how have they enriched our culture ?

You have to talk about that cultural enrichment to the rape victims in Koln, the killing of social workers in Sweden, the raped children in public pools, and the multiple disorders in Callais. Not to mention, the religious muslims fanatics shoving their views on everyones throat, in public squares branding the raised fists against westerners, protected by freedom of speech and religion, not to mention how ISIS is pushing their own goals all along this. For refugees, they sure feel entitled! I mean, if you are escaping from war, destruction, then i'd assume any safe place would do it for you, but why are they pushing their way into nordic countries? because of the social benefits? or what? It's easy to jump on the happy wagon and say, Welcome Everyone!!! No! We are to blame about meddling in the Middle East, yes! but this goes much much deeper, its more than fear, it's caution above all, either there is some control on who is coming, or the moment you notice, you are completely overwhelmed. Check the numbers that are coming in, not just people from Syria, who are escaping war! its more than that.

Ps: Oh and, I forgot something else, the native population in some countries, is being left behind, over benefits and housing, governments are chanelling resources for refugees instead, how is that fair?


Ps 2: And should we force. lets say, fully integration programs for people? isnt that going to piss them off, the same way we did in the Middle East?


Ps 3: European economy is still in shambles, amazing, how it's not even been three years, since the countries that drowned in their own debt, and which are now coming out of it, have to deal with another crisis, another reason that worries people.

originally posted by: eluryh22

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Thetan
a reply to: UnBreakable

I'm afraid I don't understand your post.

This whole thread appears to consist of missed points. If I have to explain it, you''ll never understand.

My advice, if you are the only one that understands your point and EVERYONE else does not..... Well... Do you think the issue is with the rest of the world or is it possible you maybe didn't explain yourself all that well?

Apparently it must be me. I'll move on then from this thread.

a reply to: intrepid

Is interesting that America was build on immigration, but also on the dark side of take over and decimation of those that were here to begin with.

I have no problem with people wanting a better life, but is hard to feel sorry and welcome new immigrants into the country in modern times when we in this nation still have to deal with poverty, hunger and unemployment.

Let fix our human problems first in this country, before we can fix the rest of the world human problems adding more to our own, as a tax payer I can not stretch any more than I am stretched right now.

Migrating humans... the other absolute besides the weather changing. Been doing it since Adam ate that damning apple in Africa.

Never been a happy time for anyone and no barrier ever kept a human tide at bay; not mountains, not seas, not even oceans. Walls are just another temporary impediment.

Just saying.

a reply to: intrepid

I don't know any thoughtful or informed person who'd quibble with those points a great deal.

However, the evidence, imho, is fairly screamingly great that a virtual INVASION has been engineered by TPTB.

And, it's not 'merely' an invasion of the desperately needy seeking a better life.

It's significantly an invasion of a growing tide of folks who wish to totally exterminate Westerners and the Western way of life. To me, that's not arguable. The evidence is too abundant.

Now WHY the oligarchy has engineered such invasions across the Western landscape is a whole 'nother issue--one worth a lot of thought and research. But, to me, that it IS an ENGINEERED INVASION is beyond question.

OF COURSE, there are many disadvantaged included in the invasion. And why is it that the WEALTHY Arab states are NOT TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN CO-RELIGIONISTS in their own lands? There's something wrong with that picture. And it is not all sweetness and light.

a reply to: xuenchen

QUOTE: "Never could understand why the Arab refugees don't seem to be welcome in other Arab nations? " When you have many branches of a religion like islam you open up a pandora's box of problems. That said, most of the people are economic migrants and NOT refugees. Example, the UN yesterday sent back afgan's who did not quality for "refugee status" from lesbos greek island to turkey where they originally came from. (don't forget there is war in Afghanistan) We all want a good standard of life for our family, but not at the expense of the host nations or their citizens. Western nations are becoming tired of the demands of migrants, who want IMMEDIATLY what is not fully available. The last country these migrants want to go to is another muslim country, as these migrants want what the west has to offer, free housing, education, transportation, jobs, money etc without contributing very much back to society. Unfortunately they DON'T want to integrate into modern society,only stay in their ethnic areas, and take the "fruits" that are on offer. No, i am not a bigot, just sick and tired of the pressure these economic migrants are putting on the west and their resources.