Proof the FBI coerces unstable "subjects" into committing acts of terrorism

Would that make the Obama administration terrorist?

and/or

Is the Obama administration trying to spread Islamaphobia ? If Obama and his administration are trying to spead Islamaphobia, but their stance is to punish Islamaphobia, would they be promoting Christianphobia or Conserviativephobia?

No matter what you want to call it, it seems like Obama and his administration are trying to separate people on multiple fronts: religion, race, sex, and so on

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

Sounds like a book I'd enjoy. Will have a look for it

The zooming sound at the beginning of the recording means the FBI is listening... I always hear this sound when I call my dad. Sadly enough to tell, is that many people around our family, friends and outsiders tried to damage our own family bound! Like our neighbourhood cospired against us! When I was three years old, I saw something paranormal. Nothing measureable mentioned. I have been in mental hospital for many times, and I realized when I was 4 years old that in some way they where after me!!
The "paranormal" visitors!

However, what surprises me about this recording, is that the depressive guy is honestly depressed accoarding to his voice, and getting slightly psychotic, and asking for attention to make himself feel again as a human being.

And when he talks about his rope, the woman becomes what I call "fake socialistic". I can hear by anyones voice very well the intentions that cross peoples mind at the moment of speech, and since her "fake socialistic" change at this moment in the conversation means that when her clit get's inside out(spiritually) carries out that she's in mindcontrol by a different person then herself on these subjects she talking about (something we all accept as humanbeings, since we accept the state and politicians and have jobs to convince customers and so on). But that's just a story, isn't it?

That's my baby's mom I'm 100% sure

a reply to: eisegesis

Let's face it if someone talks you on to being a terrorist you all ready were. And honestly I'd prefer to see them see if they are unstable and push buttons while they are supervising it than it happening off some Web site.

You can't turn someone in to an extremist they have to be pretty disposed and a believer.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: eisegesis

Let's face it if someone talks you on to being a terrorist you all ready were. And honestly I'd prefer to see them see if they are unstable and push buttons while they are supervising it than it happening off some Web site.

You can't turn someone in to an extremist they have to be pretty disposed and a believer.

Couldn't disagree more. You have no embargo on the truth with which to make that claim. What someone thinks about, what someone talks about, is not the same as what they do.

How do you know that some man or woman that was mindcrimed by the feds wouldn't have been just as likely to go get a burger as shoot up a church had that instead been suggested? You don't. You can say he was more likely to do this or that but you can't really say he was going to do anything, because you don't know. Of course, the guy didn't even set out to do anything. He was talking about it, right?

a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Simple if I tried to talk most people into shooting up a church they would turn me in. You already have to willing to do it before I discuss it. I can trigger a response but ultimately I can't force someone to do something against their beliefs or morals. If anyone can talk him into shooting up a church he had made those choices long ago in his beliefs. Even people mentally unstable most have their own morals and beliefs. If he was just so mentally unstable that anyone could talk him into anything as you state and he sees no difference between getting a burger and shooting up a church, someone needs to find a way to lock him up.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Simple if I tried to talk most people into shooting up a church they would turn me in. You already have to willing to do it before I discuss it. I can trigger a response but ultimately I can't force someone to do something against their beliefs or morals. If anyone can talk him into shooting up a church he had made those choices long ago in his beliefs. Even people mentally unstable most have their own morals and beliefs. If he was just so mentally unstable that anyone could talk him into anything as you state and he sees no difference between getting a burger and shooting up a church, someone needs to find a way to lock him up.

That's my point though is that we don't really know what this guy was thinking, but it doesn't matter. I'm more concerned about what he did do, that can be proved under law. Just because he had a conversation about whatever doesn't mean he was going to do this, that, or anything. It would be one thing if he were all geared up, on the way out his door to go shoot up that church. That's not what happened though. What did happen is that he had a conversation about an illegal activity.

Furthermore, if I understand the story well enough he was led into that conversation by the informant. If that is indeed true, that makes this evidence useless from a psychological point of view because the subject has been manipulated so much that his true intentions left unmolested are difficult to ascertain.

Don't get me wrong, it would not be my first choice of dinner conversation. Have the family over, a little barbeque, and talk about that next church we're gonna shoot up. People talk about some bad stuff sometimes. Just because they talk about bad stuff doesn't mean that they're going to do any of that stuff. If you want to get technical we're talking about shooting up a church right now. It doesn't mean either of us is going to go out and do it tomorrow.

Also if he were planning to actually carry out an attack, there would have been clear signs that a trained observer would have clearly been able to see. I'm guessing these will be absent here, just "he had a conversation about it and said he was suicidal."

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
That's why you need to be careful with "new friends" -- especially if they seem to really support and be into the causes you are into. If this new friend starts to suggest radical things, urging you to "take action" or whatever -- alarm bells should sound.

Last week someone on facebook from a "patriot militia" group invited me to join their group and get involved in real life training...I envisioned a scenario just like this and wondered if he really was a patriotic american or an FBI informant...I politely declined his offer

a reply to: Kandinsky

There probably is some book somewhere that deals with this idea but I don't remember reading one with it. It was just a idea that popped into my head while laying down and seeing Terry Pratchett's Guards! Guards!

As far as I know this isn't a real book. It seems from your response that you misunderstood my post. If I could write a book(I can't, so don't ask me to do it) I'd make it allegory for today's world of propaganda. There are threats everywhere, don't ya know? We really need Big Brother to protect us from them all.

Someone really needs to run with this idea and write the book. Heck, maybe it's already been done and I just haven't heard of it.

Recordings Reveal FBI Armed a Man and Urged Him to Carry Out a Mass Shooting to “Defend Islam”

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The FBI needs to end

Notice you have revived a few older threads on this subject.

a reply to: eisegesis Wow!! Really disgusting stuff. Think about it from the perspective of the government boys and girls. The government has created its latest boogie man, terrorism. There really is very , very, little terrorism. If you want to move up in the ranks of your govie job you have to get them (terrorists) where you can. If you have to create them where none exists, so be it.

I can't help but think of the Boston Bombings. They didn't manipulate in the same way, but they found someone that was vulnerable and exploited him to the max.

Remember, our system does not work without a monster under the bed. Whether that is communism, Russians or terrorists we have to have a monster. It appears the government will go to any lengths to keep the fear growing.

The intelligence agencies really go an extra mile to manipulate innocent Americans in this manner. First though, your subject must be unstable, and so, they'll work hard night and day to create that instability and goddammit they won't rest till they get what they want. They're always searching for a fall guy, a scape goat and have perfected this tactic. You start to wonder what their private lives are like when they dedicate so much of their time to ruin and manipulate the lives of others. They must be very empty and meaningless people.