God Did It! The rest is post modern chatter!

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Talking Protestant peaches from history... Did a mutation remove thier ability of speech?

The irony is strong with this one.

I'm not picking at you. It just struck me as funny how you spelled "their" while you said that.

a reply to: Skid Mark

Lol
Nobody's perfect...

a reply to: 5StarOracle
Life wouldn't be fun or interesting if they were. I'm glad you had a good sense of humor about that.

a reply to: Skid Mark

Serves me right for being rude...
But I found what he said to be funny...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Thats not an answer why is your god created by MEN in one part of the Earth more worthy than a god created by MEN in another.

After all he is a jealous god we see that quoted in the bible yet he let these other gods be created more evidence of the BS of religion

a reply to: wmd_2008

Well the bible eludes to that also...
This is not attributed to God...
I know you are trying very hard...
But the truth of it is Man separated himself from God... Ever hear of Cain?
You can blame him for the divergence and hopefully you can understand that he would have been pouting and made sure his lineage did not serve God...
A jealous God because he wants the recognition as God...
Did you think that is for himself?
Nah you would be wrong again...
Hes jealous because he does not want to lose you...
But that was then sure he has a preexisting covenant with Isreal...
But now he has one for everybody...

As for the other gods of many religions I think God made them too... Some might call them aliens...
Others might call them angels and demons...
I'd have to say that's right when applied to certain other so called gods from various different beliefs...
But I would not agree any of those "gods" are God...

And I do not believe man created any of them...
I believe many so called myths have a basis in reality
And stemmed from encounters beyond the comprehension of those involved... Some of these encounters were highly spiritual others revealing technology involved that supercedes that of today...
History shows signs that also eludes to these things being a possibility...
So no doubt confusion has also played it's part...
So since this is man's doings assuming these others are gods... How do you blame or say God allowed this?
Maybe now you can understand why he is jealous...

And as for the why...
He commanded it...
I AM the Lord your God thou shalt have no other gods before me...
That's his answer to you...

originally posted by: mOjOm
You guys must realize by now he'll never change his mind and will make whatever excuse required to keep believing, right???

No amount of logic, no matter how sound and irrefutable it may be will change that. Because logic isn't what got him in the position he's in although he spends a lot of time trying to make some reasonable argument for it.

But it's not reasonable. It is however very cleverly arranged and engineered so that once it gets a hold of someone's mind it's very difficult for it to escape. It has it's own security features so to speak. Like discouraging Reason and Logic and what is Real for what is Out Side Reality. It discourages Questioning the belief itself or even suggesting punishment for it.

He's the only one who can get himself out of it because it's been him who's got himself there and kept himself safe in that belief for a long time now.

I know this won't stop any of you. Hell, it doesn't stop me either usually. But there is a point when I think Time is truly wasted. Just saying...

To the contrary moJom - I've moved far beyond the elementary things you're struggling with.

The fact that a very simple phrase is so hard for you people to grasp gives me a chuckle.

True to his words Jesus he saw the wisdom when looking at children:

(Matthew 18:3, 4) and said: “Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens. 4 Therefore, whoever will humble himself like this young child is the one who is the greatest in the Kingdom of the heavens;

a reply to: edmc^2

Bulkocks. You don't even understand the phrase that you keep bringing up. You are full of sh!t and you damn well know it. Oh by the way I found this dandy scripture.

Psalm 104:5 "He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved"

This verse clearly contradicts our knowledge of the earth but I don't expect you to address this. You will ignore it like you ignore all the scriptures I have presented that contradict science. You will say I don't understand a simple phrase as you have done with everyone in this thread.

originally posted by: edmc^2

To the contrary moJom - I've moved far beyond the elementary things you're struggling with.

The fact that a very simple phrase is so hard for you people to grasp gives me a chuckle.

True to his words Jesus he saw the wisdom when looking at children:

(Matthew 18:3, 4) and said: “Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens. 4 Therefore, whoever will humble himself like this young child is the one who is the greatest in the Kingdom of the heavens;

I actually wasn't talking about you.

Nor am I struggling with anything. I'm also having no part in the conversation about that phrase. I don't find the phrase of the earth hanging on nothing to mean much at all. It's neither proof of anything scientific or anything else. I think both sides of that argument are reading way too much into it actually and there are much better examples to use than just that one phrase.

Also that quote about children isn't anything original either. All Religious Avatars say something to that effect. Because children see the world from a perspective of innocence and without a history of learned bias like adults. They also see it from a perspective of ignorance too so I'd say it's a wash.

Here is a bible verse that makes a clear contradiction with science

Psalm 104:5 "He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved"

There you go. The writer of psalms ( the horrible man known as king David who had an affair with a married woman and had her husband killed ) obviously didn't hear from God because he's been given some really bad information.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: edmc^2

Bulkocks. You don't even understand the phrase that you keep bringing up. You are full of sh!t and you damn well know it. Oh by the way I found this dandy scripture.

Psalm 104:5 "He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved"

This verse clearly contradicts our knowledge of the earth but I don't expect you to address this. You will ignore it like you ignore all the scriptures I have presented that contradict science. You will say I don't understand a simple phrase as you have done with everyone in this thread.

Huh?

"He...hangs the earth upon nothing" is hard to understand?

What's so hard to understand?

It's plain as daylight. It says as it is! The earth IN LAYMAN'S terms is "hanging upon nothing".

Now if you want to be scientific about it - Phage's statement is correct too - the earth is falling around the sun due to gravitational pull. Or as some say gravitational push.

In any case, nothing visible is holding in place as if in layman's understanding "hanging upon nothing".

As to the scripture you've cited. You're trying so hard to prove the Bible is contradictory but it's not. It's your understanding of it that is lacking.

