Russian Engineer Reveals Evidence for Advanced Ancient Civilisation

originally posted by: Drawsoho
Nice - a complex cut granite in granite done with chisels and sand.
Prove it - replicate the half block shown in picture #2 with those
techniques. Impossible.

Yes sand particle size can be small, but the finest size is in Corundum.
Or Emory, it was not available during the time of the pharohs but it
has be supposed they could get it. This would make the finest polished
surfaces, but I doubt delicate features could be sanded out of the
granite.

Proof is in the pudding and no one has yet been able to duplicate the
fine stonework used as examples of advanced ancient technology using
the laughable sand/chisel/punch techniques.



a reply to: Harte

So, it was definitely lasrs then.

Why don't you duplicate it with lasers? Why don't you duplicate it with "softened" granite?

I mean, one side uses the tools we know for a fact they had, the other side makes up some completely unknown manufacturing process, then invents completely unknown societies that use them.

Harte

originally posted by: Drawsoho
Nice - a complex cut granite in granite done with chisels and sand.
Prove it - replicate the half block shown in picture #2 with those
techniques. Impossible.

Then how did they carve those hieroglyphs in granite and limestone - and not just one example (as you keep trying to stress) but literally millions of examples?

Egyptians weren't stupid and their Bronze Age technology was among the best. In addition, they did not view time as we view it... they weren't on an 8 hour day/40 hour week and they had whole workshops devoted to this.

You seem to be unaware that after they got the stone out of the ground, they worked it, smoothing and leveling it. They didn't chisel it out of the ground as a perfect object.

The ancient craftsmen who shaped the artifacts were not necessarily non-human.
The ancient builders in Egypt also may not have been.

I am simply stating that the technology used to create the fantastic stone works
is unknown and the tools used are missing. I am talking specifically about the
megalithic sites and Tiwanaku. Sure ancient people could spent 20 hours a day
for years shaping stone but it is hard to believe right angles and straight lines
could be made in granite with glass-smooth surfaces, without special tools.
Heiroglyphs and the Serapeum stones may have been carved with a special
liquid and giant 70 ton blocks formed with liquid stone:

files.abovetopsecret.com...


I think the amazing stone-working knowledge was passed down from even more
ancient peoples, and was lost, who existed before the Bronze age and who are
not known but tantalizing hints of them are still to be found.

a reply to: Byrd

originally posted by: Drawsoho
...it is hard to believe right angles and straight lines
could be made in granite with glass-smooth surfaces, without special tools.

There is a special tool, that does precisely that. It's called a chisel.

originally posted by: Drawsoho
The ancient craftsmen who shaped the artifacts were not necessarily non-human.
The ancient builders in Egypt also may not have been.

I am simply stating that the technology used to create the fantastic stone works
is unknown and the tools used are missing.

Wow did you do any research of your own before you posted, its like you lifted your words wholesale from a fringe website.
Stone working tools have been found abandoned in quarry's in both Egypt and S America. Abandoned because they were worn out, in fact all these processes have been reconstructed by modern archaeologists, its only the delusional and the ignorant that don't already know this

That is not true that all of these processes have been reconstructed
and maybe none of them have.

If so prove it, provide pics and evidence they can make surfaces and
stones such as in the Serapeum. What tools have been found (dolomite
balls?) to make such a wonder? Dolomite balls and sand have been
debunked - in the Serapeum video, didn't you watch it?

I am not copying from elsewhere, every word is mine.

Admirethedistance - how was the glass like surface chiseled out?
Provide proof please.

a reply to: Marduk

originally posted by: DrawsohoDolomite balls and sand have been
debunked - in the Serapeum video, didn't you watch it?

You think it was debunked because the guy in the video stated that there wasn't enough room around a block which hadn't been finished for the block to be finished ?

You might want to think about that for about 10 seconds, see if you can work out where you went wrong lol/

The current expert is Denys Stocks, he has a book out which demolishes your entire argument.
www.sci-lib.net...
I dare you to read it

Besides which the Serapeum at Saqquara is far too recent for you to claim an ancient lost race did it.

originally posted by: Drawsoho
That is not true that all of these processes have been reconstructed
and maybe none of them have.

If so prove it, provide pics and evidence they can make surfaces and
stones such as in the Serapeum. What tools have been found (dolomite
balls?) to make such a wonder? Dolomite balls and sand have been
debunked - in the Serapeum video, didn't you watch it?

