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a reply to: ipsedixit


Well your take on Trump is fairly plain....LOL.


I follow the views of a San Diego radio personality, don't recall his name, that had an in-depth with Trump, one on one, and did a fair amount of research on the man rather than the usual MSM mechanism.


He stated Trump was first a promoter and second a negotiator. His initial campaign-without an advisor- was to capture the MSM and social media and therefore achieve what so many others failed to do. That failure is exposure. Paul, Carson the list isn't that long but you get the idea.


Obviously he achieved that. The negotiator side follows/overlaps. Re: your wall example and his international gambits....bomb the crap out of them, tariffs and subsidies, etc. are OPENING negotiation positions. One takes the highest position and when you get their attention, earnest negotiations can begin. One lowers the demands as the process continues. One doesn't build a wall if the other side, for example, agrees to joint blocking of south and central American transitions are blocked at the southern Mexican border.


Like-wise China. The goal being level the playing field and cease the continuous job loss. Tariffs and subsidies being the leverage.....


Internally, getting both the right and left to have more common ground is absolutely mandatory for this nation. It was true in the day and needs to be again, IMO. So sitting down with enemies, former and current, while putting aside differences is the Pragmatist that Trump operates from. Business sense, not political sense.


Don't mess with him....he will retaliate/ double-down....call it what you like, He will re-establish credibility both at home and internationally. Popularity? NO. Wary respect? You betcha.....

So does he become more Presidential? Of course, he has to. The negotiator will be up to bat.....

Scott Adams (Dilbert) has been weirdly accurate about some things regarding Trump.

Link

Megyn Kelly Interview

Bad Boy Transition Story

In movies, the hero has to undergo some sort of change in order to make the story compelling. Voters want Trump to moderate his obnoxious style and it seems that he is doing just that. We assume Trump’s new subdued style is because of hiring Reagan campaign veteran Paul Manafort. This transition from bad boy to responsible leader will be catnip for the press for months, assuming Trump keeps it up.

The new approach will help Trump run out the clock without introducing any drama that might derail him. And obviously it sets him up for the general election.

For a while I thought Trump was actually not trying to win, possibly self-sabotaging his chances with all of the things the media has been reporting. I thought, hmmm, maybe he just wants to shake things up and bring issues tot he forefront knowing he has quite the soapbox to push from. Then. something strange started happening, no matter what he did or said, more and more people were showing interest and support for him. Following that, he must have decided to skip abandoning this now that he was actually seeing results that he may have thought were unobtainable early on.

He may feel that it is time to bring in some folks to help him clean up his act a bit and right the ship he's sailing into a possible presidential position.

OP whats funny is how many people are surprised about this. Trump supporters KNOW how he is and will still support him. BEcause hes still better than Hellary. All people running for office will pivot to the middle when it gets near time to shore up the voters.

SO trump pulls a clinton triangulation and hes a liar huh? How do you know when he gets elected that he wont do as he pleases like Obama did?

These people just dont get it. we KNOW he is putting on a act and like it.

Manafort has been a mainstream Republican flunky for 40 years. Trump has already hooked up with the quintessentially neoliberal Heritage Foundation which has been around almost as long and is dogmatically pro-China trade and TPP.

Trump has no core beliefs and is now going to do everything he can to suck up to the GOP establishment so they will support him in the general election. Anyone who thinks any different is completely naive.

Only the Big Spirit In The Sky knows what he might do if elected. Trump might not even know.

originally posted by: yuppa
OP whats funny is how many people are surprised about this. Trump supporters KNOW how he is and will still support him. BEcause hes still better than Hellary. All people running for office will pivot to the middle when it gets near time to shore up the voters.

Maybe, but if Trump tries to cozy up to the Mexicans and minorities, his supporters will feel betrayed. However Trump knows he will lose with out the minority vote.

Rock .....Trump....Hardplace.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: yuppa
OP whats funny is how many people are surprised about this. Trump supporters KNOW how he is and will still support him. BEcause hes still better than Hellary. All people running for office will pivot to the middle when it gets near time to shore up the voters.

Maybe, but if Trump tries to cozy up to the Mexicans and minorities, his supporters will feel betrayed. However Trump knows he will lose with out the minority vote.

Rock .....Trump....Hardplace.

He will lose the minority vote to Clinton, but he dosn't need to win it. 20% will do if he extends his appeal into the majority groups. He already has about 15% of the minority support in a match up vs Clinton, which is higher than previous Republican runners.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: yuppa
OP whats funny is how many people are surprised about this. Trump supporters KNOW how he is and will still support him. BEcause hes still better than Hellary. All people running for office will pivot to the middle when it gets near time to shore up the voters.