In fact to add insult to your supposed injury, let me throw some more scriptures that'll make your head spin out of its axis.


Psalm 104:5 "He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved"

[Psa 119:90 ESV] "Your faithfulness endures to all generations; you have established the earth, and it stands fast."

[Ecc 1:4 ESV] "A generation goes, and a generation comes, but the earth remains forever."

Now, are the texts above to be understood LITERALLY of METAPHORICALLY?

That is, that the earth will not be moved from its orbit or that it will remain forever and ever never to be destroyed?

That's your choice, not mine.

side note:

when Jesus said he is the "door" - is he saying that he is a literal door or metaphorical door?

[Jhn 10:7 RSV] "So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep."

If you're having difficulty understanding the above texts, then don't pretend you do because - it's becoming obvious that you don't.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: edmc^2

To the contrary moJom - I've moved far beyond the elementary things you're struggling with.

The fact that a very simple phrase is so hard for you people to grasp gives me a chuckle.

True to his words Jesus he saw the wisdom when looking at children:

(Matthew 18:3, 4) and said: “Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens. 4 Therefore, whoever will humble himself like this young child is the one who is the greatest in the Kingdom of the heavens;

I actually wasn't talking about you.

Nor am I struggling with anything. I'm also having no part in the conversation about that phrase. I don't find the phrase of the earth hanging on nothing to mean much at all. It's neither proof of anything scientific or anything else. I think both sides of that argument are reading way too much into it actually and there are much better examples to use than just that one phrase.

Also that quote about children isn't anything original either. All Religious Avatars say something to that effect. Because children see the world from a perspective of innocence and without a history of learned bias like adults. They also see it from a perspective of ignorance too so I'd say it's a wash.

quite true but one thing about children, they exhibit humility.

a reply to: edmc^2

I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about. You said the bible is 100% scientifically accurate. I and many members have shown that it is not. By using scripture.

You say the earth hanging on nothing is proof of its scientific accuracy and when I point out scriptures that conflict with science you say how do you know it's not metaphorical. You see the hypocrisy?

Also the earth will not remain forever. All matter will be destroyed to due entropy. Therefore that is false.

a reply to: Joecanada11

Also the earth will not remain forever. All matter will be destroyed to due entropy.

True, IF, that is IF there's no God, no Creator, an Always Existing forever living Creator.

But are you aware that entropy is part of Creation?

Just imagine if there's no entropy, this means that nothing will decay. The food we eat will not dissolve inside the stomach.

All landfills will remain landfill and eventually the earth will become a stinking landfill.

But thanks to God he incorporated entropy to his creations.

But since there's no God, no creator to you then that's the future you're stuck with - a destroyed earth and universe.

From Kyroot.com

The gospels of Matthew and Luke provide genealogies connecting King David to Jesus, which was necessary to qualify Jesus as the messiah according to Jewish scripture.  But when the legend of Jesus’s virgin birth was introduced, it made the genealogies redundant because it rendered Jesus not directly related to David.

Again more nonsense from the bible. God sure knew how to write book full of flaws. Here we see the writers feeble attempt to try and prove Jesus was from the lineage of David as per the messiah prophecy of the old testament. The virgin birth would make him not of the Davidic bloodline.

Besides that the messianic prophecies were about a military leader who would lead the Hebrews to victory in battle. They did not mention him being slain and sacrificed for mankind. Go talk to some Jews and ask how many of them think Jesus was the messiah.

a reply to: Joecanada11

Mary was a direct descendant of King David...
And all Jews will be Christians before Christ returns...
That's in the bible too...
So that's more failure...
The Torah may say a descendants lineage is traced through thier father only...
But let's see a father only make a child...
This is not possible...
So in reality a mother is part of the lineage of thier children...
The DNA evidence would show the link...
Could you deny the science behind that?
That's more evidence of science in the bible...
It had a better understanding of lineage than the Jews...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

The word Christian never appears in the bible. So how did state all jews will become Christians. I'll bet a lot of Jews will disagree with you ?

What DNA evidence ? There isn't any. And again where was this military leader the prophecies spoke of? He decided to get crucified instead apparently.

a reply to: 5StarOracle
From


members.shaw.ca...

Problem #2: Matthew says Jacob is Joseph's father. Luke says Heli is 
Joseph's father.)

(Problem #3: Matthew says David's son is Solomon. Luke says David's 
son is Nathan. -- Matthew says Jesus is in the lineage of Solomon, but 
Luke says Jesus is in the lineage ofNathan -- Both cannot be true. So at 
least one of these 2 Gospels is false)

(Problem #4: Neither genealogy can be the genealogy of Jesus since it is 
through Joseph. If Jesus had a virgin birth, then it follows that Joseph was 
not the blood father of Jesus. Other verses say that the messiah must be 
in the blood lineage of David -- see more verses further down on this page. 
What is the sense of these genealogies if they are not Jesus'? One solution 
would be to say that Joseph was really Jesus' biological father and Jesus did 
not have a virgin birth. But, Jesus not having a virgin birth contradicts the first 
Bible verses on this page)

(Problem #5: There is little agreement between Matthew and Luke in terms 
of Jesus' genealogy)

Different gospels disagreeing on the geneology and no they did not trace the geneology to Mary it was to Joseph.

a reply to: Joecanada11

When Christ returns he comes and destroys many waring nations...
He will have an army with him he's in charge guess that makes him a military leader...
When the Jews believe Jesus is the messiah that makes them Christians...
I'm sure they will still call themselves Jewish...
I'm saying if you had DNA from Jesus would show the link to King David if you had it...
In other words a Mother is a link to lineage...
Also mankind may infact have the DNA of Jesus...
If the shroud of Turin is infact the burial shroud of Jesus as it is expected to be...