Universal political centrism is the choice for any rational person

Ever happened to think how much are you tired of politics, because it's always the same old trick to make you choose between the left and the right? Or even worse, do you consoider yourself to be apolitical? That's right, there is a solution - you are a centrist. You can stop switching between parties, or being apolitical, because there is the centrist philosophy, which is the answer to all the intelligent people who just want to live in a perfectly balanced society.

Here is a link to a promo of the Centrist Party: www.youtube.com...

Say no to any kind of extremism and fanaticism.

The political philosophy based on rationality and pragmatism of taking a balanced position that avoids extremes, as of left and right. Centrism takes all the best parts from both capitalism and socialism or authoritarianism and libertarianism.

From each by his ability and to each by his needs.

The philosophy of centrism is based upon both minimalism and perfectionism. The goal is to assure maximum comfort for normal human existence by achieving a society without social conflicts with maximum safety and prosperity.

Capitalism without socialism is fascism
Socialism without capitalism is communism

Sometimes adding improves things. Sometimes removing improves things. Sometimes switching improves things. Centrism is when there is nothing left to add, or to remove, or switch.

Any idiot savant can make things more extreme, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of rationality and some pragmatism to move in the opposite direction.

Centrism is where the system is fit to serve the humans, instead of the current defective society, where humans must fit to serve the system.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire

If you agree to what is written above, we can have an interesting discussion about the future of your country.

If you have nonsense at one end, and nonsense at the other...

...everywhere in between is going to be nonsense too, including (and perhaps especially) the center. The whole concept of a "political spectrum" is thought slavery, ceding the premise that political governance is somehow necessary and desirable, when in reality it is neither.

a reply to: Conspirologist

Ever happened to think how much are you tired of politics, because it's always the same old trick to make you choose between the left and the right?

People are tired because they bomb the airwaves and the space between everyones ears non stop with the political process.

If you grow tired you tune out. Then they go about their twisted machinations without your knowledge or approval.

"And now stay tuned for more preliminary, pre polling, pre results…"

Again? Wheres the remote… [Click]

a reply to: Conspirologist

Yeah, I have logical, sensible moderate political views!

Except voting independent is a waste..

originally posted by: NthOther
If you have nonsense at one end, and nonsense at the other...

...everywhere in between is going to be nonsense too, including (and perhaps especially) the center. The whole concept of a "political spectrum" is thought slavery, ceding the premise that political governance is somehow necessary and desirable, when in reality it is neither.

No, no. Social phenomenons such as slavery have nothing to do with politics. Real politics are only about socialism and capitalism, or authoritarianism and libertarianism. The center is the rational sum of both otherwise divergent philosophies.

originally posted by: frostie
a reply to: Conspirologist

Yeah, I have logical, sensible moderate political views!

Except voting independent is a waste..

I am glad you are one of us. I have to agree. Independent is a waste. That's why we need a real centrist party.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Conspirologist

Ever happened to think how much are you tired of politics, because it's always the same old trick to make you choose between the left and the right?

People are tired because they bomb the airwaves and the space between everyones ears non stop with the political process.

If you grow tired you tune out. Then they go about their twisted machinations without your knowledge or approval.

"And now stay tuned for more preliminary, pre polling, pre results…"

Again? Wheres the remote… [Click]

Agree. But also people understand subconsciously that when extremes exist, the truth stays in the middle.

originally posted by: Conspirologist

originally posted by: frostie
a reply to: Conspirologist

Yeah, I have logical, sensible moderate political views!

Except voting independent is a waste..

I am glad you are one of us. I have to agree. Independent is a waste. That's why we need a real centrist party.

The problem is that a centrist party will never generate vocal support.

The reason the left and right wingers get advocates is because of the more "radical" views, because terms like "Conservative" and "liberal" exist.

Voters want like to be vocal about sentimental voting issues.

If a party doesnt have anything to get riled up about other than logic, it will not generate the numbers.

Here is the problem though, USA politics is not really a choice between left or right of center.

It is more a choice of Left of Authoritarian or a smudge more Left of Authoritarian.

