Your 140 IQ Is NOT Impressive

Hidden Secret #1:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT.

Hidden Secret #2:

IQ Tests were never designed to measure someone's intelligence.

Hidden Secret #3:

Believing you have a high IQ based on some BS test you took only proves your naivety.

Hidden Secret #3:

The first IQ test ever designed (Standford Binet Test) was designed to administer to classroom children to determine which students had retained the lesson and which students required more 1 on 1 time with the teacher in order to absorb the lesson.

Hidden Secret #4:

NO ONE WORKING IN THE FIELD OF PSYCHOLOGY/NEUROSCIENCE BELIEVES THAT INTELLIGENT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MEASURED OBJECTIVELY


Based on these hidden truths I've provided one can clearly arrive to the conclusion that Intelligence is PURELY SUBJECTIVE.

There's a difference between what one can know/memorize and what one's capacity to learn is. And all IQ tests have their vulnerabilities and cultural limitations.

In short, IQ is BS and anyone that boasts of a high IQ only proves their ignorance and complacency to the system.

That is all. Thanks for playing!

a reply to: ColdWisdom

You are a bit absolute there and not entirely correct. Many aspects of intelligence can be measured objectively, we have well defined test to do that. And yes, people with the highest IQs (as measured by such tests) in real life also file more patents, publish more academic papers, and earn higher incomes than those with lower IQs. No hidden truths there.

Perhaps you meant to say "intelligence comes in many forms and flavours and IQ tests mostly only measure just one or a few aspects of intelligence". Which is correct. But to label it all BS - well, that's just a bridge too far IMHO.

Have you ever taken an IQ test and wondered to yourself, who designed this test?. And how do those designers of the test know what intelligence is? Furthermore who are they to define who is smarter than another?

IQ is a scam.

Do yourself a favor and do some research on the history of IQ. You may be surprised to learn that intelligence is derived from subjective interpretation.

Look up the Psychologist and author George S Kelly. Look up his book:

The Psychology of Personal Constructs.

There is no objective reality. Intelligence is inherently subjective. Therefor there is no Emperical measurement for anything subjective.

Educate yourselves and don't listen to anyone that boldly pronounces "I know I'm a genius 'cause my IQ is XXX"

Every IQ test is designed to measure what the test makers define as "intelligence quotient." The tests are culturally structured and inherently limited.

Edit:

The only thing an IQ test is useful for is to determine someone's aptitude in THE MOMENT. They are not end all be all declarations of what your limits are psychologically.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
Do yourself a favor and do some research on the history of IQ. You may be surprised to learn that intelligence is derived from subjective interpretation.

But it can be objectively measured. It's very simple: there is a test, the test is the same for all and the way the results are weighted is the same for all. Yes, you can argue that what is being measured is not "intelligence" - and you'd be right: what is being measured is what is considered to be an indication of intelligence.

(All in the context of culture and society, of course. The famous example is that of the African servant, whom was asked to sort the cutlery for his master. When done, he had created a series of sets each consisting of one fork, one knife and one spoon. His Master was angry with him, and asked why he had made such a mess of it: why he hadn't sorted them decently: forks with forks, spoons with spoons and knives with knives. The servant looked puzzled and replied: "Well, master, but you can't eat with just knives, or just spoons or just forks".)

There is no objective reality. Intelligence is inherently subjective. Therefor there is no Emperical measurement for anything subjective.

There is emperical measurement for what is seen as intelligence in the context of a culture.

Every IQ test is designed to measure what the test makers define as "intelligence quotient." The tests are culturally structured and inherently limited.

Yes, but useful nevertheless. But I do agree that the number itself is rather meaningless.

The only thing an IQ test is useful for is to determine someone's aptitude in THE MOMENT. They are not end all be all declarations of what your limits are psychologically.

I wholeheartedly underwrite your opinion that IQ tests should not be used as the ONLY way to measure a persons capabilities.

a reply to: Metallicus

My Sister has a 200 IQ , but when it comes to Common Sense , she's a Bloomin' Id Jut .

