“Magicians” Prove A Spiritual World Exists

originally posted by: Bedlam
a reply to: QuinnP

You can't even prove that demons exist whatsoever. Much less that some magician has somehow convinced a fallen angel to help with card tricks.

However, we DO know that stage magicians use sleight of hand to perform 'magic'. Thus, everything your supposed demon-user does can and has been done by other magicians who admit how it is done.

I suggest you read about patter and showmanship, it's a lot more real than a 'demon'.

Actually it was the other way around. Mike Super never convinced anyone. It was the demon who got in contact with him. In fact he said that it would write its name over and over on a chalkboard until finally he recognized the spirit.

Pay very close attention to what he says:

originally posted by: QuinnP

So far you haven't shown me any evidence...

Nor have you. If you think David Copperfield actually made the statue of liberty vanish because you saw it on TV, you might want to rethink what you consider proof. Even if he says he used a demon to do it.

originally posted by: QuinnP

Actually it was the other way around. Mike Super never convinced anyone. It was the demon who got in contact with him. In fact he said that it would write its name over and over on a chalkboard until finally he recognized the spirit.

And the context in which he is telling you this is:

1) something provable in a known setting with controlled variables such as a proper lab

OR

2) an entertainment show in which he is using this as patter for his magic trick

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: QuinnP

Actually it was the other way around. Mike Super never convinced anyone. It was the demon who got in contact with him. In fact he said that it would write its name over and over on a chalkboard until finally he recognized the spirit.

And the context in which he is telling you this is:

1) something provable in a known setting with controlled variables such as a proper lab

OR

2) an entertainment show in which he is using this as patter for his magic trick

Neither of these are proof he was lying. You only think it is so. But if you do not have proof you are slandering him. What type of person does that make you?

originally posted by: QuinnP

Neither of these are proof he was lying. You only think it is so. But if you do not have proof you are slandering him. What type of person does that make you?

What is the context? Say it, quinn. He's a magician. He's on an entertainment show. The idea is to be "mystic" for entertainment purposes. Does this not clue you in that what he is doing is for ENTERTAINMENT and that it's dressed up to be ENTERTAINING.

Do you think pro wrestling is real? Seriously...I'm asking. Because it's sort of similar in form.

a reply to: Bedlam




Actually this is the video I was looking for previous. It has him explain how he came into contact with Desment. As you can see, like you claimed, he did not convince this spirit to perform for him. He was way to young to even understand it.

This should also convince others that your assumption about him "convincing a spirit" is so wrong, most of the rest of your assumptions grabbed out of thin air are also wrong.


ETA:

Look at minute 3:48 and be keen to see the spirit orb that appears on camera above them.

originally posted by: QuinnP
Actually this is the video I was looking for previous. It has him explain how he came into contact with Desment. As you can see, like you claimed, he did not convince this spirit to perform for him. He was way to young to even understand it.

This should also convince others that your assumption about him "convincing a spirit" is so wrong, most of the rest of your assumptions grabbed out of thin air are also wrong.

And once more, the context of this is...[can you fill in the blank, quinn?]

Why should these videos of a stage magician be convincing to ANYONE that the guy is not a stage magician? What he's telling you is the patter, man. It's to entertain and set the marks up for suspension of disbelief.

a reply to: QuinnP

Actually it was the other way around. Mike Super never convinced anyone. It was the demon who got in contact with him. In fact he said that it would write its name over and over on a chalkboard until finally he recognized the spirit.

How do you know that a demon got in contact with him?

The performer told you.

How do you know it would write its name repeatedly on a chalk board?

Because the performer said so.

Again, the thesis for your argument is I don't know therefor demons.

What we are trying to tell you is that specific details like these which are revealed to the audience by the performer are all part of the act.

The bottom line is, just because someone tells you it is demons doesn't mean it is demons. And it most likely means that they also know that it is not demons.

Capiché ?

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Actually, I was just watching this video again, and as in others I did see the "orb" or demon spirit of Desment. Like at 3:48 on the last video posted. There are other videos where I have noticed this spirit orb on stage live with him, but I never wrote down which they were. But here you go some very good proof for you. Along with his own testimony.

a reply to: QuinnP

Hey QuinnP... It's Meee Pinocchio.
Good To See You Ol'Pal... How've You Been...???

The Problem With The Spiritual Realm Is That It Does Not League Up With Magicians To Appear Tricksy... Although Those Are Some Pretty Neat Tricks.

Instead... Just Don't Look.

originally posted by: Pinocchio
a reply to: QuinnP

Hey QuinnP... It's Meee Pinocchio.
Good To See You Ol'Pal... How've You Been...???

