End all social welfare programs immediately

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
How about this. Give SIGNIFICANT and PROPORTIONAL tax breaks for companies and individuals who financially contribute to organizations which help the needy.

Charities should be responsible for welfare, so let them handle it.

They already do, in fact they're more than proportional. Microsoft sends a non profit a CD with a corporate key for Windows 7 or Windows 10. The key+cd+mailing cost the company about $2. In exchange they get about $50,000 worth of tax breaks. They do this to every single school in the country as well as many others.

Charity is the biggest tax break there is for companies. They donate the cost to produce an item but get to deduct the retail value of that item.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Ah. Ok good to know..

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Then you haven't really paid much attention to his posting history.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I get the you probably cant work hard labor, but does that mean you cant work at all?

Cant go to school and learn a new trade? Something?

I am 55 years old, and have a boatload of computer hours, I work 30 - 35 hours a week, care for mother, cared for my grandfather until he died. I was a master automotive machinist, and made good coin, replace that with c-store wages?

a reply to: Swills

Adoption or care from another family member would be the best option. Every child has a "parent" .... what that "parent" chooses for their child is up to them.

I am aware of a large number of people who have adopted "special needs children".

I, myself, spend every day creating art to donate to charities for fundraising..... every day. My husband works full time as a heavy equipment mechanic, even after 4 heart attacks and breaking all the ribs on one side (from a fall ,trying to help his elderly mother with a roof problem when the extension ladder broke) . He was not supposed to survive any of those events... but did . He "funds" the art/charity work... we live paycheck to paycheck like most.

I was in an auto accident while he was in ICU from the fall... an illegal alien with no DL, tags or insurance totalled the pickup I was in while I was on the way to the hospital to care for him. I couldn`t take the time to go to the ER or have my injured back dealt with... I had to be with my husband. I am in agony every minute of every day, but I still do my "labor of love" for the charities.

All that may be off topic, but I think you see me as an uncaring individual... which I am not. I do, however, believe in personal responsibility. There will always be cases that cannot be helped with a normal "family" route, but those would be few if responsibility was taken seriously by parents/family.

originally posted by: dragonlover12
a reply to: Swills

Parents are responsible for the care of their children. They have to provide it. They assumed that responsibility when they decided to have the child, just like I did when I chose to have mine.

Are your children developmentally disabled or medically fragile? I'm curious.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

And again, some of the things being talked about here are about how programs are supposed to be to help those who absolutely cannot.

But if you can sit and work a desk, then you can do something which is the point being made the poster being talked to.

You lost most of the use of your right arm. That's something it takes time to get past, but the system being talked about would help you while you did that because you would have a verifiable need.

But what about my brother-in-law's brother who draws disability for a lost toe? Do you think he is maybe even more disabled than you as in completely incapable of working than you because he is missing a toe where you are missing full function of what was likely your dominant arm?

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I get the you probably cant work hard labor, but does that mean you cant work at all?

Cant go to school and learn a new trade? Something?

I am 55 years old, and have a boatload of computer hours, I work 30 - 35 hours a week, care for mother, cared for my grandfather until he died. I was a master automotive machinist, and made good coin, replace that with c-store wages?

Well then I wasn't even directing my comment to people like you. I don't mind hard workers getting help, its not your fault the system is screwed up. Im talking about people who CAN work but WILL NOT.

Anyways, I did edit my comment, if you want to go back and read.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

gee, maybe you would prefer I spend your tax money going back to school, gee, probably could do that till retirement age!! I am not that far away! so you are sitting there griping about a few years of early retirement, because why?? it's social security, I put into that fund, my husband put into that fund, my father put into that fund, my mother put into that fund, two of those got nothing back from it, and my mom maybe a couple of months!
I don't see anyone hiring me in my present state of health.
maybe, if given enough time, and if I am allowed to get myself in a more comfortable place, I might get bold and volunteer somewhere, maybe after a few years of volunteer work, someone might take me seriously and hire me in an office.
but, to put it bluntly, spending taxmoney on me for training is a waste of taxpayer's money, considering the amount of time I would be in the work force. that money would be better spent on the younger generation.
and, considering how hard it is to find work, maybe it's better for those younger ones to get the jobs.

personally, I doubt if I will be alive when they start cutting crap anyways.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe
The ignorance is large in this thread. I would agree that corporate welfare needs to end, I would agree that fraud and corruption should end, but no one wants to address that. All of the problems this country faces are the fault of the poor, Koch brothers have got their message out.

All welfare is corporate welfare. Lets take the most visible example, food stamps. If people didn't have food stamps, they would purchase less food. That in turn means lower profits for the food industry, which decreases production, reducing the nations ability to feed itself, and reducing the number of farmers which also reduces our maximum output in a time of need.

