The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

a reply to: Ruiner1978

You have not considered it because it has been thoroughly explained.

If you show someone a flat map of the earth and then ask them to draw it 10 minutes later 90% of the people will put South America directly below North America.

Again, what timezone in Rio in?

a reply to: Privy_Princess

I remember Chick-Fil-A because in Georgia we used to jokingly pronounce the K as well, Chic K Fil A. (So Chicafila is the sound that came out)

a reply to: Ruiner1978

No. As as been proven through science if you make a mistake, many, many people are also prone to make the same mistake. Why? Because the factors that caused you to make the mistake and misremember are also there for everyone else. The ME crowd has read ZERO of the published papers that have been provided and we end up going full circle when some noob comes along and thinks they have all kinds of new information.

a reply to: Ruiner1978

You do know a false memory is an ACTUAL memory right? More proof you haven't read any of the science behind this.

a reply to: Pearj

It is in Skunk because it's a foxing joke.

It's been covered to death and the site moderators no doubt read the scientific papers that thoroughly explain how this works.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Pearj

It is in Skunk because it's a foxing joke.

It's been covered to death and the site moderators no doubt read the scientific papers that thoroughly explain how this works.

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Of course that's BS.

There's official reports and scientific papers that state UFO's don't exist - if none of this stuff exists, what is ATS for?

Obvious break in logic.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Ruiner1978

You do know a false memory is an ACTUAL memory right? More proof you haven't read any of the science behind this.

Oh come now. You know exactly what I meant by that. Stop muddying the waters and let's finally put this thing to bed.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Ruiner1978

You have not considered it because it has been thoroughly explained.

If you show someone a flat map of the earth and then ask them to draw it 10 minutes later 90% of the people will put South America directly below North America.

Again, what timezone in Rio in?

No. As as been proven through science if you make a mistake, many, many people are also prone to make the same mistake. Why? Because the factors that caused you to make the mistake and misremember are also there for everyone else. The ME crowd has read ZERO of the published papers that have been provided and we end up going full circle when some noob comes along and thinks they have all kinds of new information.

You have not explained it. All you've done is said there are papers that prove people can remember things wrong, there are different map projections and that people make the same mistakes. Then claim that explains it.
It doesnt explain it.

Tell me now what is the specific reason that so many people are sure south America has moved.

You're lecturing me on the factors that cause people to make this mistake, but it seems you are clueless about what THE actual factor is, regurgitating things you've read thinking you have the answer and being condescending to anyone else that doesn't agree with your far from definitive explanation.

I don't know the timezone in Rio. But I do know it's inconsequential to realising why everyone remembers the exact same thing.

90% of people will draw it below North America?
Yes, but why, WHY?

This can be answered using just 5 words.


I'm retracting all my past speculation about this matter btw.
All i wanted was a satisfactory explaination. The reason i felt faulty memory was a poor explanation is because YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG

If you recognize me, I usually try to exhaust possibilities in which we know something about, before crossing into unknown territory. On the fringe of this, is something Freud eluded to, but at the time he wrote it, many thought it way to far out to even consider. He speculated that in certain circumstances, a thought, idea, visual presentation and/or even audio (the audio not being physical , but already decoded in the "message"), could be communicated between one or more brains, and under specific conditions, with specific people.

If he was correct, is it possible that a person may pick up something from another, that changes the way they think about something, or perhaps replace a memory? It is about as fringe as I can go, but at least there is some kind of scientific research behind it.

Psychoanalysts since Freud have largely neglected his important, paradigmatic ideas on the possibility of 'thought-transference' (telepathy) as an influence in mental life. A chance recording of two dreams which proved to coincide in some detail with distant reality events again suggests evidence in favour of the telepathy hypothesis. On interpretation, one of these dreams reveals even greater correspondence with the reality event and shows the mechanism of transformation of the repressed wish from latent dream content into manifest dream,

Source: U.S. National Library of Medicine

At the very least, it is facinating to read the theories.

a reply to: Ruiner1978

This post proves you have your head buried in the sand and why this is in Skunk Works. I didn't just say there are papers. I POSTED THEM.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Ruiner1978

This post proves you have your head buried in the sand and why this is in Skunk Works. I didn't just say there are papers. I POSTED THEM.

And they were not relevant to why people remember South America differently because it's not to do with a fault in memory.

What's the one factor that completely explains it?

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Ruiner1978

You have not considered it because it has been thoroughly explained.

Show me where you have explained it.
Where is your straight to the point reason that fully explains the south America issue that isn't some vague, flimsy mishmash of "infallible memory, flat map is distorted from globe, lack of education, excuse to never be wrong".