Maybe, but if Trump tries to cozy up to the Mexicans and minorities, his supporters will feel betrayed. However Trump knows he will lose with out the minority vote.

Rock .....Trump....Hardplace.

Considering the ones who wont vote due to fear of deportation? COnsidering the ones who dont have a proper ID to vote? I hear the chinese minority loves him. The only mirorities that matter are the ones voting And If i was trump id ask for a PAPER BALLOT ahead of the election,and stipulations to allow extended voting.

basically all those who have voted for Trump based on his stupid shenanigans have been lied to if they now claim that is was all an act to gain votes.

Will it make them angry and leave? Probably not. Voting for him in the first place isn't exactly a testament of common sense.

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2
basically all those who have voted for Trump based on his stupid shenanigans have been lied to if they now claim that is was all an act to gain votes.

Will it make them angry and leave? Probably not. Voting for him in the first place isn't exactly a testament of common sense.

So you are calling anyone who supports him Stupid right? ANd honestly ALL POLOTICIANS PUT ON A ACT. Its called showmanship and working the crowd.

a reply to: ipsedixit

You're in Canada!
Why do you even care in the first place?
Second...
Your source has to be the most dubious source I have seen used on ATS in a long time...
One headline for example

Tyrant Trump Tries to Scapegoat Others for His Colorado Losses; Result Is Most Extensive Big Lie Campaign in U.S. Politics Since Bush-Cheney WMD Allegations vs Saddam Hussein

Talk about long winded, and clearly narrative driven... And absolutely insane!!!

Libertarian and other reactionary demagogues

Found this statement cute...
Libertarianism a demagogue? Who writes this crap!!!
Moving on to the next thread...

originally posted by: yuppa

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So you are calling anyone who supports him Stupid right?

Yes I am.

ANd honestly ALL POLOTICIANS PUT ON A ACT. Its called showmanship and working the crowd.

If you really believe that Trump and his one-line jokes paired with racism, misogeny, homophobia and call outs for "Making America Great" (also known as "Might is right") is OK then you are stupid.
If you then accept his change into something you didn't vote for in the first place and then his manager tells you it was all an act. Well then you are stupid.

Showmanship? Do you really want someone at the helm that has absolutely no idea about how politics work?
I can barely understand that some people get taken by what he says from the podium at a rally, but I cannot understand that anyone supports him when I hear his answers in political debates or interviews.

Some of you guys on ATS are quite well spoken and seem to be well educated in politics and your precious constitution and all the amendments. And still you support him? That is stupid.

And a lot of posts are basically something like:
I don't like Hillary or the others so I vote for Trump because he is a refreshing new thing in this political madness.
Or
I vote for trump out of spite because the political system in America is rotten.

THAT is beyond stupid.

Why so much surprise?

some of you only see what you want to see, its pretty pathetic.

Its clear Trump in the beginning wasn't being presidential, he wasn't articulate and was pretty bold/blunt. He has obviously got people around him now telling him to tone it down, telling him its good to have bold idea's and be honest, but do it with tact.


Some of you look at this like he's a turncoat, but the truth is he's finally taking his advisers advice.

Me and my family are latino. My cousin voted for Trump a week ago during the NY primary. Does that make any sense?

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Why so much surprise?

some of you only see what you want to see, its pretty pathetic.

Its clear Trump in the beginning wasn't being presidential, he wasn't articulate and was pretty bold/blunt. He has obviously got people around him now telling him to tone it down, telling him its good to have bold idea's and be honest, but do it with tact.


Some of you look at this like he's a turncoat, but the truth is he's finally taking his advisers advice.

Pretty much and if he took no advice the same people would be criticizing for not listening.
The anti-Trump brigade are getting less in number and running out of steam though.This was bound to happen because their only arguments were based on hyperbole and insults. The only real debate about the strengths and weaknesses of Trump are happening WITHIN the Trump support.

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: ipsedixit

You're in Canada!
Why do you even care in the first place?

My, my, you are a Trump supporter. Let me explain it this way. There's something in it for me.

I'd like my country to have a stable relationship with a stable country in the United States of America. If I were living abroad in one of America's target nations, I would have even more of an interest in political affairs stateside.

Canada's future is very much tied to the future of the United States. The Keystone XL pipeline is only one issue relating to trade between our two great nations. I don't want an impulsive incompetent running the store in the United States.