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Nice …

Based on these hidden truths I've provided one can clearly arrive to the conclusion that Intelligence is PURELY SUBJECTIVE.

Subject to wisdom, imo.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

In my country I've seen quite laughable requirements for certain jobs. Simple work, that used to be done by people with just a few years of basic education now suddenly requires A-levels, and even a simple secretary has to have a college degree or better.

Lol, same here. What was once a janitor is now a waste management technician.

Too full of ourselves. Must be that class thing. Head of the class, upper classmen or lower rank? Dd you pass your class, what grades did you get?

I'm underedumakated, I don't measure up. I'll never get anywhere, my life is ruined…

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Yeah the higher the iq the more you border line having mental health issues i was tested a few times and even by mensa 207 was my iq, but i am also a mental basket case bi polar manic depressive severe anxiety ptsd juat to name a few of my issues.

originally posted by: ModeSeven
a reply to: Metallicus

IQ Tests don't measure Intelligence. They only measure one's ability to succeed or fail in the education system.

Actually they dont. Many with very High IQs have learning disabilities. I thought Iwas a dummy all through school. I dropped out of college, because I wasnt interested and couldnt focus. I was probably 45 when I found out what my IQ was. I was blown away. The Sit down test was with a professional, and paid for by my corporation for all managment. They refused to tell me at the time, but it was leaked to me by the 78 year old company consultant during a converstation at least a decade later. He told me and others that I came out above all other management, including the president of the company. Im not going to say a number, because this isnt a one up thing and never should be. Finding out, did my self esteem good, and had guys comming to me for suggestions and council, but it also gave me a big head, and made me arrogant, which is not good. There are other things that make us a better person then having a high IQ

Every single person in this thread who posted their IQ needs to take a long hard look at themselves and find out why they feel the need to impress people on the internet by quoting a fictional number.

It's no coincidence that the posters who seem like real experts in their fields, or at least well educated, haven't come in here to brag about their IQ. It's only the posters who offer very little to threads who have felt the need to do so.

originally posted by: SudoNim
Every single person in this thread who posted their IQ needs to take a long hard look at themselves and find out why they feel the need to impress people on the internet by quoting a fictional number.

It's no coincidence that the posters who seem like real experts in their fields, or at least well educated, haven't come in here to brag about their IQ. It's only the posters who offer very little to threads who have felt the need to do so.

Good points. Why would one feel the need to post it? An apology is needed by everyone stating such.

I have observed something that interesting. If that would be stated without I:

An observation which is of note.....


People who are self-absorbed, tend to refer to themselves while talking or writing. I, me, how many times to you say that when you write? If it is a lot, you are most likely egotistic. That is thinking too highly of yourself than you should. And the truth is, most people tend to think too highly of themselves.

You are human. And you will fail. All the time. Whomever you are.

I remember once listening to the quote of the wife of Nelson Mandela. "He is the world's pacifist." Something like that. She said. "Oh yeah? Well, God help the world, he isn't all that much."

That goes for the rest of you who think you are so much.

originally posted by: Metallicus
I have noticed from time to time that people on ATS like to share their IQ with us as if we are going to be impressed. There are some that even have it in their signature line. I realize this isn't always shared for vanities sake, however, a 140 IQ is really NOT impressive.

I have an IQ in the mid-140s and I have encountered 100s of people smarter than me during my lifetime. In fact a 140 IQ isn't at all rare because approximately 1 in 260 people in the world have an IQ of 140 or better. That means there are literally MILLIONS of people with 140+ IQs.

Look, a 140 IQ is fine, but seriously, I consider it just enough to cause arrogance and be smart enough to be dangerous. It isn't that special without all of the things that go with it like a good memory, good study habits and the self-discipline to learn.

Anyway, IQs are also a terrible measure of success and common sense.

Okay, I just had to rant because it drives me nuts that people think a 140 IQ is all that great or rare.

As always, thank you for your time ATS.

This seems suspiciously like a hypocritical post.............Seems to me you have behaved less than the IQ of 140 would suggest and you don't like the responses.......

