Some questions for the followers of Islam

Dear islamic followers, be they Shi'aa, Sunni, Wahhabi or the thousand other possible permutations that exist within the religion.

In the same way that Christianity has many denominations, Islam also seems to have many denominations.

I am an atheist, I have no interest in religion as a doctrine but I am fascinated by religion historically.

My main topics of interest are ancient (pre-christian and pre-colombine) history.

That out of the way, this thread is clearly related to something else.

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I live in Europe, western Europe and England to be precise.

I love European culture, I love the pasta and the wine, the sun in some places, and the snow in others. I love the fact that there is so much history here, it is not only a part of us in the past, we actually make history, every single day in all the media. Art, science, research in all possible ways.

I have a series of questions to ask to all Muslims, if they would be so kind as to answer that would be excellent.

Question 1: Will I be afforded the same graces/permissions Muslims are now afforded within Europe in a hypothetical Islamic nation?

Question 2:Will I be able to ignore the church if I want to?

Question 3: Will I be able to drink alcohol if I want to? I like getting drunk, what can I say?

Question 4: Will I be able to have sex with someone who isn't my legal partner (taking legal for any definition enforced by the state) ?

Question 5: Will I be able to be a house husband, in other words, will I be allowed to accept that my wife is simply better than me at something, and can therefore earn more money than me, enough to support my family?

I live in the UK, so before anybody says "Islam isn't expanding, you are a racist, this is bullnip etc" Islam is in fact expanding and actively so.

If anybody else has any other questions, add them.

a reply to: Jonjonj

I would not worry to much England will not become a Muslim majority country within the next 1000 Years ( Currently under 5% ) if any of our lands last that long ? and I am sure you realise most of your questions are not allowed in say for instance Pakistan if you decide to reside or retire to that or another majority Muslim Country..

www.muslimpopulation.com...

a reply to: skywatcher44

I beg to differ, Islam is the religion with the highest rate of expansion, according to the generally perceived knowledge the world possesses.

I understand that my questions may be problematic for Islamic followers, that is why I asked them. There have been none so far but we can wait.

The answers are right in front of you.

Go read about how atheists or Christians or essentially, non-believers are treated in Islamic and largely Sharia run countries.

And we all know the answers. Any combination of imprisoned, public lashings, thrown off buildings, raped, murdered, beheaded, drowned, stoned, etc.

originally posted by: Jonjonj

If anybody else has any other questions, add them.

Question 6: Do you only ask questions you already know the answer to?

a reply to: Jonjonj

I'm not islamic but I did study the expansion of the Islamic state for years, for fun.

The answer to all of those is a resounding no.

Regardless of media interpretation of the religion they believe there is no greater thing than the will of Allah. Understandably Christianity went through it's own phase of misinterpretation of the bible... however, do not forget that true believers of Islam are still running rampant and believe the entire world should convert. Being former christian, I can attest to the hypocrisy of the situation, however when is the last time you saw Christians decapitating enemies on live television? Anyone can hide behind the guise of religion, only a fool thinks that they can convince the masses that they are not all the same.

a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

I understand where you are coming from, however the goal here was not to compare religions.

Your opinion that the answer is a resounding no is valid.

It seems clear that nobody wants to opine at the moment, could it be because it is Friday night?

a reply to: Jonjonj

Potentially. I am in a bantering mood. Could be the wine, also.

a reply to: NthOther

Do you feel the questions are irrelevant? I am sorry but I can not even see your avatar, never mind your opinion.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
The answers are right in front of you.

Go read about how atheists or Christians or essentially, non-believers are treated in Islamic and largely Sharia run countries.

And we all know the answers. Any combination of imprisoned, public lashings, thrown off buildings, raped, murdered, beheaded, drowned, stoned, etc.

I really was hoping for answers to the specific questions from the many Muslims that participate on these boards.

Ah well...

a reply to: skywatcher44

Actually in Pakistan if you are non Muslim you are able to have a liquor permit allowing 100 bottles of beer or 5 bottles or liquor per month. Also there is no law is Pakistan making hijab mandatory and many women in Pakistan don't wear hijab.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: skywatcher44

Actually in Pakistan if you are non Muslim you are able to have a liquor permit allowing 100 bottles of beer or 5 bottles or liquor per month. Also there is no law is Pakistan making hijab mandatory and many women in Pakistan don't wear hijab.

Thank you. So then, in Pakistan I am allowed 5 bottles of liquor a month and 100 bottles of beer.

But if I want more I can not have it, is that correct? Could I complain and perhaps change that rule?

a reply to: Jonjonj

Probably not but its not the sharia hellhole some people claim it to be. There are some areas that are pretty damned strict. Others not so much.

a reply to: Joecanada11

My respects but that is hardly the point, is it?

a reply to: Jonjonj

The point is I don't think you have to worry about Britain becoming an Islamic state. And if it does you will still probably be able to drink. I'm no expert though I'm suprised none of the Muslim members haven't responded Yet.

a reply to: Joecanada11

Don't feel "surprised". He just asked me the same questions in this thread (HERE), then refused to address my answers. I'm particularly surprised that he didn't at least speak on my answer about the "dry" counties in America.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Apparently 4.5% accounts for a soon to be take over of the country.

For about 8 years my next door neighbour was the Imam at the neighbourhood mosque. They were probably some of the greatest neighbours I have ever had. I was living with my grandmother at the time and they would bring over food at least once a week.

Personally I'm loving the immigration in my province. The Muslim restaurants in my city are incredible. Wonderful food and great atmosphere and good people.

a reply to: Joecanada11

Oh that's great. I love immigration and traveling as they can quickly destroy stereotypes. And in my experiences, food, conversations, music, and dancing are some of the quickest ways to do that.

As for the OP, I still haven't seen a response to my answers yet. I'm not even sure why a new thread was necessary.

Historically Islam was always the most tolerant of the three big religions, (Christianity/Judaism/Islam).

When moslems controlled the Holy Land, the Jews were by and large protected from the depredations of the blood-thirsty Christians. And all three forms of worship were tolerated.


So the crux of OP's questions, assuming they weren't just an excuse to create yet another Islam-bashing thread on ATS, is if this imagined Islamic Nation/Caliphate is established under extremist Wahabbi rule, or moderate Islam rule. To which, obviously, an extremist Wahabbi Caliphate will be a pretty hostile place for pretty much everybody.

Whereas a moderate Islamic state would be somewhere like Egypt before the troubles, or Turkey, where yes, a Westerner could pretty much do every single one of the things you ask about.

a reply to: Painterz

Exactly. I think people forget that the vast majority of victims of Wahhabi terrorism are other Muslims. They even blow up mosques and proudly claim they must "purge the corruptions from Islam" before they can focus on anyone else. Of course, the "corruptions" they speak of encompass every other denomination of Islam and every interpretation, ruling, and cultural practice they don't accept.