We do not have the glorious what is it 7 to 8 party system most UK ruled provinces have.

So when one takes a full centrist stand the question becomes are you talking center of the two points left of Authoritarian or are you talking True Center, in which case you would look to be a Full on Extreme Right wing nut by the standards of the MSM.

a reply to: Conspirologist

Agree. But also people understand subconsciously that when extremes exist, the truth stays in the middle.

Did we have this conversation before? Walking down the center of the road is more dangerous than being on either side. Personally Im observing it all from a nearby hill top, but thats beside the point.

The truth is just the truth. Its not right, left or center (whatever that means).

The truth is not a lie. You know one by the other.

originally posted by: frostie

originally posted by: Conspirologist

originally posted by: frostie
a reply to: Conspirologist

Yeah, I have logical, sensible moderate political views!

Except voting independent is a waste..

I am glad you are one of us. I have to agree. Independent is a waste. That's why we need a real centrist party.

The problem is that a centrist party will never generate vocal support.

The reason the left and right wingers get advocates is because of the more "radical" views, because terms like "Conservative" and "liberal" exist.

Voters want like to be vocal about sentimental voting issues.

If a party doesnt have anything to get riled up about other than logic, it will not generate the numbers.

It is enough to explain to the citizens that both parties only talk about two same things - taxes and unemployement. So there is no really diference between the wto extremes. Wouldn't it be better to have a cnetrist party in a natural way?

originally posted by: CoBaZ
Here is the problem though, USA politics is not really a choice between left or right of center.

It is more a choice of Left of Authoritarian or a smudge more Left of Authoritarian.

We do not have the glorious what is it 7 to 8 party system most UK ruled provinces have.

So when one takes a full centrist stand the question becomes are you talking center of the two points left of Authoritarian or are you talking True Center, in which case you would look to be a Full on Extreme Right wing nut by the standards of the MSM.

That's right. The USSR and USA never had real politics. USSR was communist and USA are still capitalist. Menawhile Europe has become pretty centrist. European parties are now divided only in left centrists and right centrists. It is easy to unhderstand how the political center is the future of any developed country.

a reply to: Conspirologist

The Libertarian party platform already represents me just fine. I was reading their platform at www.uscentrist.org... and all I see is a lot of BS. They don't have a real policy on anything...just a bunch of flowery language.

Are they better than the existing dichotomy? Probably, but who knows. You can't get a straight answer on their website. I can say a bunch of broad statements and pretend it is policy, but it isn't.

Things to me are usually black and white. Individual liberty and not harming others or there property is about all that matters to me. We don't need Government to take care of us.

a reply to: CoBaZ

It is more a choice of Left of Authoritarian or a smudge more Left of Authoritarian.

This is false.

I don't care if the boot on my throat is the left or the right. This is about Authoritarianism Vs. Individual Liberty and to pretend the Left and Right are somehow different is complete BS.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Conspirologist

The Libertarian party platform already represents me just fine. I was reading their platform at www.uscentrist.org... and all I see is a lot of BS. They don't have a real policy on anything...just a bunch of flowery language.

Are they better than the existing dichotomy? Probably, but who knows. You can't get a straight answer on their website. I can say a bunch of broad statements and pretend it is policy, but it isn't.

Things to me are usually black and white. Individual liberty and not harming others or there property is about all that matters to me. We don't need Government to take care of us.

Libertarians are just a branch of capitalism mixed with anarchism. You can''t really understand what the rational center is by yourself. I don't blame you. Your young mind was just brainwashed since birth as anybody who was born in a totalitarian regimen. Be it communism or capitalism, people are brainwashed the same but with different ideologies.

Taking the "middle ground" on everything seems pretty weak to me. It's literally refusing to take a stand on anything. And furthermore, who decides what the "sides" are, anyway? Public policy is incredibly diverse, dealing with everything from how to allocate taxpayer funds to revamping legal forms and determining the dates for special elections. Many of these things have no "extreme" position. So how will a strictly centrist point of view be any different from what we already have in those areas?