Guess what an IQ level has absolutely nothing to do with common sense and an ability to admit you are wrong. In fact arrogance usually kicks in with high IQ.

So come on , eat some humble pie, and tell uncle Malcolm (that's me) what's really bothering you.

Oh and before folks suddenly work out my full name from two threads !!!! it's not because of my IQ level but because I don't give a damn and don't hide behind my keyboard.

originally posted by: truthseeker84
a reply to: Vroomfondel

That is darn sexy.

I would have been the one to leave. Would not want to date an arsonist.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
Have you ever taken an IQ test and wondered to yourself, who designed this test?. And how do those designers of the test know what intelligence is? Furthermore who are they to define who is smarter than another?

IQ is a scam.

Do yourself a favor and do some research on the history of IQ. You may be surprised to learn that intelligence is derived from subjective interpretation.

Not any more.

In truth this field is quite sophisticated scientifically and statistically with strong internal and external quantitative validation. Though professionally it is called 'g' factor as 'intelligence' is a loaded word to the public.

The central experimental and observational fact is this: that across a fairly wide variety of cognitive abilities (though not all of them) the performance of people has a single significant contributing component, meaning that statistically, somebody who is good at task X is also more likley to be good at task Y.

The tests are validated across a variety of subtasks which don't necessarily have single cognitive or neurological underlying principles and yet the phenomenon is maintained.

Suppose you have 10 subscores of various question types and you look at the sub-score distributions. The largest principal component of variation is the general 'g' factor in that scoring well on some means that on average (across a wide population) means scoring well on others. When I say principal component, I mean something technical and specific, after an appropriate data transformation and normalization, that component is the eigenvector corresponding to the largest eigenvalue of the cross-covariance matrix of subscores averaged over the population. Furthermore the degree that the 'g' factor predicts performance vs the other components which correspond to intra-ability variation among people is also quantifiable, and the first eigenvalue is large compared to the others (meaning that the 'g' factor not only is a phenomenon but that it is substantial and significant).

Now of course the various tasks chosen in tests are those that have been validated to best predict 'g'. After all, running and catching a batted baseball in motion also requires major cognitive and neurological ability but its performance is less correlated with intellecutal 'g' than other tasks.

I'm not an expert but I have enough understanding to at least grasp the surface elements of the professional field.

Another word of wisdom---it is frequently the case that laymen don't even know what they don't know and radically and confidently deeply underestimate the depth of understanding and knowledge in professional academic studies, in particular anything dealing with science. Yes, this is intellectual elitism, and the elitism is usually justified.

a reply to: Metallicus

I think you'll find most of those individuals don't actually have an IQ of that scale and simply took an online test that isn't accredited and doesn't actually measure cognizance of patterns

a reply to: ColdWisdom

If I notice that you included a "#3" twice, do I get an IQ cookie?

a reply to: SlapMonkey

No but because I've exceeded the 4 hour limit to go back and edit my post I'll give you a star instead. Fair?

a reply to: Metallicus

Lol. I agree. Mine is way up there too, but I do not brag about it.

What is the point? We are all right some of the time, and wrong a lot of the time.

I do believe there are loads of ppl out there with an IQ >140, but they lack common sense and, because of that, they come off as having an IQ closer to 80.

S&F.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Where are ALL of your references/links proving these claims?




That's what I thought.

originally posted by: SudoNim
Every single person in this thread who posted their IQ needs to take a long hard look at themselves and find out why they feel the need to impress people on the internet by quoting a fictional number.

It's no coincidence that the posters who seem like real experts in their fields, or at least well educated, haven't come in here to brag about their IQ. It's only the posters who offer very little to threads who have felt the need to do so.

I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Why so serious???

The vast majority of the posters here on ATS know each other pretty well. That and most of the members here do not get bent out of shape so easily. Being a new member is great and all but telling EVERYONE in this thread who shared their IQ that they need to "take a long hard look at themselves..." is a bit much.

You're going to need a much thicker skin and the ability to not let futile discussions, extremely opinionated views, strong personalities and VERY INTELLIGENT folks get the best of you.

Welcome to ATS.

Good luck.