Second...
Your source has to be the most dubious source I have seen used on ATS in a long time...
One headline for example

Tyrant Trump . . .

Tarpley is not a source himself. He is a reporter of sources. His work is usually well written and checkable, if you are reasonably literate. I don't believe everything he says, but I think he is right in saying that Paul Manafort is a LOBBYIST with a very dubious client list. Tarpley usually goes a little overboard with his muckraking, in my opinion, but the mere fact that Donald "I don't depend on LOBBYISTS" Trump, has now put himself into the hands of a LOBBYIST is noteworthy.

I'm not criticizing him for that. He needs a minder and is smart enough to know that. What concerns me is that many of his supporters follow him on the basis that he is an outsider, not beholden to LOBBYISTS. Well, we now know that not to be the truth. He was not beholden to LOBBYISTS when he was just Trump the casino owner and hotelier, fooling around with presidential politics.

Now that he is serious, and being taken seriously, he has become Trump, advised by a LOBBYIST.

Trump's supporters seem to be convinced that that development is inconsequential for the Donald, like having a small amount of dog crap on your heel. It won't be noticed. It won't make a difference. He'll still be Donald the Outsider, who love's the little man and will make America great again.

OK.

originally posted by: ipsedixit

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: ipsedixit

You're in Canada!
Why do you even care in the first place?

My, my, you are a Trump supporter. Let me explain it this way. There's something in it for me.

I'd like my country to have a stable relationship with a stable country in the United States of America. If I were living abroad in one of America's target nations, I would have even more of an interest in political affairs stateside.

Canada's future is very much tied to the future of the United States. The Keystone XL pipeline is only one issue relating to trade between our two great nations. I don't want an impulsive incompetent running the store in the United States.

Second...
Your source has to be the most dubious source I have seen used on ATS in a long time...
One headline for example

Tyrant Trump . . .

Tarpley is not a source himself. He is a reporter of sources. His work is usually well written and checkable, if you are reasonably literate. I don't believe everything he says, but I think he is right in saying that Paul Manafort is a LOBBYIST with a very dubious client list. Tarpley usually goes a little overboard with his muckraking, in my opinion, but the mere fact that Donald "I don't depend on LOBBYISTS" Trump, has now put himself into the hands of a LOBBYIST is noteworthy.

I'm not criticizing him for that. He needs a minder and is smart enough to know that. What concerns me is that many of his supporters follow him on the basis that he is an outsider, not beholden to LOBBYISTS. Well, we now know that not to be the truth. He was not beholden to LOBBYISTS when he was just Trump the casino owner and hotelier, fooling around with presidential politics.

Now that he is serious, and being taken seriously, he has become Trump, advised by a LOBBYIST.

Trump's supporters seem to be convinced that that development is inconsequential for the Donald, like having a small amount of dog crap on your heel. It won't be noticed. It won't make a difference. He'll still be Donald the Outsider, who love's the little man and will make America great again.

OK.

You seem to like the word Lobbyist (in capitals and bold of course). Have you not worked out that nobody cares that Trump hired insiders - except those that hated him in the first place?

a reply to: UKTruth

Yeah, I worked that out in my previous post.

A lot of people who vote, everywhere, not just in the US, don't really care much about what they are doing with their votes, but here on this site we ventilate the issues anyway.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
a reply to: UKTruth

Yeah, I worked that out in my previous post.

A lot of people who vote, everywhere, not just in the US, don't really care much about what they are doing with their votes, but here on this site we ventilate the issues anyway.

I wonder are there any Trump voters who have been swung away from him? There might be I suppose. Most I have spoken to are encouraged that his campaign is connecting with people who know the game better, but none seem to be switching to Cruz or Kasich.

a reply to: UKTruth

I looked on line and could not find much beyond the former Super PAC organizer, Stephanie Cegelskie, who had a high profile defection.

Her story:

www.xojane.com...

An Open Letter to Trump Voters from His Top Strategist-Turned-Defector

I respect Trump's fans. That's why I can no longer support the man himself.

Here is one from an ordinary person:

fromtheeditr.blogspot.ca...

Local Ex-Trump Supporter: 'A Few Months of Temporary Insanity'

Ms. Wright says she was a strong Trump supporter before seeing him, but that she has made a 180 degree turn away from him. Here are her unedited words (take them to heart, all ye who visit here):

Both defectors seem to be basing their decisions on Trump's perceived personal qualities and mental instability, rather than on policy issues.