I am not copying from elsewhere, every word is mine.

Admirethedistance - how was the glass like surface chiseled out?
Provide proof please.

a reply to: Marduk

Start your education here where archeologists have actually studied things like the sarcophagus in the great pyramid.


www.oocities.org...

Yes, dolomite balls could never have been used because there was not
enough space to use them. How were the boxes placed in such tight
quarters? And maneuvered in such tight spaces? How was the entire
complex carved out of bedrock? The video says the Serapeum is pre-dynastic,
and the amateur hieroglyphs on the 100 ton boxes were dynastic work. I
believe this is the case due to the evidence.

The reference book you posted was a study of how the ancients could have
made a single, small vase using sand, stone borers and copper borers. That
is a million miles away from producing even one 30 ton Serapeum lid with it's
flat, glass-like - surface and shape. Call Denny Stocks and ask for one of those.


a reply to: Marduk

It has been proven copper borer could not have produced that granite core
with tool marks on it as it was made with a high speed rotation impossible to
achieve with a copper tube. Also the pitch is very aggressive not done with a
soft metal like copper. There is a rumor that artifacts were found in
Petrie's basement. Here is one of them:



a reply to: dragonridr

originally posted by: Drawsoho
It has been proven copper borer could not have produced that granite core
with tool marks on it as it was made with a high speed rotation impossible to
achieve with a copper tube. There is a rumor that artifacts were found in
Petrie's basement. Here is one of them:

a reply to: dragonridr

That's actually from a well known hoax
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Serapeum was built by Khaemweset
So you have that completely wrong, of course in your world you need it to be predynastic don't you, which is why you have completely ignored the evidence of the date of its construction, you're a fringer after all

As for your claim that the book I linked you to just concerns vases, can you explain why the index is calling you a liar ?

Now here's a hint, why not study this subject from works by experts, rather than the work of idiots on youtube, worried that you might find something real ?

originally posted by: Drawsoho
It has been proven copper borer could not have produced that granite core
with tool marks on it as it was made with a high speed rotation impossible to
achieve with a copper tube. Also the pitch is very aggressive not done with a
soft metal like copper. There is a rumor that artifacts were found in
Petrie's basement. Here is one of them:

a reply to: dragonridr

Odd then how come they find copper in the bore holes. You should at least do research before you take some Web sites word for gospel

Yes there is more in the index I did not review.

The entire lives of Egyptologists are spent trying to show how
common methods and tools were used to create the pyramids,
temples and the alter at the red pyramid. The alter is 5 granite
blocks that are so closely arranged it cannot be easily detected.
The granite is super hard quartzite that had machine tool marks
on it, and bore holes.

The picture I said was Petrie's may not be his, a rumor, or it might
be legitimate. Unless someone can acquire it and test it the
question is moot.

Khaemweset may have built monuments but the Serapeum predates
him and the Egyptian Dynasties. I would like you to provide proof.
The markings on the boxes prove it was made before the Dynasties.
It was uncovered just within the past decades and probably was
hidden even at the dynastic times. The dynastic Egyptians dug it
up then reburied it for some reason. No bull mummy was ever
found there so why think bulls were the reason it was built?



a reply to: Marduk

Maybe they found some particles? Prove it.
Show the picture and archeologist statements.
Maybe copper was planted inside the bore holes
to prove them right.

a reply to: dragonridr

originally posted by: Drawsoho
Yes there is more in the index I did not review.

The entire lives of Egyptologists are spent trying to show how
common methods and tools were used to create the pyramids,
temples and the alter at the red pyramid. The alter is 5 granite
blocks that are so closely arranged it cannot be easily detected.
The granite is super hard quartzite that had machine tool marks
on it, and bore holes.

Its funny then that science has declared those same marks to be saw cuts

originally posted by: Drawsoho
The picture I said was Petrie's may not be his, a rumor, or it might
be legitimate. Unless someone can acquire it and test it the
question is moot.

I'm sure you'd like it to be moot, but everyone else here just saw you easily fooled by a hoax, and the fact that you didn't know it was a hoax, pretty much tells us that you are incapable of evaluating evidence.

originally posted by: Drawsoho
Khaemweset may have built monuments but the Serapeum predates
him and the Egyptian Dynasties. I would like you to provide proof.
The markings on the boxes prove it was made before the Dynasties.
It was uncovered just within the past decades and probably was
hidden even at the dynastic times. The dynastic Egyptians dug it
up then reburied it for some reason. No bull mummy was ever

Oh please, you are the one making the outrageous claim here, you need to back it up, not me. You know next to nothing about this culture, that is clearly apparent, so far two of your claims have been traced to a hoax and ancient Aliens, with a side helping of Graham Hancock, none of which are even qualified to make statements.
I wonder why you do and think you can get away with posting nonsense which has been dismissed here already about a thousand times.