You don't know that one factor, those five simple words.
All you can do is harp on about papers, bad memory and science, science, science.

I'll give you a clue.
It's not about globe to flat map distortions, Cern, timelines, leading questions, avoiding being wrong, lack of education, physical changes, and most of all faulty memory.

a reply to: Ruiner1978

So if it's not any of those logical, scientifically proven answers. What is it? And why isn't it any of the answers that have been studied for hundreds of years?

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Ruiner1978

So if it's not any of those logical, scientifically proven answers. What is it? And why isn't it any of the answers that have been studied for hundreds of years?

Why on earth does it have to be something that's "logically, scientifically proven"?
Why are you convinced the answer is something that been studied for hundreds of years?

You're over intellictualising it.
The answer is so mundane and obvious it's embarrassing lol
It has to have been mentioned here. I've searched but haven't found it being said.

I wanna give raymundoko a chance first though...

a reply to: Ruiner1978
Why on earth does it have to be something that's "logically, scientifically proven"?
Why are you convinced the answer is something that been studied for hundreds of years?

Because it's the answer that has evidence for its claims. Unlike anything else that has been mentioned in here (CERN, HAARP, Timelines, etc)

You're over intellictualising it.

Instead of what? Over hyperboling it?

The answer is so mundane and obvious it's embarrassing lol

You mean like the simple and mundane answers like faulty memory, bad education and a whole list of other, simple, studied and explained answers?

It has to have been mentioned here. I've searched but haven't found it being said.

I wanna give raymundoko a chance first though...

How about you just cut to the chase?

originally posted by: TerryDon79

a reply to: Ruiner1978
Why on earth does it have to be something that's "logically, scientifically proven"?
Why are you convinced the answer is something that been studied for hundreds of years?

Because it's the answer that has evidence for its claims. Unlike anything else that has been mentioned in here (CERN, HAARP, Timelines, etc)

You're over intellictualising it.

Instead of what? Over hyperboling it?

The answer is so mundane and obvious it's embarrassing lol

You mean like the simple and mundane answers like faulty memory, bad education and a whole list of other, simple, studied and explained answers?

It has to have been mentioned here. I've searched but haven't found it being said.

I wanna give raymundoko a chance first though...

How about you just cut to the chase?

Yeah forget Cern, haarp, timelines, reality shifts, psy ops and all that.
Also forget faulty memory, bad education, not admitting you're wrong ect...
At least with the south America thing specifically. They are completely non applicable in this case.

I'll cut to the case.
This is a simple mistake, a confusion. NOT in memory, in fact it's almost the opposite.
I haven't been remembering wrong, I have in a way been remembering correctly.

I posted a while ago that I was fascinated with my older brother's globe when I was younger. How that globe looked was ingrained in my memory.
That globe had a tilt.
Most globe pics don't show the tilt so doesn't match up with my memory. With the tilt it suddenly doesn't look out of whack. South America directly below North.

The tilt of the earth.

I wasn't taking that into account.

a reply to: Ruiner1978

If it's the tilt, then that's already been said. It's the "globe to flat" explanation.

One side note. People think that the UK is supposed to look like it does in pictures. South England being "south" and Scotland directly "north". People forget that the UK is actually at an angle and not as represented on the weather or whatever website.

I guess you could put it under mis-representation.

If 1000 people saw Joe commit a crime that only left minor evidence to go on - would their testimony hold weight in court?

- No because millions of people didn't see it?

- No because Joe doesn't have a history of crime?

- No because Joe's friends don't remember him committing the crime?

- No because all witnesses have the same detailed memory; memory which is fallible?

..You are discounting what amounts to eyewitness testimony.

I own a globe. I see it's different now. Many of us do.

I know you're aware of your globe. Are you aware I remember my globe with as much detail as you remember your globe? Would you say that's valid?

You've given your stance, what else have you to prove? People talking about the changes won't stop.

a reply to: Pearj

And people explaining how it's the simple explanation, won't stop either.

Nothing has changed. The way it is now, is the way it was. You just remember it differently because your memory is fallible, just like everyone else on this planet.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Pearj

And people explaining how it's the simple explanation, won't stop either.

Nothing has changed. The way it is now, is the way it was. You just remember it differently because your memory is fallible, just like everyone else on this planet.

I wouldn't expect them to, but I wouldn't expect the same people to say the same thing over and over. Like you.

So then it's a fair statement your memory of your history is fallible? lol

I'm not going to argue with you about it - what we're saying fits within the definition of the Mandela Effect. You're saying there's no such thing.

We understand each other

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I remember South America being to the left of where it is now..

..on my tilted globe..

..and my 2d world map desktop wallpaper.