God Did It! The rest is post modern chatter!

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: edmc^2
Then don't reply. Simple as that.

I'll tell you what. You stop making new threads with numerous lies in them and I'll stop replying to them.

If you just wanted to offer your opinion and explain your faith, I'm fine with that. The difference is that you always take it to another level and attack science and all people that believe differently than you do. You also claim your faith is proven fact. It's not. Why can't you promote your faith in a positive way instead of using it to bring others down?

I'm not promoting my faith - just offering a different perspective. A Biblical perspective back up by true science.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: edmc^2

There are several others posting, who I know who have faith, but are also not creationists. Your assertion is thus proven wrong.

What assertion?

a reply to: edmc^2

I have said this about a dozen times already.

1. It's an observation that doesn't have to come from a divine source. Many things were said about the earth in the bible and just because one observation was almost accurate doesn't mean it is divine. Especially since you discount the ones that are in direct conflict with your "proof"

2. The earth is not hanging it is spinning.

Stop with this one at time. We've gone way past that verse which proves nothing no matter how much you would like it to.

I understand your need to ignore all the other verses that conflict with this one. Addressing them would mean admitting that the bible doesn't prove anything and that conflicts with your view.

a reply to: edmc^2

Are you really that oblivious?

"They (atheists) are still at this and can't let go because they can't deny the fact. God did it is the only logical explanation for the existence of the universe."

When agnostics, pagans, Jews, Christians have all posted here, and in other threads, supporting the side you claim that "atheists" are the only ones involved in.

You have been proven incorrect.

a reply to: Joecanada11

1. It's an observation that doesn't have to come from a divine source....

If it's an obeservation...does this mean then, the writer of Job 26:7 (with respect to the earth as floating in space or to use his own words "hanging/suspending upon nothing") got it right? That his observation was correct / accurate - c 4000 years ago?

If so, then science has confirmed it.

2. The earth is not hanging it is spinning.

Sure the earth is spinning - that is a fact! But it's also not being held by something solid. In fact, it's also floating in space in addition to its rotation on its axis while it orbits the sun.

Those three are facts.

But here's the question - if you say, the writer of Job got his information through observation, without the aid of satellites and mathematics, and without leaving the earth, how did he accurately observed that the earth is "suspended upon nothing"?


Must be a very smart "goat herder" to be able to do a 20th century observation.

Don't you agree?

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: edmc^2

Are you really that oblivious?

"They (atheists) are still at this and can't let go because they can't deny the fact. God did it is the only logical explanation for the existence of the universe."

When agnostics, pagans, Jews, Christians have all posted here, and in other threads, supporting the side you claim that "atheists" are the only ones involved in.

You have been proven incorrect.

Not proven incorrect since I'm talking SPECIFICALLY to the atheist when I said the above.

a reply to: edmc^2

No proven incorrect as it has been already proven (by my admission) that your statement is wrong. I also deny the fact that your God is the only logical explanation for universal creation.

You need to take a course in logic, as well as several in science.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: edmc^2

No proven incorrect as it has been already proven (by my admission) that your statement is wrong. I also deny the fact that your God is the only logical explanation for universal creation.

You need to take a course in logic, as well as several in science.

Ok - since you're the expert on logic, what other logical explanation other than divine origin can you offer then?

As you can see, I've been using just one verse - three little words: the earth is "hanging upon nothing" or to use a modern term - 'floating in space' to prove my point. And it's been unassailable.

What have you to offer?

double post

a reply to: edmc^2

Except its not floating through space... its actually moving extremely fast though space...

"floating" would imply its just "hanging around" almost as your three words describe... but that isn't the case...

This has also been said a few times in this thread... so your premise is wrong from the very beginning

a reply to: edmc^2

No it means out of many things biblical writers got wrong scientifically one writer made a vague assumption that is somewhat correct. It still however is not accurate.

The writer didn't state anything about the earth rotation or the orbit around the Sun. A divine communication should have given more accurate information. Logically it wasn't divine insight.

Even a blind squirrel can find a nut every so often.

Again you are ignoring the other verse which I presented that directly conflicts with science and with job. I'm not surprised though you've ignored actual science and scripture that conflicts with science for 57 pages now.

a reply to: edmc^2

Your three little words have been assailed over and over. They aren't an accurate depiction as you've been told. And just like a good Christian apologist without logic you ignore all the other scripture that conflicts with not only science but also the bible itself.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: edmc^2

No it means out of many things biblical writers got wrong scientifically one writer made a vague assumption that is somewhat correct. It still however is not accurate.

The writer didn't state anything about the earth rotation or the orbit around the Sun. A divine communication should have given more accurate information. Logically it wasn't divine insight.

Even a blind squirrel can find a nut every so often.

Again you are ignoring the other verse which I presented that directly conflicts with science and with job. I'm not surprised though you've ignored actual science and scripture that conflicts with science for 57 pages now.

Sure if the subject was about the rotation or orbit of the earth. Or that the subject was about science. In any case, even this very small detail - the fact that the writer got it correct leaves no doubt that he had advanced knowledge of the fact.

Imagine that! It took around 4000 years later to confirm what he knew all along. And it took spaceships of our time to confirm what he knew all along.

Lucky blind squirrel? Nah.

He was given divine information.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: edmc^2

Except its not floating through space... its actually moving extremely fast though space...

"floating" would imply its just "hanging around" almost as your three words describe... but that isn't the case...

This has also been said a few times in this thread... so your premise is wrong from the very beginning

both are facts - the earth is floating in space (layman's term) and moving through space.

no contradiction.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: edmc^2

Your three little words have been assailed over and over. They aren't an accurate depiction as you've been told. And just like a good Christian apologist without logic you ignore all the other scripture that conflicts with not only science but also the bible itself.

Actually, science is just catching up to what the Bible writers knew ahead of time.

a reply to: edmc^2

For starters. There is nothing logical about "Divine Origin". The Divine in all respects isn't logical. It's Supernatural, Magical, or some other similar label, but not logical.

a reply to: edmc^2

somehow i doubt that floating and traveling at 60k miles an hour are synonymous

Considering this supposedly came from "god"... its a pretty weak description

a reply to: edmc^2

There's plenty of doubt that he had advanced knowledge. A lucky guess. Maybe he heard it from someone else. None of what he said proves that god did anything. And your ignoring this one as usual

For the pillars of the earth are theLord’s, and He has set the world upon them. (1 Samuel 2:8)

And your ignoring this one to nobody's surprise

Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone[?] (Job 38:4–6)

As I said you can't just pick and choose one vague statement that is semi correct and ignore the other scriptures that are in direct conflict with science. That is being dishonest.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: edmc^2

For starters. There is nothing logical about "Divine Origin". The Divine in all respects isn't logical. It's Supernatural, Magical, or some other similar label, but not logical.

Ok - supernatural origin then.

It's logical since it took a spaceship to confirm this fact. That is, outside of the earth's vicinity to know that it is a fact. That nothing solid was holding the earth in space. Floating in space while it orbits the sun rotating on its axis.

BTW - Aristotle taught the earth was solidly being held inside a sphere among spheres. He was so off based and highly illogical.

a reply to: edmc^2

If you truly believe that statement I suggest you stop using modern medicine and doctors. Instead take your own advice and follow the sound medical teachings found in Leviticus