Also, it's a bit ironic that you said "Say no to any kind of extremism and fanaticism" when this entire proposal is extreme. It's an overzealous vow to stay in the middle ground, no matter what. Ironically, if this proposal was really a moderate one, it would allow loose acceptance of its stated purpose. Instead, it demands strict adherence to its stated purpose while strictly forbidding any deviance. Isn't that pretty much the working definition of fanaticism?

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Ironically, if this proposal was really a moderate one, it would allow loose acceptance of its stated purpose. Instead, it demands strict adherence to its stated purpose while strictly forbidding any deviance. Isn't that pretty much the working definition of fanaticism?

Ironically, what you are saying is illogical. Centrism can't be moderate or extreme, simply because of the nature of centrism. In case you have not read the OP I will repeat. Centrism is the balanced center between the two extremes. Extremes conflict bewteen them. Capitalism was invented for the upper class protection, socialism was invented for the lower class protection.

The middle class is equally well being in a capitalist or socialist society, simply becaiuse it is the center. This means that the middle class (which is the center of society) has started cebhtrism, and is asking the wto extreme classes to kindly quit their bull# and contribute to the creation of a truly balanced society where every social class has the same probablity of survival and control over their own duties and rights.

a reply to: Conspirologist

First, socialism isn't extreme at all. Communism is far more extreme when compared to socialism. This drives home my point about who gets to decide what's "extreme" in the first place. Just as an oligarchy or feudalism is more extreme than capitalism.

Also, even though you call it "centrism", your idea is still extreme. It literally calls for the complete devotion to a specific concept. That's an extreme position in itself because it doesn't allow any leeway. And as I pointed out, many political decisions have nothing to do with an "extreme" anyway. So this concept wouldn't change anything in those instances. Then there's this:

The philosophy of centrism is based upon both minimalism and perfectionism.

This is just a verbose way to say "small government, few political programs, few taxes, and a focus on efficiency in self and government". How is that different from what many people on the right already say? Once again, that's not "centrist" since it echoes the existing conservative theories. Then there's this:

The goal is to assure maximum comfort for normal human existence by achieving a society without social conflicts with maximum safety and prosperity.

How can there be a minimal political system that assures maximum comfort for normal human existence? Unless you're assuming the "maximum comfort" for normal humans includes a minimal political system, which is once again, a common right wing position. And how can you achieve a society with no social conflicts while having maximum safety and prosperity? That doesn't make sense as a "centrist" position either, since it's also literally the right wing's position of a strong defense and tough on crime policies (which provide the "maximum safety"). In other words, the wording is different but the point is the same.

As for this:

The middle class is equally well being in a capitalist or socialist society, simply becaiuse it is the center. This means that the middle class (which is the center of society) has started cebhtrism, and is asking the wto extreme classes to kindly quit their bull# and contribute to the creation of a truly balanced society where every social class has the same probablity of survival and control over their own duties and rights.

That's not how it works. The "middle class" isn't called that because it's the "center of society". It's called that because of economic conditions typically involving the costs of living, income levels, access to specific aspects of society, etc. It's a vague concept that differs vastly depending on where you live. So a "middle class" person in one region would be "upper class" or "lower class" in another region. And contrary to what you seem to think, socialist programs actually increase the number of people who can enjoy "middle class" perks.

originally posted by: Conspirologist

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Conspirologist

The Libertarian party platform already represents me just fine. I was reading their platform at www.uscentrist.org... and all I see is a lot of BS. They don't have a real policy on anything...just a bunch of flowery language.

Are they better than the existing dichotomy? Probably, but who knows. You can't get a straight answer on their website. I can say a bunch of broad statements and pretend it is policy, but it isn't.

Things to me are usually black and white. Individual liberty and not harming others or there property is about all that matters to me. We don't need Government to take care of us.

Libertarians are just a branch of capitalism mixed with anarchism. You can''t really understand what the rational center is by yourself. I don't blame you. Your young mind was just brainwashed since birth as anybody who was born in a totalitarian regimen. Be it communism or capitalism, people are brainwashed the same but with different ideologies.

You consider a focus on individual liberty to be 'brain washing'?

I can't take you seriously.