The Problem With The Spiritual Realm Is That It Does Not League Up With Magicians To Appear Tricksy... Although Those Are Some Pretty Neat Tricks.

Instead... Just Don't Look.

Hey buddy.

Check out this video. Be keen at observing around minute 3:48 you will actually see the spirit orb appear above them.

Mike Super said in his first apperance on Amercia's Got Talent that the spirit orb does appear during his performances:

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originally posted by: QuinnP
Check out this video. Be keen at observing around minute 3:48 you will actually see the spirit orb appear above them.

The stagelights? Hardly 'spirit orbs'

a reply to: QuinnP

You're f*cking with us right?

You don't actually believe in something just because you saw it on a REALITY TV show do you?

You got me good man. Had me going there for a sec, really!

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: QuinnP

You're f*cking with us right?

You don't actually believe in something just because you saw it on a REALITY TV show do you?

You got me good man. Had me going there for a sec, really!

Oh no, man. Not at all. This is video footage I can share with you.

When I was a child I had hundreds of encounters with spirit beings. Harassment mostly. I know they are all too real.

There is a lot more footage I can show you about demons and their existence just from YouTube. There are hundreds of millions of people who have to deal with them all the time as well.



This demon possessed person pierces himself through the jaw with no effect.



There is so much evidence man.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: QuinnP
Check out this video. Be keen at observing around minute 3:48 you will actually see the spirit orb appear above them.

The stagelights? Hardly 'spirit orbs'

Pick a video on camera with stage lights and show me an orb like that. I'll wait and never expect you to answer back.

a reply to: QuinnP

There is so much evidence man.

Well since you're sharing videos with us how about you share us a video of one of these hundreds of spirit beings you saw when you were a child.

If there is no way to physically observe these demons, then how do we know they exist?

If you want spirit beings & demons to be validated by science then you need to approach them with the scientific method.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: QuinnP

There is so much evidence man.

Well since you're sharing videos with us how about you share us a video of one of these hundreds of spirit beings you saw when you were a child.

If there is no way to physically observe these demons, then how do we know they exist?

If you want spirit beings & demons to be validated by science then you need to approach them with the scientific method.

I didn't have a video camera when I was a child. But I do have witnesses. And there are many others who have. And I have footage here I have shared with you, that you obviously ignored.

There is scientific proof of their existence. Dating back over a century. I have read the reports and have them somewhere. You are so so so so so so ignorant. Anyway just look at the videos I've got here. I have a lot more as well I know of.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
If you want spirit beings & demons to be validated by science then you need to approach them with the scientific method.

Take a photograph of one that has shapeshifted into a rock. For me when i constructed this stack of stones, i could see all of the rocks. However, one of the rocks, was not a real rock.



However, no one believes it because they have ego problems. Daemons can see one another. Humans cannot see them when they are cloaked via a state of higher frequency that exists beyond the violet part of the visible spectrum.

I was really hoping for someone to ask me for more evidence.

They Weren't Demons... Of That I Am Sure. But... Demonic Enough To Give Me The Ultimate Shock Of My Life. I Saw Two Of Them. It Was Heartbreaking In Retrospect.
They Were In Single File... One Leading The Other. The First One Was In Such A Fear Of Taking A Simple Step Forward. And The Second... So Affraid To Be Left Behind... He Clung To The First One. I Have Never The Likes In All My Life. As I Saw It... My Heart Dropped... And Started To Thump... Hard. That's When The Second One Let Go Of The First One And Crouched To Get A Better Look At Me. That Scared The Bejesus Out Of Me Even More. They, It Seems, Live Amongst Us.... But Can Not Be Seen. The Instant You Do See Them... They Go Into Shock Just As Much As Us. Vibrations, I Learned, Will Alert Them. My Heart Thumping Was what Gave Me Away. If I Describe What They Look Like... You May Be Able To Find Peace In The Idea That They Are Not Very Different From Us. However... They Are Strange.
Two Legs... Like Humans... But No Feet. Two Arms Like Humans... But No Hands. A Torso... Without Features Like Chest And Stomach. A Head... With No Eyes... No Ears... No Hair... No Nose... No Mouth... No Cheeks... Get The Point???
Their Make Is Not Flesh... A Rather Pinkish Glow... Only Without The Glow. Energy. Pure Energy.
A Pure Energy Humanoid Being. More Scared In That Plane Than Us In Ours.
In That Short Moment... I Learned They Can See Too. And That They Share The Emotion Of Fear. And Even The Emotion Of Surprise. But... They Live! That Is The Truth.

I Would Hope To Be Believed... But... I Would Also Hope To Be Ignored.

If You Should Ever See Them... You Should Try Not To Scare Them.