As long as the welfare is being spent somewhere (and it all is), it's ultimately corporate welfare.

a reply to: AboveBoard

All four of my children were high risk pregnancies... I have had more than a dozen miscarriages. They were all "hyperactive" even in utero. My Youngest was born at 4lbs 6 oz., 6 weeks early. All have had problems with hyperactivity ( but I wouldn`t do meds) and all classified as "gifted". They all had problems with vaccines (extreme reactions), but in the late 70`s and mid 80`s
the state mandated the vacs, no exceptions.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BubbaJoe

And again, some of the things being talked about here are about how programs are supposed to be to help those who absolutely cannot.

But if you can sit and work a desk, then you can do something which is the point being made the poster being talked to.

You lost most of the use of your right arm. That's something it takes time to get past, but the system being talked about would help you while you did that because you would have a verifiable need.

But what about my brother-in-law's brother who draws disability for a lost toe? Do you think he is maybe even more disabled than you as in completely incapable of working than you because he is missing a toe where you are missing full function of what was likely your dominant arm?

Yes my dominant arm, and I am whole heartedly agreeing that the system is flawed. But the knee jerk reaction is to cut it off, instead of fixing it. We are the richest country in the world, and the idea that some want to see people starving in the street, makes me ill.

a reply to: dawnstar

Ok, have it your way. Me and the rest of my generation will bare your burden, even if there won't be anything left for us. I don't expect you to fix the system, but you could be decent enough to do you're part.

This time no apology and no sympathy. Enjoy your retirement.

a reply to: dawnstar

I'm sorry you are in pain like that. NO ONE has the right to tell you, so callously, that you don't know the condition of your own body. No one has the right to shame you that way and grumble "get a job!"

You don't need to justify anything to anyone here. The Social Security folks make you do plenty of that on behalf of the American people. As an American citizen you paid into the system so that YOU COULD BE CARED FOR WHEN YOU NEEDED IT due to disability - or - when you reached the age of retirement. That's the whole freaking point.

(I was told that my son could get SSI benefits while he lived at home and then after doing a mountain of paperwork was told that he didn't qualify while living at home...good times!) For those who think its easy to get disability, it ain't. There is a freaking mountain of paperwork and doctor sign-offs, etc.

Let those who are bitter over your meager income remain so - know they simply do not understand, that they have not been given circumstances that allowed them to understand.


- AB

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: BubbaJoe
The ignorance is large in this thread. I would agree that corporate welfare needs to end, I would agree that fraud and corruption should end, but no one wants to address that. All of the problems this country faces are the fault of the poor, Koch brothers have got their message out.

All welfare is corporate welfare. Lets take the most visible example, food stamps. If people didn't have food stamps, they would purchase less food. That in turn means lower profits for the food industry, which decreases production, reducing the nations ability to feed itself, and reducing the number of farmers which also reduces our maximum output in a time of need.

As long as the welfare is being spent somewhere (and it all is), it's ultimately corporate welfare.

I will not disagree with this, I think the largest food stamp processor in the country is Walmart, and yet their employees need food stamps to survive. Is the system screwed, yes, is cutting all benefits the answer no. We need to logically fix the problem, not give in to knee jerk reactions, and assume all are committing fraud.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: dawnstar

Ok, have it your way. Me and the rest of my generation will bare your burden, even if there won't be anything left for us. I don't expect you to fix the system, but you could be decent enough to do you're part.

This time no apology and no sympathy. Enjoy your retirement.

Even worse for us. You sound like you're young enough to recover from the complete collapse of the system and have a chance to have a retirement set aside.

I'm old enough to be in that in-between age. Too close to retirement to set a new course, but too young to be able to count on having any of those social programs everything is designed around us having.

And when the collapse comes ... odds are it will take out what other assets we have set aside. Do you really think a starving government will be able to leave the trillions set aside in 401(k) and other such retirement accounts under private control? I'll bet it confiscates those "for our own good" and we get left with nothing.

a reply to: dragonlover12

You have had your hands full!

My son has severe autism and will never be able to care for himself. He is non-verbal, has numerous challenging behaviors and needs a special diet on top. My other son had to have three open heart surgeries due to a congenital defect. Needless to say, we didn't think we should try to have any more kids. I had to stop working this year to deal with family complications. Thank goodness my husband is making enough. We get services for my eldest, and honestly, if we didn't, he would have to live somewhere else, as it is far more than we can manage. I wish I could explain that to people, but without a personal frame of reference (all kids are challenging and many, like yours, have issues that make it more so) people simply don't get it.

I wish you the best with your family!

- AB

a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah, I just might be able to recover if I can find another country that hasn't been destroyed by socialism. I would have to learn a new language, start from the bottom, and maybe be able to save enough to retire again. I've seen others do, it, but its not right that people just give up like that. I cant respect it.

a reply to: ketsuko

How old would that be? About. I don't have a "comment" in response, I'm just trying to figure things out.

a reply to: AboveBoard

And I wish you all the best with your family as well.

Most of us do the best we can do, and that is who we are.

My best friend has a son with autism, and he turns 18 soon (she`s in NJ). She was told that he will be eligible for SSI ( I think that was it) at 18, even though he`s still at home with his family. You may need to push the issue (while the SS system is still around).

Best of luck, and best wishes!