FYI: In the US alone, the vaccine "court" has paid over $3.3 BILLION to victims of vaccines.

a reply to: riley

At what point are people allowed to say no?

You can say no right now. And accept the consequences, just as you accept the consequences for doing (or not doing) anything.

One of which may be not accepted for enrollment in school. Or, in some cases, not being allowed to remain employed.

Consequences like not having my children suffer from auto immune disorders and neurological problems?

If they're not allowed in school so be it. What is the point of educating someone if they have to accept being medically sabotaged for that greater good?

Sorry but that doesn't sound like a great deal to me. It also doesn't sound very democratic.

a reply to: riley

Consequences like not having my children suffer from auto immune disorders and neurological problems?

I guess. So, no vaccinations means no autoimmune or neurological disorders?

What is the point of educating someone if they have to accept being medically sabotaged for that greater good?

"Medically sabotaged" would be your opinion, nothing more. It is your choice.

Sorry but that doesn't sound like a great deal to me. It also doesn't sound very democratic.

News flash, the US is not a democracy. Never was.

Despite popular opinion the US is not the only country on the planet yet it seems to be making policies for the world. Medical fascism is not something people should be proud to embrace.

I don't care if it is promoted as "for the greater good". That is merely a sales pitch.

a reply to: riley

What I want to get to the bottom of is this: How do you cure the "autoimmune" diseases caused by mycoplasma infection? If you know about the military mycoplasma experiments....

There has to be a way to get rid of Type 1 diabetes, Cancer, MS, Arthritis, Chron's Disease, and every other mycoplasma induced illness.

We have to remember one thing: These mycoplasma experiments were performed IN ORDER to make diseases that could be "managed" with an injection or a pill, with other deadly side-effects! There has to be a way, and I've been looking my whole life. If someone knows it, please share it.

Otherwise, the way the big-pharma is going to owe me is that they SHOULD BE FORCED to buy me a cure from Seronva.com when it's ready and approved by the FDA (THE FDA HAD BETTER LET THIS BE APPROVED!!!!). That is, bio-compatible xenotranspanted pig islets that will produce insulin for diabetics of both type 1 and type 2. The cells are isolated and are protected from attack by the so-called rogue T-cells in the immune system, which should allow the implanted cells to live up to 7 years (hopefully longer) before needing replacement.

A lot of people on ATS say that's gross or whatever. I would GLADLY take cells from a donor animal to live without diabetes!!!!!!! Or a way to remove the illness that was caused by mycoplasma and heavy-metals. People curing themselves at home is the kind of revolution I NEED TO SEE. Imagine how powerful your country would be if there was the least amount of disease in the world? It's only logical.

a reply to: InFriNiTee

Indeed I had been researching chelation out of curiosity when I came aross this this and suddenly a puzzle made sense.

a reply to: riley

I wish I could find a place in my state to get IV chelation. I believe that might eventually do the trick. I know an osteopath who might do it......Have to look into that.

Seems like a lot of money being that they deny ninety five percent of the people from collecting. One person out of twenty actually gets to collect a cent.

a reply to: rickymouse

So, you think that every claim is valid?

a reply to: tothetenthpower


Underreported all right, especially if you have a dose and then die. If its a couple of weeks after I bet that doesn't find its way into the statistics.

a reply to: tothetenthpower


Underreported all right, especially if you have a dose and then die. If its a couple of weeks after I bet that doesn't find its way into the statistics.

a reply to: anonentity

Underreported all right, especially if you have a dose and then die. If its a couple of weeks after I bet that doesn't find its way into the statistics.

Have you even looked at the database?

The thing is, just because someone dies after being vaccinated it doesn't mean the vaccination caused the death. Sometimes the phone rings when I step into the shower. Does that mean that stepping into the shower made the phone ring?


vaers.hhs.gov...

a reply to: Agartha

1 in a million...About the same chance as being struck by lightning.

Scary stuff.

Thanks to the OP for showing why anti-vaxxers haven't got a clue.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

The AIDS analogy is kind of meh, if they know they have a disease and are consciously trying to spread it…

But if youre vaccinated, why worry about those who aren't? Youre fully protected, unless you feel as though vaccines dont work.

Taking into account the recent whooping cough outbreaks, youd be right. The majority of those affected had been fully vaccinated. The ineffectiveness of the vaccine was so glaring, the CDC was forced to defend the unvaccinated (the usual scapegoats):

"Even though children who haven't received DTaP vaccines are at least 8 times more likely to get pertussis than children who received all 5 recommended doses of DTaP, they are not the driving force behind the large scale outbreaks or epidemics".

With regards to vaccines, apparently correlation does prove causation. We’re provided with charts which show a decline in communicable diseases cross referenced with mass vaccinations.

However, these diseases were already on the decline due to advances in medical science and sterilization/sanitation. The following data is derived from The Vital Statistics of the United States:


The last known cases of polio in the US were actually caused by the vaccine. Again, from the CDC:

From 1980 through 1999, there were 162 confirmed cases of paralytic polio cases reported. Of the 162 cases, eight cases were acquired outside the United States and imported. The last imported case caused by wild poliovirus into the United States was reported in 1993. The remaining 154 cases were vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) caused by live oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV).