You already asked for evidence, were shown the evidence and then lied about it, remember ?

Not a lie, an oversight. That device is not a proven hoax as no one
has seen in person. If it is any sort of evidence it will be shown after
it is evaluated. I never presented it as real.

Explain the megalithic temple with 65 ton block construction that was
recently dug up next to the other temple.

I think you are trying to wiggle out of the crux of the issue - can the
same work be reproduced today without modern tools, such as a
Serapeum box lid. I say it'd be Impossible.

Nonesense would include claims of aliens or magical stone work and
everything I have presented is physical evidence or logical theories.
I don't believe the ancient used common methods but if the ancient
stonework could be shown to be done that way, it could change my
mind.

If an until a Serapeum-like box lid is made that way or a stone dressed
in the style of Puma Punku I will continue to disbelieve what mainstream
science is saying about the artifacts in these places.






a reply to: Marduk

originally posted by: Drawsoho
Not a lie, an oversight. That device is not a proven hoax as no one
has seen in person. If it is any sort of evidence it will be shown after
it is evaluated. I never presented it as real.

It was a hoax four years ago, are you still waiting for the archaeological paper on the find, lolol

originally posted by: Drawsoho
Explain the megalithic temple with 65 ton block construction that was
recently dug up next to the other temple..

its a temple, did you ask a priest, there's this thing, its called "religion"

originally posted by: Drawsoho
I think you are trying to wiggle out of the crux of the issue - can the
same work be reproduced today without modern tools, such as a
Serapeum box lid. I say it'd be Impossible.

Its already been shown how the Egyptians did masonry, there are books out about it. The videos been posted about three times in this thread. Very surprising to find someone who is claiming that something couldn't be done that way when he is unaware of the existing proof that it was...

originally posted by: Drawsoho
Nonesense would include claims of aliens or magical stone work and
everything I have presented is physical evidence or logical theories.
I don't believe the ancient used common methods but if the ancient
stonework could be shown to be done that way, it could change my
mind.

So the reason you haven't done any research yourself is ???

originally posted by: Drawsoho

If an until a Serapeum-like box lid is made that way or a stone dressed
in the style of Puma Punku I will continue to disbelieve what mainstream
science is saying about the artifacts in these places.

That's great, but you have already shown that you don't know what science is saying about those sites and when offered the scientific proof of their construction, you ignored it. I'm getting the impression that its a waste of time talking to you, you don't know anything, won't acknowledge anything and pretty much all your claims are unoriginal...

BS: what science is saying about those sites and when offered the scientific
proof of their construction, you ignored it.

There is no proof dolomite balls, sand, copper tubes, chisels and punches ever
built the pyramids or the artifacts in Bolivia.

It is the machinations of the scientists to prove themselves right with small
scale experiments that are bound to succeed, such as Denny's vase.

As for your input it is disingenuous and partisan to the errant Egyptologists.
You have proven nothing and I know the Serapeum lid cannot be reproduced
with common hand tools and you do too. That is why you have avoided this
experiment because it would prove you wrong.


a reply to: Marduk

originally posted by: Drawsoho
BS: what science is saying about those sites and when offered the scientific
proof of their construction, you ignored it.

There is no proof dolomite balls, sand, copper tubes, chisels and punches ever
built the pyramids or the artifacts in Bolivia.

It is the machinations of the scientists to prove themselves right with small
scale experiments that are bound to succeed, such as Denny's vase.

As for your input it is disingenuous and partisan to the errant Egyptologists.
You have proven nothing and I know the Serapeum lid cannot be reproduced
with common hand tools and you do too. That is why you have avoided this
experiment because it would prove you wrong.


a reply to: Marduk

Ahhh so its all a conspiracy with science colluding with Egyptology
what a load of absolute bull#
You don't know what you're talking about, rather than actually taking the time to look at the actual evidence, you've gone with your imagination. You still seem to be stuck on vases, despite admitting you got that wrong you are now repeating that mistake
You presented a hoax as evidence
lol

a reply to: Drawsoho

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