So what did we do? We sent them overseas.

In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP ("non-polio acute flaccid paralysis"). Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received.

Two children in Ukraine have been paralysed after contracting polio in the first case of the disease in Europe since 2010. The two cases are vaccine-derived polio.

a reply to: gladtobehere

AIDS is a NCD

False. The HIV virus which causes AIDS is communicable.

But if youre vaccinated, why worry about those who are not? Youre fully protected, unless you feel as though vaccines dont work.

Because no vaccine is 100% effective. Because there are some who cannot be vaccinated due to allergies. Because when more people are vaccinated it means that it reduces the chances that others will be infected.

Taking into account the recent whooping cough outbreaks, youd be right. The majority of those affected had been fully vaccinated.

Yes. The older vaccine was more effective in the longer term.

With regards to vaccines, apparently correlation does prove causation.

With vaccines, it is not just a matter of correlation. There is also the mechanism, immunity.

a reply to: Phage

originally posted by: Phage
False. The HIV virus which causes AIDS is communicable.

My bad yo.

originally posted by: Phage
Because when more people are vaccinated it means that it reduces the chances that others will be infected.

I'll take natural herd immunity over alleged "vaccine induced" herd immunity for $100.

originally posted by: Phage
Yes. The older vaccine was more effective in the longer term.

Correct. Actually contributing to the spread and mutation of the disease.

DANGEROUS new strains of whooping cough bacteria are evading Australia's vaccine against the disease and entrenching a four-year epidemic that could spread overseas...

Live virus used in polio vaccine can evolve and infect, warns TAU researcher.

Despite this vaccine being hugely effective against B. pertussis, which was once the primary childhood killer, these data suggest that the vaccine may be contributing to the observed rise in whooping cough incidence over the last decade.

a reply to: gladtobehere

I'll take natural herd immunity over alleged "vaccine induced" herd immunity for $100.

What's the difference? Except that vaccines don't cause many people to get sick while the natural version causes everyone exposed to.

Correct. Actually contributing to the spread and mutation of the disease.

Virii mutate. All "living" things do. As far as "spreading" goes, that has more to do with the ease of global transportation than anything else.

BTW, your source:

Highlighting the extreme consideration that should be exercised in future vaccine development, this work supports the use of vaccines that also target B. parapertussis as a potentially more efficient way to battle whooping cough.

www.huck.psu.edu...

originally posted by: gladtobehere
The ineffectiveness of the vaccine was so glaring, the CDC was forced to defend the unvaccinated (the usual scapegoats)

LOL that’s from their FAQ page, they are all common questions people ask, they were never forced to defend anybody. However, you conveniently forgot to post this (from your link):

However, their parents are putting them [unvaccinated kids] at greater risk of getting a serious pertussis infection and then possibly spreading it to other family or community members.
DTaP vaccines are 80-90% effective. Among kids who get all 5 doses of DTaP on schedule, effectiveness is very high within the year following the 5th dose – at least 9 out of 10 kids are fully protected.

You also posted a graph and said:

However, these diseases were already on the decline due to advances in medical science and sterilization/sanitation. The following data is derived from The Vital Statistics of the United States

Please post a link to the 'Vital statistics of the US' because I can only see that graph in antivaxx sites, not government.

But if what you say is correct, how do you explain India, for example? Aproximately 55% of India's 1.25 billion residents still don't have access to toilets and defecate in rivers and the street. Their lack of adequate sanitation is a big problem and yet Polio has been eradicated (LINK 1) (LINK2)

In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP ("non-polio acute flaccid paralysis"). Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received.

Those figures don't make sense. Aproximately 27 million children are born in India each year and immunization rates are around 95%. If the vaccines were to blame for the NPAFP we would see millions of cases.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: Agartha

1 in a million...About the same chance as being struck by lightning.

Actually even less than that: 0.7 in a million!!
But luckily there is a 'secret' program to pay compensation to the victims.....
/sarcasm

originally posted by: GetHyped
If there was some big scary coverup, there wouldn't be a frickin' compensation scheme for the public. They wouldn't be paying out $3 BILLION and advertising it on their website!

A cover up with their 'secret' figures posted on the internet where the whole world can see it..... the CDC is not what it used to be.
LOL

a reply to: gladtobehere

Oh dear, someone's either being ignorant or willfully deceptive. Let's compare some example INCIDENCE rates:





sad trombone

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: rickymouse

So, you think that every claim is valid?

Hell no. But I am sure some of those refused were valid. Maybe five to ten percent. If you don't understand the possible risks from taking a flu shot, you should not be taking one. A couple of people in a hundred can have serious reactions for multiple reasons. Most just blow over and you don't ever take a shot again if you aren't blind.

I had serious reactions from a couple of flu shots, the second one verified by my doctor. I was extremely sick for around ten days but I would never try filing a claim unless the government forced me to take another flu shot and I got sick again. There is no way in hell that I will take a flu shot based on the vaccines they have today. Maybe if they reengineer them to work on the innate system I will give them a try. But my innate system is what is causing my intolerance to the vaccine and protecting me from the flu presently, maybe when I am a hundred years old I might need a shot.